Gymcels, what bodyfat% do you go between when bulking and cutting?

[Deleted member 3795]

Ogres IRL tell me that you have to go over 20% if you want to get really big but online I’ve read that you shouldn’t go past 15%

I want to cut down to 10% and then bulk to 15% and cut back down to 10 and do that over and over. Is this reasonable?
will I see gains from doing this or do I need to become a 20% bloatmaxxer when bulking?
I really don’t want to sacrifice my face too much for my mediocre body genetics.

 

[RichardSpencel]

25% year round,mire me

 

[Deleted member 3795]

25% year round,mire me

 

[Deleted member 1338]

ok boomer

 

[aestheticallypleasin]

Might as well rope if you go above 20%

 

[EasternRightWinger15]

bulking is cope, you will not gain that much more muscles than if you are constatly at maintenance or slight deficit, but also your face will look like shit just as added bonus

 

[Piro]

Get to about 10/12%, this way you can control your hunger (<8% is almost starvation, if you're not used to such a restricted eating you'd just suffer and probably would look like a skelly) then lean bulk all year round, having a slight cut before summer
People usually forget how much you can actually eat while lean bulking (and tbh it's way easier to maintain you diet, if you bulk too hard you probably would just get fat and take 2 years to get to a decent body)

If you can see your abs you're good.
If you know you'll go on a vacation to the sea, start cutting 1 month before at least (or asap if less)

The key is consistency, the more you cut/maintain/lean bulk the more you'll get used to this kind of instinctive eating

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Get to about 10/12%, this way you can control your hunger (<8% is almost starvation, if you're not used to such a restricted eating you'd just suffer and probably would look like a skelly) then lean bulk all year round, having a slight cut before summer
People usually forget how much you can actually eat while lean bulking (and tbh it's way easier to maintain you diet, if you bulk too hard you probably would just get fat and take 2 years to get to a decent body)

If you can see your abs you're good.
If you know you'll go on a vacation to the sea, start cutting 1 month before at least (or asap if less)

The key is consistency, the more you cut/maintain/lean bulk the more you'll get used to this kind of instinctive eating

If I start at 10% and I lean bulk all year round what bf% would I get to before I start cutting again?

 

[KingOfRome]

Either way works, but keep in mind if you get up to 20%, you'll have to diet either really hard or really long to get back to 10%.

If I lean bulk all year round what bf% would I get to before I start cutting again?

If you bulk for a whole year straight, you'll be lucky to not go over 20%.

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Either way works, but keep in mind if you get up to 20%, you'll have to diet either really hard or really long to get back to 10%.


If you bulk for a whole year straight, you'll be lucky to not go over 20%.

yeah I really don’t want to go beyond 15%

So 10 - 15% is doable forever then?

 

[KingOfRome]

yeah I really don’t want to go beyond 15%

So 10 - 15% is doable forever then?

Yes, it's doable. But you'll get to a point where you'll stop seeing a difference in your muscularity from the start of your last bulk to the end of your last cut. At that point, you should either maintain or inject.

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Yes, it's doable. But you'll get to a point where you'll stop seeing a difference in your muscularity from the start of your last bulk to the end of your last cut. At that point, you should either maintain or inject.

shit. When will that be? by maintain you mean continue lifting but not actually be able to go up in my lifts?
If I wanted to continue lifting natty and going up in my lifts what bf% would I have to get to then when bulking?
What about 10 - 18? I think that’s the fattest I’d want to go

 

[KingOfRome]

shit. When will that be? by maintain you mean continue lifting but not actually be able to go up in my lifts?
If I wanted to continue lifting natty and going up in my lifts what bf% would I have to get to then when bulking?
What about 10 - 18? I think that’s the fattest I’d want to go

Somewhere between your third and fifth year of lifting. Maybe even sooner if you lifted in the past and regained old muscle (much faster than gaining brand-new muscle). You can expect an FFMI somewhere around 22 if your genetics are average -- and if they're not, you'll know.

Your lifts can still go up slowly, but that will be due to improvements in your nervous system and connective tissue rather than your actual musculature.

A wider bf% range for cutting and bulking won't change your natural limit.

 

[FacialAesthetics]

Why the fuck would you even want to "bulk"? That's such a stupid meme. Girls like lean looking guys. You look best lean looking, not some big ogre. Why do you think those faggot miscers used to hate on Zyzz before his death? He wasn't "big looking", but he was cut as fuck. And they were jealous of how ridiculously lean he was, and how much pussy.

The dumbest thing you can ever do is bulk when you're already lean/cut and have muscle. It doesn't make any sense. The ONLY time I ever recommend anyone bulking is when you're a skinny subhuman with no muscle. Obviously you'll have to build muscle somehow, and the only way you can is by bulking, but once you bulk enough, and gain the muscle, you cut, and when your muscles do deflate a bit, you'll still look great lean and cut with muscles as opposed to some subhuman ogre.

This is what I did. Prior to my surgeries, even when I was a gymcel I got no attention from women when I was bulked. I only got attention from men. Once I got cut, and got lean, and got abs, and the Adonis Belt + my cheeks got a bit more hollow I did get more looks by women at the beach, and I did manage to fuck a 4/10 Latina even as a subhuman, because of my good body.

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Somewhere between your third and fifth year of lifting. Maybe even sooner if you lifted in the past and regained old muscle (much faster than gaining brand-new muscle). You can expect an FFMI somewhere around 22 if your genetics are average -- and if they're not, you'll know.

Your lifts can still go up slowly, but that will be due to improvements in your nervous system and connective tissue rather than your actual musculature.

A wider bf% range for cutting and bulking won't change your natural limit.

Ohh, so you mean that eventually I’ll just reach my genetic limit and before that 10 - 15 will work until it does happen?

tbh after 3 years of lifting I think I’ll have all the muscle I’ll ever need. And isn’t non-roided muscle growth very slow after 2 years or so?

 

[FacialAesthetics]

Don't become this retard. Went from Chad to Incel Gymcel. mUh BuLK

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What a retard.

 

[KingOfRome]

Ohh, so you mean that eventually I’ll just reach my genetic limit and before that 10 - 15 will work until it does happen?

tbh after 3 years of lifting I think I’ll have all the muscle I’ll ever need. And isn’t non-roided muscle growth very slow after 2 years or so?

It becomes painfully slow after 3 years and ceases pretty much entirely after 5. Even after 2, it's not great.

 

[BadaBing]

Never bulk it’s a meme

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Why the fuck would you even want to "bulk"? That's such a stupid meme. Girls like lean looking guys. You look best lean looking, not some big ogre. Why do you think those faggot miscers used to hate on Zyzz before his death? He wasn't "big looking", but he was cut as fuck. And they were jealous of how ridiculously lean he was, and how much pussy.

The dumbest thing you can ever do is bulk when you're already lean/cut and have muscle. It doesn't make any sense. The ONLY time I ever recommend anyone bulking is when you're a skinny subhuman with no muscle. Obviously you'll have to build muscle somehow, and the only way you can is by bulking, but once you bulk enough, and gain the muscle, you cut, and when your muscles do deflate a bit, you'll still look great lean and cut with muscles as opposed to some subhuman ogre.

This is what I did. Prior to my surgeries, even when I was a gymcel I got no attention from women when I was bulked. I only got attention from men. Once I got cut, and got lean, and got abs, and the Adonis Belt + my cheeks got a bit more hollow I did get more looks by women at the beach, and I did manage to fuck a 4/10 Latina even as a subhuman, because of my good body.

Well, like I said I only ever want to go up to 15% which isn't exactly fat. I'm at like 18 - 20% now and i'm fairly happy with my face. I always thought I was like 12%
I don't have the genetics to be an ogre, nor would I ever want to be one anyway.
My main goal is to have a TikTok type physique but still have more muscle than most of those guys do, so before I do that I will need to cut and bulk.
This is me right now:

I don't want my body to be constant rapefuel for faggots.

It becomes painfully slow after 3 years and ceases pretty much entirely after 5. Even after 2, it's not great.

Thanks bro. So sorry if i'm being really autistic but I always have to make sure I know everything 100% before I do something. So 10 - 15% will definitely be doable for at least 3 years of natty lifting for me? I won't have to go beyond it?

 

[Subhuman Philtrum]

Powerlifting is such a meme i'd rather be a lean mean mogging machine

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Never bulk it’s a meme

15% is still really lean so as long as I don't have to go beyond that i'm happy.

 

[KingOfRome]

My main goal is to have a TikTok type physique but still have more muscle than most of those guys do

Social media is mostly about lighting and camera tricks. You just have to be lean and muscular enough for those to work. A lean 3-year natty physique should be enough. You have a good enough base to work on.

Thanks bro. So sorry if i'm being really autistic but I always have to make sure I know everything 100% before I do something. So 10 - 15% will definitely be doable for at least 3 years of natty lifting for me? I won't have to go beyond it?

Probably not, no.

 

[Subhuman Philtrum]

in 3 years this should be easy to get or surpassable with average to good genetics

 

[eduardkoopman]

Don't become this retard. Went from Chad to Incel Gymcel. mUh BuLK

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What a retard.

very honest, real.

 

[Gosick]

Don't become this retard. Went from Chad to Incel Gymcel. mUh BuLK

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What a retard.

roid bloat

 

[Chad69]

No matter how hard I try to bulk Iam always getting leaner and leaner.Even at 15% body fat my veins are popping and my abs are visible when I flex

Anyone who knows the reason for this?

 

[KingOfRome]

roid bloat

Yes, roid bloat is all too real, and normies mistake it for fat because they think roids are magic muscle potions that turn you into Hulk Hogan after one injection, and water bloat really is hard to distinguish visually from fat. This is why posting pics of yourself when you're bloated on roids is a dumb idea.

No matter how hard I try to bulk Iam always getting leaner and leaner.Even at 15% body fat my veins are popping and my abs are visible when I flex

Anyone who knows the reason for this?

That's normal for 15% body fat. Go up to 20% and see how visible your abs still are.

 

[Chad69]

Yes, roid bloat is all too real, and normies mistake it for fat because they think roids are magic muscle potions that turn you into Hulk Hogan after one injection, and water bloat really is hard to distinguish visually from fat. This is why posting pics of yourself when you're bloated on roids is a dumb idea.


That's normal for 15% body fat. Go up to 20% and see how visible your abs still are.

I wish I could

I cant bulk up at all,Even if I eat fast food 24/7 I will still stay lean

 

[Deleted member 3795]

Yes, roid bloat is all too real, and normies mistake it for fat because they think roids are magic muscle potions that turn you into Hulk Hogan after one injection, and water bloat really is hard to distinguish visually from fat. This is why posting pics of yourself when you're bloated on roids is a dumb idea.


That's normal for 15% body fat. Go up to 20% and see how visible your abs still are.

Are abs still visible at 15% if you've never done any ab workouts before?

 

[KingOfRome]

I wish I could

I cant bulk up at all,Even if I eat fast food 24/7 I will still stay lean

Mirin those lean mean ectomorph genes.

Are abs still visible at 15% if you've never done any ab workouts before?

Even non-lifters see at least a tiny bit of ab at 15%. The abs are also like the forearms and calves in that they don't grow much from training.