Gymmaxxing is underrated. Less than 1% of guys on dating apps actually look muscular

[Deleted member 88653]

My Claim: If you get muscular you'll mog guys who are not, regardless of what their face looks like.

That's the reason why it's often recommended for guys to start lifting weights, because there are so few of us who are actually doing it properly and getting results from it that if you become muscular, you're only really competing against other muscular guys. However, it's not a matter of how muscular you are, there comes a point where gaining more muscle isn't going to make much of a difference and that is usually the threshold:

However, it takes years of consistent training to get to that level, so it's not like you can just commit to it for a few months, get big and suddenly start hooking up with as many women as you like, you actually have to commit years of your life where you're not getting much success in dating and do what many on here call "gymcelling" and once you get to a point where you look big both shirtless and in clothes, then you just capitalize on that success and you become a chick magnet.

For 100 men aged 18-25 on Tinder, less than 1% of them have a physique like those 3 pictures, some may be slightly muscular but on average, they're either fat or skinny or average, less than 1% of them actually look very muscular. So, when you get to that point, you're only competing against the top 1% of men, that means Tinder suddenly becomes extremely easy for you. By the way, I didn't invent this 1% number, I made a fake girl profile with pics from a hot girl (Stacy) match I made in eastern europe (with the passport feature), I basically copied her profile and I swiped on over 1000 guys, and out of 100 guys, it was at most 1 muscular guy.

Obviously, if you have this physique and on top of that you actually look like a handsome hollywood actor, you'll get swiped right on nearly all women, but it's not necessary to have a handsome face to get matches because there are such few men on dating apps who have a good physique. I remember a while back, an incel by the name of fraudanalyser (who has since deleted his channel after being doxxed), made a Tinder experiment using a fitness youtuber named Alex Leonidas, this guy:

For the Tinder experiment, his height of 5'5" was frauded at 5'11" but everything else stayed the same and I kid you not, this guy actually got a lot of matches in just 24 hours, way more matches than most men get on Tinder, and it wasn't even a verified profile and it still got a lot of likes from women and many of them were way better looking in the face than he is. If this guy can get matches, then so can you, if you get muscular.

 

[6PSLcel]

pretty sure someone debunked the alex leonidas tinder experiment on here a few months back

 

[YungTrappa]

pretty sure someone debunked the alex leonidas tinder experiment on here a few months back

Jfl at your avi. Imagine looking like that at 16

 

[6PSLcel]

Jfl at your avi. Imagine looking like that at 16

fr man

 

[dookielooksmaxxer]

david laid pill.

Tbh as long as you dont got bad genes/bad muscle insertions you could pull it off well.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

pretty sure someone debunked the alex leonidas tinder experiment on here a few months back

Whether it's real or not, what I can tell you is I know a guy who used to be fat and had no matches on tinder who got muscular by really gymcelling for 2-3 years, and then when he returned to Tinder, he was so successful that nearly every swipe right was a match, he had accumulated hundreds of likes in a short time and was using Tinder gold to filter them. Of course, he was also like 6'2" and he attributed most of his success to that, but personally as someone who has been 6'4" since 16 years old (for 10 years), I can tell you, height doesn't do much for you on dating apps, it did not give me many matches.

Muscles really change the game for guys on dating apps. It's literally the female equivalent of guys finding big boobs and big butts attractive. If you look muscular, you trigger an instinctive response that makes them attracted to you. Not all of them, but the vast majority.

By the way, the guy I'm talking about, he was not a male model, he was just an average guy, but he had a physique with a well built upper body: Thick neck, big shoulders, big arms, big chest, and his frame was not even wide, but he looked muscular, and most importantly, he had defined abs in shirtless pics. That's literally all you need, a big upper body with defined abs and you can mog 99% of men on dating apps.

 

[6PSLcel]

Whether it's real or not, what I can tell you is I know a guy who used to be fat and had no matches on tinder who got muscular by really gymcelling for 2-3 years, and then when he returned to Tinder, he was so successful that nearly every swipe right was a match, he had accumulated hundreds of likes in a short time and was using Tinder gold to filter them. Of course, he was also like 6'2" and he attributed most of his success to that, but personally as someone who has been 6'4" since 16 years old (for 10 years), I can tell you, height doesn't do much for you on dating apps, it did not give me many matches.

Muscles really change the game for guys on dating apps. It's literally the female equivalent of guys finding big boobs and big butts attractive. If you look muscular, you trigger an instinctive response that makes them attracted to you. Not all of them, but the vast majority.

By the way, the guy I'm talking about, he was not a male model, he was just an average guy, but he had a physique with a well built upper body: Thick neck, big shoulders, big arms, big chest, and his frame was not even wide, but he looked muscular, and most importantly, he had defined abs in shirtless pics. That's literally all you need, a big upper body with defined abs and you can mog 99% of men on dating apps.

i know height doesnt do shit nigga, otherwise i wouldnt be on here, it's about the face

 

[Deleted member 88653]

david laid pill.

Tbh as long as you dont got bad genes/bad muscle insertions you could pull it off well.

David Laid has pretty boy genetics for looks in the face, it's not the best example. I've known guys who are average looking in the face who had such great physiques that women wanted to sleep with them because of it. A friend of mine once got asked by a former classmate of his from high school if he would be interested in cuckolding him by fucking his girlfriend in front of him. And this was after my friend had lost his abs and gone up to like 275 lbs at 6'5", he is like 25-30% body fat but with a very muscular physique and girls still find him attractive. One other time, we went to a bar and there was an older woman in her 30s checking him out and giving him "down to fuck" looks while she was with her boyfriend/husband and my friend is overweight, but he has so much muscle mass, that girls find this attractive.

I'm telling you, guys keep talking about male vs female gaze and needing to be lean all the time but most women don't care if you have abs except on social media and in shirtless pics. And the more fat you have on your frame, the bigger you look, up to a certain point. But basically, if you go for a fluffier look but with a filled out frame, you can look massive and you're going to be more attractive than if you were skinny and lean.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

i know height doesnt do shit nigga, otherwise i wouldnt be on here, it's about the face

It's actually muscles first and foremost, height second, and then face, if you at least rank as a normie without muscles.

A 6'4" 225 lb 10% body fat guy will mog a 5'10 170 lb 10% body fat guy because of the sheer difference in muscle mass.

But a 5'10" 170 lb guy 10% body fat guy will mog a 6'4" 170 lb 10% body fat guy because he will look a lot more muscular and he will also be stronger than the 6'4" guy.

Being taller gives you superior muscular potential but on its own it doesn't do much against a gymmaxxed shorter guy.

 

[6PSLcel]

It's actually muscles first and foremost, height second, and then face, if you at least rank as a normie without muscles.

A 6'4" 225 lb 10% body fat guy will mog a 5'10 170 lb 10% body fat guy because of the sheer difference in muscle mass.

But a 5'10" 170 lb guy 10% body fat guy will mog a 6'4" 170 lb 10% body fat guy because he will look a lot more muscular and he will also be stronger than the 6'4" guy.

Being taller gives you superior muscular potential but on its own it doesn't do much against a gymmaxxed shorter guy.

id trade in 9 inches of height to be htn, height is complete and utter cope unless ur 6'8+ and can run basketball halo niche

"muscles first" low effort dude

 

[Jonas2k7]

It's actually muscles first and foremost, height second, and then face, if you at least rank as a normie without muscles.

A 6'4" 225 lb 10% body fat guy will mog a 5'10 170 lb 10% body fat guy because of the sheer difference in muscle mass.

But a 5'10" 170 lb guy 10% body fat guy will mog a 6'4" 170 lb 10% body fat guy because he will look a lot more muscular and he will also be stronger than the 6'4" guy.

Being taller gives you superior muscular potential but on its own it doesn't do much against a gymmaxxed shorter guy.

Taller people are stronger then shorter people without even training (only if the other guy trained maximum 1 year). I've got a 6'6 guy that destroys everyone in arm wrestling because of his size and idk why he is stronger. I'm stronger than him still, but he mogs almost anyone in my class.

 

[cashmerefraud]

water

 

[Deleted member 88653]

id trade in 9 inches of height to be htn, height is complete and utter cope unless ur 6'8+ and can run basketball halo niche

"muscles first" low effort dude

Basketball players are actually very lanky and have small muscles. It's only beneficial if you're a NBA player but the chances of that are even lower than being a good NHL player or any other national professional sports league.

Let me tell you what happens when you're tall and built like a twink. Gays want to fuck you, women assume you're gay or nerdy and most want nothing to do with you, regardless of how pretty your face looks. Gays are attracted by pretty faces, women are attracted by masculine bodies, that's the difference. Gays also appreciate masculine bodies but they're more likely to be intimidated by them, while if they see a tall skinny guy, they automatically assume it's a gay bottom who they can stick their dick in. I never reciprocate their advances, but I'm just saying that as a skinny guy, it has happened a lot that I was approached by strangers who were gay, some even pretended they just wanted to be friends and didn't look gay at first, and it's very predatory behaviour.

The irony is I went on this site 4 years ago and people were telling me I was low tier normie, but gay guys left and right are telling me I'm hot, good looking, handsome and so on. The thing is, when you're skinny, people automatically assume you're feminine and submissive. I've had gays tell me that based on my body shape, I'm definitely a bottom, which is completely false. They just assume because I'm skinny.

And if they are assuming this, the odds that women are thinking the same too are actually very high. The only way to prevent this is to get so muscular that people cannot think of you as anyone other than someone who is very dominant and extremely masculine and strong. That's why for many of us, getting muscular is not a choice, it's an obligation. You either get muscular or continue to be viewed as not masculine enough.

 

[6PSLcel]

Basketball players are actually very lanky and have small muscles. It's only beneficial if you're a NBA player but the chances of that are even lower than being a good NHL player or any other national professional sports league.

Let me tell you what happens when you're tall and built like a twink. Gays want to fuck you, women assume you're gay or nerdy and most want nothing to do with you, regardless of how pretty your face looks. Gays are attracted by pretty faces, women are attracted by masculine bodies, that's the difference. Gays also appreciate masculine bodies but they're more likely to be intimidated by them, while if they see a tall skinny guy, they automatically assume it's a gay bottom who they can stick their dick in. I never reciprocate their advances, but I'm just saying that as a skinny guy, it has happened a lot that I was approached by strangers who were gay, some even pretended they just wanted to be friends and didn't look gay at first, and it's very predatory behaviour.

The irony is I went on this site 4 years ago and people were telling me I was low tier normie, but gay guys left and right are telling me I'm hot, good looking, handsome and so on. The thing is, when you're skinny, people automatically assume you're feminine and submissive. I've had gays tell me that based on my body shape, I'm definitely a bottom, which is completely false. They just assume because I'm skinny.

And if they are assuming this, the odds that women are thinking the same too are actually very high. The only way to prevent this is to get so muscular that people cannot think of you as anyone other than someone who is very dominant and extremely masculine and strong. That's why for many of us, getting muscular is not a choice, it's an obligation. You either get muscular or continue to be viewed as not masculine enough.

just getting jacked and being masc will get you used up roasties, we looksmaxx for fertile cuties

 

[Deleted member 88653]

just getting jacked and being masc will get you used up roasties, we looksmaxx for fertile cuties

Untrue, most women are attracted to muscular physiques. Muscles on a man are the equivalent of wide hips, big butt and big boobs on a woman, they are signs of fertility and health, and trigger an biological instinct to reproduce and they also make the man look like he can dominate in the bedroom and protect her against other men, and overall they make you look more masculine.

I notice you wrote: 195cm/6'5 21.5 inch bidelt, natty, 19yrs old.

What about your weight and waist size?

 

[6PSLcel]

Untrue, most women are attracted to muscular physiques. Muscles on a man are the equivalent of wide hips, big butt and big boobs on a woman, they are signs of fertility and health, and trigger an biological instinct to reproduce and they also make the man look like he can dominate in the bedroom and protect her against other men, and overall they make you look more masculine.

I notice you wrote: 195cm/6'5 21.5 inch bidelt, natty, 19yrs old.

What about your weight and waist size?

im 225 lbs rn, ffmi of 21.5, waiting for test e to arrive, waist im not sure, but when i was 15% body fat years ago now my hips were normal, not wide nor thin

 

[iblamezero]

 

[Foreverbrad]

Gymmaxxing is full of unrealistic expectations.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

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2 major issues with this picture.

1) You have a guy who is not even that muscular
2) His looks in the face are far below average

If you take an average guy, get him to this level of muscle mass:

Then he will look great. By the way, first picture is 13% body fat probably, and second is probably like 16-17% and it still looks great.

The guy in the picture you posted is like 10% body fat. That's why he looks so small, that and his muscles are barely even developed.

The only strong arguments against lifting weights are always involving people going to the extremes.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

Gymmaxxing is full of unrealistic expectations.

Yeah definitely. Guys think they can get their dream physique in 1 year, or nowadays, in like 3-6 months.

The truth is muscle growth is a slow process, and it doesn't really occur very well when you don't even know what you're doing. So a lot of guys spend years trying to find answers on how to train properly, and when they finally do, they progress at such a snail's pace that they get discouraged and quit. Most of the guys you see on youtube, even the natural lifters who really are natural, they have good genetics, or they have been training for 10+ years with bad genetics.

I remember when I was 18 and I wanted to look like Stephen Amell in Arrow by the time I turned 20, but I did not even train with high volume, I was not even consistent, and I didn't do things properly and I was not on a proper bulk, so of course that never happened. Instead, it took me 8 years to get to a physique like this:

But still, that is way above average, so I'm still proud of my progress but with the information I have now and the home gym setup I have managed to get, I would have gotten way more results if I had that 8 years ago. Still, most guys don't even lift, let alone for 8 years without quitting so I'm glad I stuck to it and that I didn't give up.

 

[actualunderstander]

Of course brother. Truths right here. You DONT want to get too ripped and big. People make the mistake of being fools and using roids and spend years to look like an obvious roided out meathead. That's not how you wanna look, unless your job requires you to be big and strong like a bouncer. But for aesthetic purposes, natty gains are the best.

You don't wanna get too lean , or too big. 12% bodyfat as a natty with 1/2/3/4 muscle mass is all you need really. It also looks the best. Looking huge is fun if you're an athlete and play sports or again your job requires it, but for the average joe, people can biologically sense when your roided out and subconsciously signals to them you're a vain, insecure meathead. Non of the most successful men, or men who get a ton of chicks that I know are roided out meatheads. Unless you're doing it cause you like how it looks, then don't do it..natty lift, eat well and lift for 2 years consistently, stay relatively lean (flat stomach or abs) don't bother getting shredded and you'll be a better looking version of yourself.

 

[iblamezero]

2 major issues with this picture.

1) You have a guy who is not even that muscular
2) His looks in the face are far below average

If you take an average guy, get him to this level of muscle mass:
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Then he will look great. By the way, first picture is 13% body fat probably, and second is probably like 16-17% and it still looks great.

The guy in the picture you posted is like 10% body fat. That's why he looks so small, that and his muscles are barely even developed.

The only strong arguments against lifting weights are always involving people going to the extremes.

Read your second point since face > body

 

[Deleted member 88653]

Read your second point since face > body

My point is, people who say it's all about the face have never experienced themselves what it's like to be muscular and to have women all over you trying to date you. Sure, if your face looks good, it's better but if you only worry about your face, and say that you don't have to lift because "it's all about the face bro", then at best, you'll be like Timothée Chalamet, boyish looks, no muscle mass and nobody will ever take you seriously. That can work in the modelling industry but most women are not attracted to boyish looks past the age of 16-18.

The best thing a straight guy with a "prettyboy" face can do is get muscular so people don't assume he is gay, that is essentially what David Laid did and it worked, he then had plenty of women going up to him asking for selfies and probably asking for his number too, if he just had the face, he wouldn't get nearly as much attention.

I'm not saying muscles will make any guy able to attract most women, I'm just saying muscles command respect, and they allow you to attract more women than you normally would. Take an ugly skinny guy who gets maybe 5 likes on Tinder when they join, get them very muscular and show it off in pics properly, and you'll more than quadruple their number of Tinder likes. Nothing else can achieve this.

 

[caiolindo]

My Claim: If you get muscular you'll mog guys who are not, regardless of what their face looks like.

That's the reason why it's often recommended for guys to start lifting weights, because there are so few of us who are actually doing it properly and getting results from it that if you become muscular, you're only really competing against other muscular guys. However, it's not a matter of how muscular you are, there comes a point where gaining more muscle isn't going to make much of a difference and that is usually the threshold:

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However, it takes years of consistent training to get to that level, so it's not like you can just commit to it for a few months, get big and suddenly start hooking up with as many women as you like, you actually have to commit years of your life where you're not getting much success in dating and do what many on here call "gymcelling" and once you get to a point where you look big both shirtless and in clothes, then you just capitalize on that success and you become a chick magnet.

For 100 men aged 18-25 on Tinder, less than 1% of them have a physique like those 3 pictures, some may be slightly muscular but on average, they're either fat or skinny or average, less than 1% of them actually look very muscular. So, when you get to that point, you're only competing against the top 1% of men, that means Tinder suddenly becomes extremely easy for you. By the way, I didn't invent this 1% number, I made a fake girl profile with pics from a hot girl (Stacy) match I made in eastern europe (with the passport feature), I basically copied her profile and I swiped on over 1000 guys, and out of 100 guys, it was at most 1 muscular guy.

Obviously, if you have this physique and on top of that you actually look like a handsome hollywood actor, you'll get swiped right on nearly all women, but it's not necessary to have a handsome face to get matches because there are such few men on dating apps who have a good physique. I remember a while back, an incel by the name of fraudanalyser (who has since deleted his channel after being doxxed), made a Tinder experiment using a fitness youtuber named Alex Leonidas, this guy:

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For the Tinder experiment, his height of 5'5" was frauded at 5'11" but everything else stayed the same and I kid you not, this guy actually got a lot of matches in just 24 hours, way more matches than most men get on Tinder, and it wasn't even a verified profile and it still got a lot of likes from women and many of them were way better looking in the face than he is. If this guy can get matches, then so can you, if you get muscular.

Tom Welling fan detected

 

[GigaRetard]

Basketball players are actually very lanky and have small muscles. It's only beneficial if you're a NBA player but the chances of that are even lower than being a good NHL player or any other national professional sports league.

Let me tell you what happens when you're tall and built like a twink. Gays want to fuck you, women assume you're gay or nerdy and most want nothing to do with you, regardless of how pretty your face looks. Gays are attracted by pretty faces, women are attracted by masculine bodies, that's the difference. Gays also appreciate masculine bodies but they're more likely to be intimidated by them, while if they see a tall skinny guy, they automatically assume it's a gay bottom who they can stick their dick in. I never reciprocate their advances, but I'm just saying that as a skinny guy, it has happened a lot that I was approached by strangers who were gay, some even pretended they just wanted to be friends and didn't look gay at first, and it's very predatory behaviour.

The irony is I went on this site 4 years ago and people were telling me I was low tier normie, but gay guys left and right are telling me I'm hot, good looking, handsome and so on. The thing is, when you're skinny, people automatically assume you're feminine and submissive. I've had gays tell me that based on my body shape, I'm definitely a bottom, which is completely false. They just assume because I'm skinny.

And if they are assuming this, the odds that women are thinking the same too are actually very high. The only way to prevent this is to get so muscular that people cannot think of you as anyone other than someone who is very dominant and extremely masculine and strong. That's why for many of us, getting muscular is not a choice, it's an obligation. You either get muscular or continue to be viewed as not masculine enough.

Suprised you haven't roped yet.

 

[RoyaleWithCheese]

Good thread

 

[GigaRetard]

Of course brother. Truths right here. You DONT want to get too ripped and big. People make the mistake of being fools and using roids and spend years to look like an obvious roided out meathead. That's not how you wanna look, unless your job requires you to be big and strong like a bouncer. But for aesthetic purposes, natty gains are the best.

You don't wanna get too lean , or too big. 12% bodyfat as a natty with 1/2/3/4 muscle mass is all you need really. It also looks the best. Looking huge is fun if you're an athlete and play sports or again your job requires it, but for the average joe, people can biologically sense when your roided out and subconsciously signals to them you're a vain, insecure meathead. Non of the most successful men, or men who get a ton of chicks that I know are roided out meatheads. Unless you're doing it cause you like how it looks, then don't do it..natty lift, eat well and lift for 2 years consistently, stay relatively lean (flat stomach or abs) don't bother getting shredded and you'll be a better looking version of yourself.

Based.

 

[Detective]

Mostly cope without height

 

[sb23]

My Claim: If you get muscular you'll mog guys who are not, regardless of what their face looks like.

That's the reason why it's often recommended for guys to start lifting weights, because there are so few of us who are actually doing it properly and getting results from it that if you become muscular, you're only really competing against other muscular guys. However, it's not a matter of how muscular you are, there comes a point where gaining more muscle isn't going to make much of a difference and that is usually the threshold:

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However, it takes years of consistent training to get to that level, so it's not like you can just commit to it for a few months, get big and suddenly start hooking up with as many women as you like, you actually have to commit years of your life where you're not getting much success in dating and do what many on here call "gymcelling" and once you get to a point where you look big both shirtless and in clothes, then you just capitalize on that success and you become a chick magnet.

For 100 men aged 18-25 on Tinder, less than 1% of them have a physique like those 3 pictures, some may be slightly muscular but on average, they're either fat or skinny or average, less than 1% of them actually look very muscular. So, when you get to that point, you're only competing against the top 1% of men, that means Tinder suddenly becomes extremely easy for you. By the way, I didn't invent this 1% number, I made a fake girl profile with pics from a hot girl (Stacy) match I made in eastern europe (with the passport feature), I basically copied her profile and I swiped on over 1000 guys, and out of 100 guys, it was at most 1 muscular guy.

Obviously, if you have this physique and on top of that you actually look like a handsome hollywood actor, you'll get swiped right on nearly all women, but it's not necessary to have a handsome face to get matches because there are such few men on dating apps who have a good physique. I remember a while back, an incel by the name of fraudanalyser (who has since deleted his channel after being doxxed), made a Tinder experiment using a fitness youtuber named Alex Leonidas, this guy:

View attachment 3120830

For the Tinder experiment, his height of 5'5" was frauded at 5'11" but everything else stayed the same and I kid you not, this guy actually got a lot of matches in just 24 hours, way more matches than most men get on Tinder, and it wasn't even a verified profile and it still got a lot of likes from women and many of them were way better looking in the face than he is. If this guy can get matches, then so can you, if you get muscular.

 

[GreekGenes]

no body will ever compensate for a below average face, ever ever. case closed

 

[Jonas2k7]

no body will ever compensate for a below average face, ever ever. case closed

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This guy isn't compensating for his face tho, he created a whole ass body failo

Gymcelling is real and works a bit

 

[lestoa]

roids or death

 

[Deleted member 88653]

no body will ever compensate for a below average face, ever ever. case closed

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2 extreme examples. First of all, nobody is ever going to get as big as the guy in the 2nd picture. What you're looking at is tons of photoshop and also a lot of synthol.

Here are a few average men who gymmaxxed, do you really think they would struggle to get laid on dating apps? I don't think so.

Ideally you want both the face and body to be top tier but if your face is average and your body is top tier, you'll either be HTN or Chad. All those physiques are natural by the way, that's why they don't look weird or disgusting.

However, most of those men have put over 10 years into lifting so it's not like you can look like that at just 18 years old. If you start lifting at 15, you can get close to your full muscular potential at 25 if you do things right. Ultimately though the amount of time required to get a physique that is appealing to women would be 3-4 years of bulking (with 3-4 months of cutting per 1-2 years so around 5-6 years total).

Also, generally, as a man, just being muscular isn't going to cut it, so you also need a decent career, it doesn't have to be anything too crazy that makes you millions of dollars though, but it will set you apart from the guys who make close to minimum wage. Most women look at the job title on dating apps as much as they look at your pictures. If you're good looking but broke, you're not going to do very well, especially if you're in your mid to late 20s or worse, in your 30s or older.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

People think this is the cutoff point for what women find attractive and that after that, it's all about the face:

The truth is, when you're that skinny, nobody can tell that you lift when you wear clothes, and many women still won't consider this to be a muscular look. Otter mode tends to attract a lot more gay men. In my experience, women prefer a fluffier look where you don't necessarily have abs but you have lots of muscle mass and don't look too fat.

 

[JOJOcelReturns]

2 extreme examples. First of all, nobody is ever going to get as big as the guy in the 2nd picture. What you're looking at is tons of photoshop and also a lot of synthol.

Here are a few average men who gymmaxxed, do you really think they would struggle to get laid on dating apps? I don't think so.

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Ideally you want both the face and body to be top tier but if your face is average and your body is top tier, you'll either be HTN or Chad. All those physiques are natural by the way, that's why they don't look weird or disgusting.

However, most of those men have put over 10 years into lifting so it's not like you can look like that at just 18 years old. If you start lifting at 15, you can get close to your full muscular potential at 25 if you do things right. Ultimately though the amount of time required to get a physique that is appealing to women would be 3-4 years of bulking (with 3-4 months of cutting per 1-2 years so around 5-6 years total).

Also, generally, as a man, just being muscular isn't going to cut it, so you also need a decent career, it doesn't have to be anything too crazy that makes you millions of dollars though, but it will set you apart from the guys who make close to minimum wage. Most women look at the job title on dating apps as much as they look at your pictures. If you're good looking but broke, you're not going to do very well, especially if you're in your mid to late 20s or worse, in your 30s or older.

None of them are fulltime naturals, you are a fool. If you want to argue first post your physique.

 

[AscensionMan98]

My Claim: If you get muscular you'll mog guys who are not, regardless of what their face looks like.

That's the reason why it's often recommended for guys to start lifting weights, because there are so few of us who are actually doing it properly and getting results from it that if you become muscular, you're only really competing against other muscular guys. However, it's not a matter of how muscular you are, there comes a point where gaining more muscle isn't going to make much of a difference and that is usually the threshold:

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However, it takes years of consistent training to get to that level, so it's not like you can just commit to it for a few months, get big and suddenly start hooking up with as many women as you like, you actually have to commit years of your life where you're not getting much success in dating and do what many on here call "gymcelling" and once you get to a point where you look big both shirtless and in clothes, then you just capitalize on that success and you become a chick magnet.

For 100 men aged 18-25 on Tinder, less than 1% of them have a physique like those 3 pictures, some may be slightly muscular but on average, they're either fat or skinny or average, less than 1% of them actually look very muscular. So, when you get to that point, you're only competing against the top 1% of men, that means Tinder suddenly becomes extremely easy for you. By the way, I didn't invent this 1% number, I made a fake girl profile with pics from a hot girl (Stacy) match I made in eastern europe (with the passport feature), I basically copied her profile and I swiped on over 1000 guys, and out of 100 guys, it was at most 1 muscular guy.

Obviously, if you have this physique and on top of that you actually look like a handsome hollywood actor, you'll get swiped right on nearly all women, but it's not necessary to have a handsome face to get matches because there are such few men on dating apps who have a good physique. I remember a while back, an incel by the name of fraudanalyser (who has since deleted his channel after being doxxed), made a Tinder experiment using a fitness youtuber named Alex Leonidas, this guy:

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For the Tinder experiment, his height of 5'5" was frauded at 5'11" but everything else stayed the same and I kid you not, this guy actually got a lot of matches in just 24 hours, way more matches than most men get on Tinder, and it wasn't even a verified profile and it still got a lot of likes from women and many of them were way better looking in the face than he is. If this guy can get matches, then so can you, if you get muscular.

The experiment was real but JFL if you think most men are going to get Alex Body at heights of 180cm/5ft 11 or taller easily. Your going to need elite tier genetics to get to that level at even higher body fat level of Alex, and the same body fat probably only possible for West Africans and Maybe dutch and germans.

Also the tinder experiment was done a while ago, and tinder and other OLD has gotten significantly worse.

For most men it won't be possible natty, will take a dose of like 200-300mg of test and years of training.

You just think the average gym cel is going to get this physique at heights above 5ft 11, when in reality its like a top 5% body.

The good news is though his physique is possible on a few years on medium doses of gear. Even the zyzz body In his early years, so 2009-early 2010, not when he was more bulked is possible on a normal dose of steroids

 

[Deleted member 88653]

The experiment was real but JFL if you think most men are going to get Alex Body at heights of 180cm/5ft 11 or taller easily. Your going to need elite tier genetics to get to that level at even higher body fat level of Alex, and the same body fat probably only possible for West Africans and Maybe dutch and germans.

Also the tinder experiment was done a while ago, and tinder and other OLD has gotten significantly worse.

For most men it won't be possible natty, will take a dose of like 200-300mg of test and years of training.

You just think the average gym cel is going to get this physique at heights above 5ft 11, when in reality its like a top 5% body.

The good news is though his physique is possible on a few years on medium doses of gear. Even the zyzz body In his early years, so 2009-early 2010, not when he was more bulked is possible on a normal dose of steroids

It's sad how low people's standards have gotten in terms of what is achievable naturally.

You wouldn't believe how big I have gotten since deleting my account on here 2 years ago. On pics though, it's less noticeable but in front of the mirror, the difference is huge. I got 3D delts natty and I cant even OHP 1 plate per side.

 

[Deleted member 14699]

2 extreme examples. First of all, nobody is ever going to get as big as the guy in the 2nd picture. What you're looking at is tons of photoshop and also a lot of synthol.

Here are a few average men who gymmaxxed, do you really think they would struggle to get laid on dating apps? I don't think so.

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Ideally you want both the face and body to be top tier but if your face is average and your body is top tier, you'll either be HTN or Chad. All those physiques are natural by the way, that's why they don't look weird or disgusting.

However, most of those men have put over 10 years into lifting so it's not like you can look like that at just 18 years old. If you start lifting at 15, you can get close to your full muscular potential at 25 if you do things right. Ultimately though the amount of time required to get a physique that is appealing to women would be 3-4 years of bulking (with 3-4 months of cutting per 1-2 years so around 5-6 years total).

Also, generally, as a man, just being muscular isn't going to cut it, so you also need a decent career, it doesn't have to be anything too crazy that makes you millions of dollars though, but it will set you apart from the guys who make close to minimum wage. Most women look at the job title on dating apps as much as they look at your pictures. If you're good looking but broke, you're not going to do very well, especially if you're in your mid to late 20s or worse, in your 30s or older.

alex leonidas and jeff nippard are manlets

 

[hekch]

goated man, gym is underrated a lot of the time

 

[Lurkerslep]

Gym is literally main stream right now so how the fuck is it underrated. It's so popular that I'd estimate 50% of all males 18-30 in commercial gyms are taking shit. I hear 18-22 yr olds talking about sarms all the time in the gym and they look natural.

 

[vratisevojvodo]

back when gym was better without retarded "muhh we go gymm" kids

 

[ferbite666]

My Claim: If you get muscular you'll mog guys who are not, regardless of what their face looks like.

That's the reason why it's often recommended for guys to start lifting weights, because there are so few of us who are actually doing it properly and getting results from it that if you become muscular, you're only really competing against other muscular guys. However, it's not a matter of how muscular you are, there comes a point where gaining more muscle isn't going to make much of a difference and that is usually the threshold:

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However, it takes years of consistent training to get to that level, so it's not like you can just commit to it for a few months, get big and suddenly start hooking up with as many women as you like, you actually have to commit years of your life where you're not getting much success in dating and do what many on here call "gymcelling" and once you get to a point where you look big both shirtless and in clothes, then you just capitalize on that success and you become a chick magnet.

For 100 men aged 18-25 on Tinder, less than 1% of them have a physique like those 3 pictures, some may be slightly muscular but on average, they're either fat or skinny or average, less than 1% of them actually look very muscular. So, when you get to that point, you're only competing against the top 1% of men, that means Tinder suddenly becomes extremely easy for you. By the way, I didn't invent this 1% number, I made a fake girl profile with pics from a hot girl (Stacy) match I made in eastern europe (with the passport feature), I basically copied her profile and I swiped on over 1000 guys, and out of 100 guys, it was at most 1 muscular guy.

Obviously, if you have this physique and on top of that you actually look like a handsome hollywood actor, you'll get swiped right on nearly all women, but it's not necessary to have a handsome face to get matches because there are such few men on dating apps who have a good physique. I remember a while back, an incel by the name of fraudanalyser (who has since deleted his channel after being doxxed), made a Tinder experiment using a fitness youtuber named Alex Leonidas, this guy:

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For the Tinder experiment, his height of 5'5" was frauded at 5'11" but everything else stayed the same and I kid you not, this guy actually got a lot of matches in just 24 hours, way more matches than most men get on Tinder, and it wasn't even a verified profile and it still got a lot of likes from women and many of them were way better looking in the face than he is. If this guy can get matches, then so can you, if you get muscular.

W post. Dudes will say the market is saturated with gym bros after the pandemic when in reality, most “gym bros” just have newbie gains. It’s still rare to see an intermediate/advanced lifter type of physique IRL or on dating apps.

 

[Unalive]

This is not really proof-of-concept for gymcelling, but more proof of the importance of height. Muscles are a good halo, but you got to be in the 1% to see anything from girls. Like none of these physiques are enough to boost a man. People don't understand hard limits. You can't have uneven abs. You can't be on the skinny side. You can't be veiny. You must have small nipples. Just too much bullshit. Same thing with the face.