Hair follicle sensitivity to DHT doesn't exist!

[Deleted member 1100]

 

[Deleted member 2756]

@Goblin

 

[Ethnicope]

finasteride

 

[Deleted member 1464]

Reminder: OP is trying to regrow his subhuman hair follicles with daily scalp massages.

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Reminder: OP is trying to regrow his subhuman hair follicles with daily scalp massages.

Reminder microneedling doesn't change DHT levels but still stimulates hair regrowth

 

[onnysk]

 

[Deleted member 1464]

Reminder microneedling doesn't change DHT levels but still stimulates hair regrowth

Guess I'll throw my finasteride in the bin then.... DO BOTH.

Reminder #2:

My hair feels thicker on nofap and almost all shedding ends

@Lifeisgood72 thinks nofap is regrowing his hair.

Honestly...

 

[JustTrynaGrow]

Reminder microneedling doesn't change DHT levels but still stimulates hair regrowth

what about hair loss?

 

[Deleted member 1464]

Blast your system with anavar and tren.
Lets see what happens.

 

[Deleted member 2756]

don't worry op, you'll be smashing dutasteride at Norwood 3 after years of scalp massaging and vitamin supplementation.

 

[RAITEIII]

I wish u were right so I can hormone maxx at peace.

I notice that the top of my scalp is becoming tighter.

 

[currymax]

Reminder microneedling doesn't change DHT levels but still stimulates hair regrowth

subhuman thought processes

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Guess I'll throw my finasteride in the bin then.... DO BOTH.

Reminder #2:

@Lifeisgood72 thinks nofap is regrowing his hair.

Honestly...

unless fapping makes you go zinc deficient he's just coping like all other copes he uses

 

[Deleted member 3990]

Reminder microneedling doesn't change DHT levels but still stimulates hair regrowth

PGE, PGD and fibrosis

 

[Deleted member 1100]

what about hair loss?

That's exactly what I'm saying, Red LED light therapy as well

 

[Deleted member 1464]

I know its hard to swallow the first fin pill OP.
You'll get there eventually.

 

[Deleted member 1100]

PGE, PGD and fibrosis

PGD is raised basically because of inflammation, DHT is anti-inflammatory, fibrosis and calcification are partially caused by the accumulation of DHT, which in turns cuts the hair follicle blood flow and causes hair loss

subhuman thought processes

"My hair follicles are sensitive to DHT! They are libtars, their feelings are hurt!!"

 

[TsarTsar444]

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Blast your system with anavar and tren.
Lets see what happens.

I don't know how does drugs work, I can't have an opinion on that

 

[Deleted member 1464]

I don't know how does drugs work, I can't have an opinion on that

You'll take them and you'll go bald because they are DHT steroids.

 

[Deleted member 1100]

I wish u were right so I can hormone maxx at peace.

I understand how finasteride works by blocking androgens but then what's the cause for hairloss to start to happen "overnight" at a different point upon individuals?

Like some start at 40, others at 30. I've started to lose hair at 18, so more than 1 year dealing with this situation.

Your hair cannot just suddenly stop being resistant against DHT so although androgens may be damaging your hair I believe there's something else that happens for them to be damaged on the first place.

Today I read some studies where they found less IGF-1 on top of the scalp than on the sides (balding individuals).

I notice that the top of my scalp is becoming tighter than everywhere else so again, there could be a process in which your hair becomes dht sensitive and that's how hairloss start to show up.

I haven't done much research just something I read today plus own experiences so don't quote at me lol. @Deliciadecu what do you think?

It's becoming tighter because it's calcified and it has more fibrosis than on your normal scalp

 

[Deleted member 773]

Do you have any evidence of this? Because on the other end of the spectrum, I have several studies that show that the amount of androgen receptors in the scalp directly correlates with MPB.

Cause of Androgenic Alopecia: Crux of the Matter

What is wrong with the current understanding of etiopatho genesis of androgenic alopecia (AGA)? What is the most important question to ask to understand AGA? Why is that question skimped? Which findings are interpreted incorrectly? Is there anything that ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Balding hair follicle dermal papilla cells contain higher levels of androgen receptors than those from non-balding scalp - PubMed

Androgens can gradually transform large scalp hair follicles to smaller vellus ones, causing balding. The mechanisms involved are unclear, although androgens are believed to act on the epithelial hair follicle via the mesenchyme-derived dermal papilla. This study investigates whether the levels...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And as the first one explains this is almost entirely genetic and not caused by fibrosis nor inflammation.

 

[Deleted member 3990]

normal shedding vs androgenic alopecia vs androgenetic alopecia

You could have 1 or all 3 (or more)

Androgenetic is the biggest giant to tackle here
to stop it, you have to block the pathways / genes

Androgens are stimulating pathways and the expression of genes, so blocking them would be the first step

but the better approach lies in influencing pathways

and this shit will be interesting in general
this is the nearest we can come to influencing genes (without editing them ofc, but this is a far way still)

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Do you have any evidence of this? Because on the other end of the spectrum, I have several studies that show that the amount of androgen receptors in the scalp directly correlates with MPB.

Cause of Androgenic Alopecia: Crux of the Matter

What is wrong with the current understanding of etiopatho genesis of androgenic alopecia (AGA)? What is the most important question to ask to understand AGA? Why is that question skimped? Which findings are interpreted incorrectly? Is there anything that ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Balding hair follicle dermal papilla cells contain higher levels of androgen receptors than those from non-balding scalp - PubMed

Androgens can gradually transform large scalp hair follicles to smaller vellus ones, causing balding. The mechanisms involved are unclear, although androgens are believed to act on the epithelial hair follicle via the mesenchyme-derived dermal papilla. This study investigates whether the levels...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

And as the first one explains this is almost entirely genetic and not caused by fibrosis nor inflammation.

Correlation does not imply causation, I'll read them later, but JFL @ this logical jump:

The reader would probably agree that the following are generally recognized as safe to claim with regard to androgenic alopecia (AGA) and contribute to androgenic theory:

• 5-alpha reductase enzyme activity, which converts testosterone to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), increases in balding scalp,1
• DHT increases in balding scalp,2,3
• Number of DHT receptors on the hair follicles increases in balding scalp,4
• Blocking conversion of testosterone to DHT delays progression of AGA.5

Based on these findings, DHT is held responsible for miniaturization of hair follicles in AGA.

DHT is found in bald scalp
PGD is found in bald scalp
Blood flow restriction is found in bald scalp
Calcification is found in bald scalp
Fibrosis is found in bald scalp
Low oxygen is found in bald scalp

Oh, guess what inhibts PGD2 to help regrow hair? PGE2...

But let's just blame everything on the male sex hormone

Spoiler

 

[Dogs]

Like I care about semantics. Take pill, grow more hair, stop balding. Who cares what it does unless you're trying to cure balding yourself.

 

[Deleted member 773]

Like I care about semantics. Take pill, grow more hair, stop balding. Who cares what it does unless you're trying to cure balding yourself.

Not a good mentality

 

[Dogs]

Not a good mentality

Show me proof that your theory is correct, and you have a method that stops balding and encourages regrowth with little to no sides.

Literally that's all it takes.

Actually I don't even care about the theory. Prove to me that if I stick my hand in cows pee for 5 minutes every day and I'll get nw0, I'll do it.

 

[Deleted member 773]

Show me proof that your theory is correct, and you have a method that stops balding and encourages regrowth with little to no sides.

Literally that's all it takes.

I’m saying that you shouldn’t take pharmaceuticals like Finasteride blindly.

 

[Dogs]

I’m saying that you shouldn’t take pharmaceuticals like Finasteride blindly.

I agree but, theres a difference between knowing potential sides and probability of those sides, and how finasteride actually stops hairloss.

We do trials on humans and figure out pros and cons. Doesn't matter what the theory is behind it, if it's proven to work it works.

 

[AlexHeally]

did you stop your hairloss by supplments and scalp massage?
tbh I bet your hairline got even worst
I wish there's something more natural and safe to take than finasteride but there's nothing

 

[Deleted member 1100]

did you stop your hairloss by supplments and scalp massage?
tbh I bet your hairline got even worst
I wish there's something more natural and safe to take than finasteride but there's nothing

My hair is actualyl growing, jfl

I already have a NW0 of vellus hair, they just need to get thicker and longer, I expect to get a NW0-0.5 in no more than 6 months, NW ~1.25 in 2 months
.

and this because I haven't found a decent and cheap red LED light

 

[AlexHeally]

My hair is actualyl growing, jfl

I already have a NW0 of vellus hair, they just need to get thicker and longer, I expect to get a NW0-0.5 in no more than 6 months, NW ~1.25 in 2 months
.

and this because I haven't found a decent and cheap red LED light

Impressive to see "NW0" person growing his "existing hair" with hair supplements and scalp massage
If I done this without finasteride I will be nw3 in a year or maybe less

 

[Deleted member 1100]

Impressive to see "NW0" person growing his "existing hair" with hair supplements and scalp massage
If I done this without finasteride I will be nw3 in a year or maybe less

Minoxidil as well (I'll stop using once I get the red light), and microneedling.

Except for the increase in anagen phase from the minox, everything else that I do is to increase the blood flow

Scalp massage is a long term thing, from what I've read you only see results (hair regrowth) after 8-12 months


The only two things that I don't do:

fin
Red light (for now)

 

[AlexHeally]

Minoxidil as well (I'll stop using once I get the red light), and microneedling.

Except for the increase in anagen phase from the minox, everything else that I do is to increase the blood flow

Scalp massage is a long term thing, from what I've read you only see results (hair regrowth) after 8-12 months


The only two things that I don't do:

fin
Red light (for now)

the vellaus hair that you got are probably from minoxidile, and if you stopped you will lose all that hair and start actually norwooding
I was on minoxidile for 8 months and stopped went from nw1 to nw2.5 in 2/3 weeks, I was maintaining with it tho and got vellus hair with it
probably minoxidile is doing all the work for you
for the hair supplements it's pure cope tbh, I'm on hair supplements since I'm 17 and still losing hair
I've been using derma roller for the last 4 months and my vellus hair didn't change tho, I'm only maintaining and I'm only maintaing because of finasteride not because of the hair supplements, the scalp massage, derma roller
I mean I've experienced with the stuff you're doing and i know from experience what's working and what's not

the vellaus hair that you got are probably from minoxidile, and if you stopped you will lose all that hair and start actually norwooding
I was on minoxidile for 8 months and stopped went from nw1 to nw2.5 in 2/3 weeks, I was maintaining with it tho and got vellus hair with it
probably minoxidile is doing all the work for you
for the hair supplements it's pure cope tbh, I'm on hair supplements since I'm 17 and still losing hair
I've been using derma roller for the last 4 months and my vellus hair didn't change tho, I'm only maintaining and I'm only maintaing because of finasteride not because of the hair supplements, the scalp massage, derma roller
I mean I've experienced with the stuff you're doing and i know from experience what's working and what's not

still this stuff can work for you, I'm probably having more aggressive hairloss than you

 

[Deleted member 1100]

the vellaus hair that you got are probably from minoxidile, and if you stopped you will lose all that hair and start actually norwooding
I was on minoxidile for 8 months and stopped went from nw1 to nw2.5 in 2/3 weeks, I was maintaining with it tho and got vellus hair with it
probably minoxidile is doing all the work for you
for the hair supplements it's pure cope tbh, I'm on hair supplements since I'm 17 and still losing hair
I've been using derma roller for the last 4 months and my vellus hair didn't change tho, I'm only maintaining and I'm only maintaing because of finasteride not because of the hair supplements, the scalp massage, derma roller
I mean I've experienced with the stuff you're doing and i know from experience what's working and what's not

still this stuff can work for you, I'm probably having more aggressive hairloss than you

I'm not taking any "hair supplements" though, the only supplements I'm taking for the hair are magnesium and zinc.

Microneedling and red light have similar hair regrowth as minoxidil (study based)

 

[Cody]

So what do steroids do to the hair if it's not dht

 

[AlexHeally]

I'm not taking any "hair supplements" though, the only supplements I'm taking for the hair are magnesium and zinc.

Microneedling and red light have similar hair regrowth as minoxidil (study based)

derma roller alone is not effective as minoxidil at all, can you give me link to this study?

 

[gymislife]

did you stop your hairloss by supplments and scalp massage?
tbh I bet your hairline got even worst
I wish there's something more natural and safe to take than finasteride but there's nothing

What I've been doing for past 2-3 months or so

Nizoral shampoo
Nanogen conditioner
Castor oil
Coconut oil
Dermarolling
Scalp massages
Saw palmetto

Results:
- regrowth around the crown
- no hair shedding (used to lose prob about 100 hairs a day, now maybe 20 max)

however i haven't noticed any regrowth around the hairline (i'm about nw 2/2.5)

Soon I'll add GHK-Cu to the list, if i don't see any regrowth around the hairline in 5-6 months or I start shedding more hairs I'll switch the saw palmetto for finasteride.

Soon I'll also take Astaxanthin (main reason I wanna take it is for skin but people here said it's also a 5ar inhibitor so this combined with saw palmetto should have a similar to fin effect)

I also take supplements like zinc,omega 3,magnesium etc. but i think they are cope since you can get that through diet.

You're welcome

 

[AlexHeally]

What I've been doing for past 2-3 months or so

Nizoral shampoo
Nanogen conditioner
Castor oil
Coconut oil
Dermarolling
Scalp massages
Saw palmetto

Results:
- regrowth around the crown
- no hair shedding (used to lose prob about 100 hairs a day, now maybe 20 max)

however i haven't noticed any regrowth around the hairline (i'm about nw 2/2.5)

Soon I'll add GHK-Cu to the list, if i don't see any regrowth around the hairline in 5-6 months or I start shedding more hairs I'll switch the saw palmetto for finasteride.

Soon I'll also take Astaxanthin (main reason I wanna take it is for skin but people here said it's also a 5ar inhibitor so this combined with saw palmetto should have a similar to fin effect)

I also take supplements like zinc,omega 3,magnesium etc. but i think they are cope since you can get that through diet.

You're welcome

good for you that those stuff are working
you made remember coconut oil and castor oil, I will give them a try, thanks

 

[gymislife]

good for you that those stuff are working
you made remember coconut oil and castor oil, I will give them a try, thanks

I usually only use them after dermarolling and leave them on the hair for few hours, many people say dermarolling+castor oil have similar effect to minoxidil, I'm sceptical about that but we will see.
I also tried taking oral castor oil but don't think it did anything (maybe my eyebrows, eyelashes and beard became slightly thicker but don't think it did anything for my hair)