[Hard To Swallow Edition] The Greatest Trick Society Ever Pulled Was Convincing Men To Adhere To A Feminized Standard Of Masculinity & Be Proud Of It

[Caesercel]

Its a post I found, not my own
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Ever heard of this quote:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist"

Well here's the thing, society has basically done this to men, and many men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) don't seem to be aware of this. Even though its right in their face and OUR ENTIRE HISTORY conveys this

Many men don't seem to realize that they've been tricked, so they are still clinging to modern day blue pilled concepts

I find it funny how so many blackpilled men can give up other aspects of the blue pill (personality matters, just be confident, etc), but then there are some aspects they just can't let go of, and that's usually because its tied to their ego. Once you let go of your ego, none of these modern day feminist concepts will matter to you anymore (and yes, modern day "courtship norms" are due to feminism, they aren't "masculine in nature")



I keep seeing so many men going on and on about "feeling desired", "attracting women", "validation", "love", etc and how not getting these things makes them "less masculine", but has any of these guys even asked themselves:

WHEN did these things become the new "standard of masculinity"? (you can't actually believe this was always the norm, that would be delusional)

Think about your ancestors for a second, who hundreds of years ago would rape and kill like its a normal part of everyday life

Do you think they obsessed about "being desired" or "female validation"? (honestly)

Or were women just something to be bought and/or claimed? (I think we all know what's the honest answer here)

Lets use the white race as an example (since we all know about the Vikings as they are very popular)

Do you think all the Vikings that were raiding towns and villages in England hundreds of years ago, gave a fuck whether or not the women they were raping "desired" them or thought they were "attractive enough"?

NO THEY DID NOT
BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ADHERED TO A STANDARD OF MASCULINITY
THAT WAS "MASCULINE IN NATURE"



Men are no longer adhering to a legitimate standard of masculinity and society has most men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) convinced that a woman wanting to fuck you because you "look cute in your pics" is "masculinity", when its actually men adopting A FEMALE STANDARD OF MATE ACQUISITION

Having a sex partner choose you BECAUSE you are "attractive" to them, is a very feminine thing

WERE MAMMALS NOT BIRDS

MASCULINITY HAS BEEN FEMINIZED

Men in the past have usually acquired women through these three methods:
1. Conquest - (Rape, taking over enemy lands and claiming their women, claiming a defeated kings queen, etc)
2. Diplomacy - (Arranged marriages, political deals, merging dynasties, ending wars, etc)
3. Payment - (Paying a father a "bride price" to wed his daughter, prostitution, buying a slave, etc)

This is what "REAL MEN" did in the past

Not doll themselves up and pick clothes that "goes well with their eyes", or wear jeans that "makes their butt look cute", or wear a hairstyle that "accentuates their jaw line and warrior skull"

Men today are feminine as fuck, I want no part of this, never have, never will!

One thing that so many men express shame about IS SOMETHING MEN IN THE PAST DID AS A NORM (prostitution)

It was a normal thing for even Kings and Lords to fuck whores for payment, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF AN ACTUAL "MASCULINE STANDARD" FOR MASCULINITY

But fast forward to modern times, and all of a sudden its "shameful", "emasculating" or "cucked", because now its "masculine" to get sex because a woman thinks your jaw looks good and your butt looks cute in some jeans (WTF, are you guys REALLY falling for this shit?)

A lot of you guys have fallen for the trick, hook, line, and sinker



Here's the truth

MEN HAVE BECOME THE BITCHES, AND MOST OF YOU ARE IRONICALLY TRYING TO ADHERE TO THIS STANDARD

I just find it funny that what a lot of men consider "manly" or a "feat of masculinity" IS LITERALLY THE MOST FEMININE THING EVER (self beautification)

Its just so funny when you think about it:
A man rapes a woman (takes what he wants by force) - "He's not a "real man", he should feel ashamed"

A man pays a woman for sex (strikes a deal/coerces) - "He's not a "real man", he should be ashamed"

A man attracts women via self beautification and/or being attractive (LITERAL FEMININE BEHAVIOR AND CRITERIA) - "What a man, I want to be like him"

JFL

Now today men are sending "dick pics" like how women send "nudes", they are taking these abs shots where their underwear is pulled down near their crotch like its a "tease pic", they are focusing on which angles to use, what makes their eyes look better, soon a lot of men will even be using makeup (yes, just watch and see)

Ironically its like the wool has been pulled over men's eyes and we act like this is normal for "masculinity"

THIS WAS NEVER NORMAL, THIS SHIT IS FEMININE AS FUCK

Men used to be judged on their:
Wealth
Combat ability
Bravery
Knowledge
Honor
Etc, etc, etc

NOW MEN ARE BITCHES JUST LIKE WOMEN

That's the greatest trick society ever pulled, because you're so busy trying to play the game to get a piece of the pie

So busy trying to "looksmax" to maybe get some scraps off of the table

That you don't realize the rules changed and you are basically NOT EVEN A MAN ANYMORE (MEN TODAY ARE PRETTY MUCH WOMBLESS WOMEN WITH PENISES)

MEN HAVE BECOME WOMEN

The lines are starting to blur, you can't really blame those mentally ill "trans" whatevers at this point. Men don't even act like men anymore, because they aren't even being judged based on masculine criteria anymore, men have been "bitchified"

I FIND IT FUNNY HOW MEN DON'T SEE THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE FEMINIZATION OF MASCULINITY (MEN BEING JUDGED BASED ON LOOKS LIKE WOMEN) AND THE "SOYMALE" EPIDEMIC

THEY ARE DEFINITELY LINKED



The value system of masculinity has changed, its always been a norm (in the past) for fathers to take their sons to brothels (especially if you go way back), it was never something frowned up or seen as "shameful" or "not manly"

Men just allowed themselves over time to basically be feminized, and now men are the bitches who have to beautify themselves like women to "appear attractive", that was never a male thing before these times

Sorry, I'm not taking part in that game, tbh even if I woke up a 10/10 guy tomorrow I'm not doing that degrading shit, I will not liken myself to a woman and lower myself to the level of a female. I will take what I want in life by force or claim it through resources, but I will not pretty myself up to woo someone into giving me it

That is the epitome of femininity and submissiveness, and ironically that is the norm for males in this age

Having to pretty yourself up like a female to be judged on your body parts, that's supposed to be for women not men

Men today not only have to play their traditional role with all its shortcomings, they also now have to play the role of the female too JFL (its ridiculous, its sad but at the same time, its so funny )



So allow me to repeat myself and conclude this topic

The rest of you can keep falling for this bullshit and taking part in this blue pilled feminized standard of masculinity, but I won't take part

I will gladly fuck prostitutes & escorts with a smile , with no shame or regret (LIKE MEN DID BEFORE ME)

I will NOT liken myself to a female and obsess about "attention", "attraction", "desire", "validation", "love", etc (men in the past did not obsess over these things like men do today)

I WILL CLAIM WHAT I WANT IN LIFE THROUGH FORCE, COERCION OR RESOURCES

LIKE "REAL MEN" DID IN THE PAST

NOT BY ADHERING THIS BULLSHIT MODERN DAY FEMINIZED STANDARD OF MASCULINITY

 

[Looks234]

Cope

 

[gamma]

I WILL CLAIM WHAT I WANT IN LIFE THROUGH FORCE, COERCION

 

[ezio6]

trust in jesus for getting out from this demon possesed earth

 

[Adriana Lima]

cope sprinkled with water

 

[Gengar]

this post reeks of blkcuckpres with all that pseudo intelligence

 

[randomuser2407]

He does have a point but only in the sense that obsessing too much over looks when you already look decent is a waste of your precious time, time which you could be using to have sex with women instead.

However, if you're really ugly and your looks are preventing you from getting laid, then you should focus on looksmaxxing.

I think that OP is right in the sense that if women already check you out but you can't get laid, it's just because you're not man enough to approach women and talk to them because you have a very feminine fear of being hurt if you do so. But if you're ugly, then you're right to be afraid if the women don't even want you.

Also, even back in the old days, women always cared about height, it didn't just change recently, and looks have always mattered too, it's just that men weren't obsessed with tiny details.

In my case, he would be right that my obsession with my looks is why I never got laid, because I was too worried that I was not attractive enough and I was always aiming for the ideal of beauty, for perfection even though that doesn't really exist.

He is right that many men today are so obsessed with looking good that they do that more than talk to women, but he is wrong to say that looks don't matter. To succeed with women, you need both good looks and to be extremely masculine too, so he does have a point but he isn't 100% right.

 

[Kilimanjaro]

You're too much gone I'm sorry

 

[Caesercel]

this post reeks of blkcuckpres with all that pseudo intelligence

I actually kind of agree with 90% of whaat he says here

 

[Deleted member 7941]

this post reeks of blkcuckpres with all that pseudo intelligence

 

[Kekee]

Good post but only Blacks and other dirty ethnic monkeys like Nerdics rape. Real human males are too High IQ and good looking to rape(Southern Europeans)

Though prostitution is good for all.

 

[Caesercel]

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Good post but only Blacks and other dirty ethnic monkeys like Nerdics rape. Real human males are too High IQ and good looking to rape(Southern Europeans)

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Though prostitution is good for all.

Many rapists tend to be good looking as well

 

[randomuser2407]

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Good post but only Blacks and other dirty ethnic monkeys like Nerdics rape. Real human males are too High IQ and good looking to rape(Southern Europeans)

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Though prostitution is good for all.

The Vikings actually came close to conquering all the kingdoms of England, they only stopped right before conquering Wessex because Ivar Ragnarsson (leader of the Great Heathen Army) wanted to go back to see his people in Ireland, and he procrastinated for so long on it that the english eventually managed to take back all their kingdoms from the vikings.

Also, the Vikings were tall and muscular, they were much more alpha than the typical average weakling you would find in England from 800 to 1100 AD. The sons of Ragnar were extremely masculine, much more than most Englishmen. So you have no idea what you're talking about, you're literally just nitpicking.

There are ugly men and ugly women in every culture, you're just too racist to see it.

 

[Kekee]

Many rapists tend to be good looking as well

Giga cope. It's never rape if you look like this:

There would never even be a charge against that unless it's a false one.

 

[sorrowfulsad]

angry armchair psychologist

 

[Deleted member 11758]

 

[Kekee]

The Vikings actually came close to conquering all the kingdoms of England, they only stopped right before conquering Wessex because Ivar Ragnarsson (leader of the Great Heathen Army) wanted to go back to see his people in Ireland, and he procrastinated for so long on it that the english eventually managed to take back all their kingdoms from the vikings.

Also, the Vikings were tall and muscular, they were much more alpha than the typical average weakling you would find in England from 800 to 1100 AD. The sons of Ragnar were extremely masculine, much more than most Englishmen. So you have no idea what you're talking about, you're literally just nitpicking.

There are ugly men and ugly women in every culture, you're just too racist to see it.

The English are cucks so of course Vikings mog them. Too bad they weren't High IQ enough to finish the job. Would've done the world a favor.

 

[randomuser2407]

The English are cucks so of course Vikings mog them. Too bad they weren't High IQ enough to finish the job. Would've done the world a favor.

No England means no USA, which means that if WW2 had happened, then the bad guys would have won.

But the more likely scenario is that there are no world wars but no democracy and the world is at the same level of technological advancement as back in the time of the Vikings.

Without England, many scientific discoveries would have never happened. The Vikings didn't invent anything that helped advance society, they just raped and pillaged as much as they could, they didn't contribute to society in a meaningful way, they just caused lots of damage.

 

[Caesercel]

Giga cope. It's never rape if you look like this:

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There would never even be a charge against that unless it's a false one.

In that case you're letting women decide what rape is and what rape isn't based on Arbritary women standards instead of objectivity. That's pretty cucked

 

[Kekee]

In that case you're letting women decide what rape is and what rape isn't based on Arbritary women standards instead of objectivity. That's pretty cucked

Rape = Objectively Ugly/average male

Consensual = Objectively Good looking male.

It's objective because looks are objective. Women didn't create that, they just go with nature. It's men who created cucked laws that protect women.

 

[Caesercel]

Rape = Objectively Ugly/average male
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Consensual = Objectively Good looking male.
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It's objective because looks are objective. Women didn't create that, they just go with nature. It's men who created cucked laws that protect women.

Retarded "put cart before horse" Take. But ok

 

[Kekee]

No England means no USA, which means that if WW2 had happened, then the bad guys would have won.

But the more likely scenario is that there are no world wars but no democracy and the world is at the same level of technological advancement as back in the time of the Vikings.

Without England, many scientific discoveries would have never happened. The Vikings didn't invent anything that helped advance society, they just raped and pillaged as much as they could, they didn't contribute to society in a meaningful way, they just caused lots of damage.

All ideal scenarios.

 

[Amexmaxx]

Read every single word. Ive been saying this for the longest. Dudes do not know real masculinity, they only know gynocentric masculinity. They only know masculinity to the extent that it garners female validation. Ive been preaching that PROSTITUTION IS THE SOLUTION. But oh no no thats cucked that’s beta, muh looks muh validation muh “alpha male”. It reminds me of esther vilar in the manipulated man where she says “How easily man forgets that his own standards of honor, pride, and dignity are all instilled in him by women and that the very masculinity of which he is so proud is but a sign of successful manipulation!”



Whoever wrote this , Great fucking post op. And jfl and everyone obsessing over the rape part when thats not even the total point of what was written. The point is that we acquire mates in a feminine way now. Rape happens all the time in nature since yall love whats muh natural muh biology.

 

[Caesercel]

Bumpo

 

[Deleted member 6403]

Jews

 

[Deleted member 6403]

getting women is so fucking easy

they weigh like 130lb's max (if that's heavy for you, then don't reproduce)

all u have to do is pick them up and take them where you want in your LUCID DREAMS OFC

(entertainment purposes only, NOT condoning any violence)

 

[Deleted member 7941]

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Read every single word. Ive been saying this for the longest. Dudes do not know real masculinity, they only know gynocentric masculinity. They only know masculinity to the extent that it garners female validation. Ive been preaching that PROSTITUTION IS THE SOLUTION. But oh no no thats cucked that’s beta, muh looks muh validation muh “alpha male”. It reminds me of esther vilar in the manipulated man where she says “How easily man forgets that his own standards of honor, pride, and dignity are all instilled in him by women and that the very masculinity of which he is so proud is but a sign of successful manipulation!”



Whoever wrote this , Great fucking post op. And jfl and everyone obsessing over the rape part when thats not even the total point of what was written. The point is that we acquire mates in a feminine way now. Rape happens all the time in nature since yall love whats muh natural muh biology.

This, and yes these guys are going out of their way not to see the point (and focusing on the rape), because they can't let go of the one blue pill that their ego is attached to, "being attractive to women". Their minds won't let them reach the obvious conclusion

Men in the past never gave a fuck about these things, and these were men whose masculinity dwarfs ours

I adhere to the original old standard of masculinity, not this new age feminized bullshit

I will claim what I want in life through force, coercion or payment

Watch and see, years from now guys like the ones in this thread arguing against it, will be wearing fucking makeup and telling themselves that they are more "masculine" and more "alpha" than a man that pays for sex

PEAK MASCULINITY, LOOK AT THAT CHAD FACE AND JAW LINE

There's a reason why I never post in this forum, its because its filled with larps who are pretending to be incels, and delusional incels who think that they are going to "ascend" one day if they use creams and beautification methods, its not only cringe and pathetic, its peak delusion, there is no skin treatment for the bones in your face or for your height, and face and height are the most crucial

All the money that they would spend to crack their face open and adjust their jaw could simply be spent on fucking whores for cheap in South East Asia or Eastern Europe if you prefer white women

If only they could "get over themselves" and stop being so ego obsessed, and stop revering women so much that they value their judgements as if they are goddesses


I agree with what you said here in particular

PROSTITUTION HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SOLUTION

The only reason women have leverage in society is because they have a monopoly over sex as a resource. If prostitution was decriminalized in all states in America, I'd give it 5 years before all these onlyfans whores stop making any money. Simps are actually our worst enemy, not women, and in order to keep simps from sabotaging the sex market they will have to be given better options

There will always be simps, but most simps will much rather pay for a "girlfriend experience" than to pay a whore online to pretend to like them and not even get to have sex

The longer prostitution is legal for, the less power and leverage women will have in society

The most crucial thing for incels as a group to push for politically is the decriminalization of prostitution. When there's a brothel that every man can access, out goes all of women's power in society. There'll be less simping, less marriages, less special favors being thrown around in women's favor

But that's exactly why its going to be so hard to get these laws passed, feminists will rally against it

 

[Copemaxxing]

Its so sad that males looking like this are getting idealized here, whats wrong with „blackpilled“ people here jfl whats that for a bitch he wouldnt survive a second in the stone age.

 

[Deleted member 14138]

Its a post I found, not my own
.................................................

Ever heard of this quote:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist"

Well here's the thing, society has basically done this to men, and many men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) don't seem to be aware of this. Even though its right in their face and OUR ENTIRE HISTORY conveys this

Many men don't seem to realize that they've been tricked, so they are still clinging to modern day blue pilled concepts

I find it funny how so many blackpilled men can give up other aspects of the blue pill (personality matters, just be confident, etc), but then there are some aspects they just can't let go of, and that's usually because its tied to their ego. Once you let go of your ego, none of these modern day feminist concepts will matter to you anymore (and yes, modern day "courtship norms" are due to feminism, they aren't "masculine in nature")



I keep seeing so many men going on and on about "feeling desired", "attracting women", "validation", "love", etc and how not getting these things makes them "less masculine", but has any of these guys even asked themselves:

WHEN did these things become the new "standard of masculinity"? (you can't actually believe this was always the norm, that would be delusional)

Think about your ancestors for a second, who hundreds of years ago would rape and kill like its a normal part of everyday life

Do you think they obsessed about "being desired" or "female validation"? (honestly)

Or were women just something to be bought and/or claimed? (I think we all know what's the honest answer here)

Lets use the white race as an example (since we all know about the Vikings as they are very popular)

Do you think all the Vikings that were raiding towns and villages in England hundreds of years ago, gave a fuck whether or not the women they were raping "desired" them or thought they were "attractive enough"?

NO THEY DID NOT
BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ADHERED TO A STANDARD OF MASCULINITY
THAT WAS "MASCULINE IN NATURE"



Men are no longer adhering to a legitimate standard of masculinity and society has most men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) convinced that a woman wanting to fuck you because you "look cute in your pics" is "masculinity", when its actually men adopting A FEMALE STANDARD OF MATE ACQUISITION

Having a sex partner choose you BECAUSE you are "attractive" to them, is a very feminine thing

WERE MAMMALS NOT BIRDS

MASCULINITY HAS BEEN FEMINIZED

Men in the past have usually acquired women through these three methods:
1. Conquest - (Rape, taking over enemy lands and claiming their women, claiming a defeated kings queen, etc)
2. Diplomacy - (Arranged marriages, political deals, merging dynasties, ending wars, etc)
3. Payment - (Paying a father a "bride price" to wed his daughter, prostitution, buying a slave, etc)

This is what "REAL MEN" did in the past

Not doll themselves up and pick clothes that "goes well with their eyes", or wear jeans that "makes their butt look cute", or wear a hairstyle that "accentuates their jaw line and warrior skull"

Men today are feminine as fuck, I want no part of this, never have, never will!

One thing that so many men express shame about IS SOMETHING MEN IN THE PAST DID AS A NORM (prostitution)

It was a normal thing for even Kings and Lords to fuck whores for payment, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF AN ACTUAL "MASCULINE STANDARD" FOR MASCULINITY

But fast forward to modern times, and all of a sudden its "shameful", "emasculating" or "cucked", because now its "masculine" to get sex because a woman thinks your jaw looks good and your butt looks cute in some jeans (WTF, are you guys REALLY falling for this shit?)

A lot of you guys have fallen for the trick, hook, line, and sinker



Here's the truth

MEN HAVE BECOME THE BITCHES, AND MOST OF YOU ARE IRONICALLY TRYING TO ADHERE TO THIS STANDARD

I just find it funny that what a lot of men consider "manly" or a "feat of masculinity" IS LITERALLY THE MOST FEMININE THING EVER (self beautification)

Its just so funny when you think about it:
A man rapes a woman (takes what he wants by force) - "He's not a "real man", he should feel ashamed"

A man pays a woman for sex (strikes a deal/coerces) - "He's not a "real man", he should be ashamed"

A man attracts women via self beautification and/or being attractive (LITERAL FEMININE BEHAVIOR AND CRITERIA) - "What a man, I want to be like him"

JFL

Now today men are sending "dick pics" like how women send "nudes", they are taking these abs shots where their underwear is pulled down near their crotch like its a "tease pic", they are focusing on which angles to use, what makes their eyes look better, soon a lot of men will even be using makeup (yes, just watch and see)

Ironically its like the wool has been pulled over men's eyes and we act like this is normal for "masculinity"

THIS WAS NEVER NORMAL, THIS SHIT IS FEMININE AS FUCK

Men used to be judged on their:
Wealth
Combat ability
Bravery
Knowledge
Honor
Etc, etc, etc

NOW MEN ARE BITCHES JUST LIKE WOMEN

That's the greatest trick society ever pulled, because you're so busy trying to play the game to get a piece of the pie

So busy trying to "looksmax" to maybe get some scraps off of the table

That you don't realize the rules changed and you are basically NOT EVEN A MAN ANYMORE (MEN TODAY ARE PRETTY MUCH WOMBLESS WOMEN WITH PENISES)

MEN HAVE BECOME WOMEN

The lines are starting to blur, you can't really blame those mentally ill "trans" whatevers at this point. Men don't even act like men anymore, because they aren't even being judged based on masculine criteria anymore, men have been "bitchified"

I FIND IT FUNNY HOW MEN DON'T SEE THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE FEMINIZATION OF MASCULINITY (MEN BEING JUDGED BASED ON LOOKS LIKE WOMEN) AND THE "SOYMALE" EPIDEMIC

THEY ARE DEFINITELY LINKED



The value system of masculinity has changed, its always been a norm (in the past) for fathers to take their sons to brothels (especially if you go way back), it was never something frowned up or seen as "shameful" or "not manly"

Men just allowed themselves over time to basically be feminized, and now men are the bitches who have to beautify themselves like women to "appear attractive", that was never a male thing before these times

Sorry, I'm not taking part in that game, tbh even if I woke up a 10/10 guy tomorrow I'm not doing that degrading shit, I will not liken myself to a woman and lower myself to the level of a female. I will take what I want in life by force or claim it through resources, but I will not pretty myself up to woo someone into giving me it

That is the epitome of femininity and submissiveness, and ironically that is the norm for males in this age

Having to pretty yourself up like a female to be judged on your body parts, that's supposed to be for women not men

Men today not only have to play their traditional role with all its shortcomings, they also now have to play the role of the female too JFL (its ridiculous, its sad but at the same time, its so funny )



So allow me to repeat myself and conclude this topic

The rest of you can keep falling for this bullshit and taking part in this blue pilled feminized standard of masculinity, but I won't take part

I will gladly fuck prostitutes & escorts with a smile , with no shame or regret (LIKE MEN DID BEFORE ME)

I will NOT liken myself to a female and obsess about "attention", "attraction", "desire", "validation", "love", etc (men in the past did not obsess over these things like men do today)

I WILL CLAIM WHAT I WANT IN LIFE THROUGH FORCE, COERCION OR RESOURCES

LIKE "REAL MEN" DID IN THE PAST

NOT BY ADHERING THIS BULLSHIT MODERN DAY FEMINIZED STANDARD OF MASCULINITY

lol not doll themselves up. explains the fucked up reality of why this site exists in the first place. also this is pretty based not gonna lie.

 

[Deleted member 6892]

So what should we do? Go out and start raping random bitches and buy sex slaves from Middle East?

Its a post I found, not my own
.................................................

Ever heard of this quote:
"The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist"

Well here's the thing, society has basically done this to men, and many men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) don't seem to be aware of this. Even though its right in their face and OUR ENTIRE HISTORY conveys this

Many men don't seem to realize that they've been tricked, so they are still clinging to modern day blue pilled concepts

I find it funny how so many blackpilled men can give up other aspects of the blue pill (personality matters, just be confident, etc), but then there are some aspects they just can't let go of, and that's usually because its tied to their ego. Once you let go of your ego, none of these modern day feminist concepts will matter to you anymore (and yes, modern day "courtship norms" are due to feminism, they aren't "masculine in nature")



I keep seeing so many men going on and on about "feeling desired", "attracting women", "validation", "love", etc and how not getting these things makes them "less masculine", but has any of these guys even asked themselves:

WHEN did these things become the new "standard of masculinity"? (you can't actually believe this was always the norm, that would be delusional)

Think about your ancestors for a second, who hundreds of years ago would rape and kill like its a normal part of everyday life

Do you think they obsessed about "being desired" or "female validation"? (honestly)

Or were women just something to be bought and/or claimed? (I think we all know what's the honest answer here)

Lets use the white race as an example (since we all know about the Vikings as they are very popular)

Do you think all the Vikings that were raiding towns and villages in England hundreds of years ago, gave a fuck whether or not the women they were raping "desired" them or thought they were "attractive enough"?

NO THEY DID NOT
BECAUSE THEY ACTUALLY ADHERED TO A STANDARD OF MASCULINITY
THAT WAS "MASCULINE IN NATURE"



Men are no longer adhering to a legitimate standard of masculinity and society has most men (ironically even so called "black pilled" Men) convinced that a woman wanting to fuck you because you "look cute in your pics" is "masculinity", when its actually men adopting A FEMALE STANDARD OF MATE ACQUISITION

Having a sex partner choose you BECAUSE you are "attractive" to them, is a very feminine thing

WERE MAMMALS NOT BIRDS

MASCULINITY HAS BEEN FEMINIZED

Men in the past have usually acquired women through these three methods:
1. Conquest - (Rape, taking over enemy lands and claiming their women, claiming a defeated kings queen, etc)
2. Diplomacy - (Arranged marriages, political deals, merging dynasties, ending wars, etc)
3. Payment - (Paying a father a "bride price" to wed his daughter, prostitution, buying a slave, etc)

This is what "REAL MEN" did in the past

Not doll themselves up and pick clothes that "goes well with their eyes", or wear jeans that "makes their butt look cute", or wear a hairstyle that "accentuates their jaw line and warrior skull"

Men today are feminine as fuck, I want no part of this, never have, never will!

One thing that so many men express shame about IS SOMETHING MEN IN THE PAST DID AS A NORM (prostitution)

It was a normal thing for even Kings and Lords to fuck whores for payment, BECAUSE THAT WAS PART OF AN ACTUAL "MASCULINE STANDARD" FOR MASCULINITY

But fast forward to modern times, and all of a sudden its "shameful", "emasculating" or "cucked", because now its "masculine" to get sex because a woman thinks your jaw looks good and your butt looks cute in some jeans (WTF, are you guys REALLY falling for this shit?)

A lot of you guys have fallen for the trick, hook, line, and sinker



Here's the truth

MEN HAVE BECOME THE BITCHES, AND MOST OF YOU ARE IRONICALLY TRYING TO ADHERE TO THIS STANDARD

I just find it funny that what a lot of men consider "manly" or a "feat of masculinity" IS LITERALLY THE MOST FEMININE THING EVER (self beautification)

Its just so funny when you think about it:
A man rapes a woman (takes what he wants by force) - "He's not a "real man", he should feel ashamed"

A man pays a woman for sex (strikes a deal/coerces) - "He's not a "real man", he should be ashamed"

A man attracts women via self beautification and/or being attractive (LITERAL FEMININE BEHAVIOR AND CRITERIA) - "What a man, I want to be like him"

JFL

Now today men are sending "dick pics" like how women send "nudes", they are taking these abs shots where their underwear is pulled down near their crotch like its a "tease pic", they are focusing on which angles to use, what makes their eyes look better, soon a lot of men will even be using makeup (yes, just watch and see)

Ironically its like the wool has been pulled over men's eyes and we act like this is normal for "masculinity"

THIS WAS NEVER NORMAL, THIS SHIT IS FEMININE AS FUCK

Men used to be judged on their:
Wealth
Combat ability
Bravery
Knowledge
Honor
Etc, etc, etc

NOW MEN ARE BITCHES JUST LIKE WOMEN

That's the greatest trick society ever pulled, because you're so busy trying to play the game to get a piece of the pie

So busy trying to "looksmax" to maybe get some scraps off of the table

That you don't realize the rules changed and you are basically NOT EVEN A MAN ANYMORE (MEN TODAY ARE PRETTY MUCH WOMBLESS WOMEN WITH PENISES)

MEN HAVE BECOME WOMEN

The lines are starting to blur, you can't really blame those mentally ill "trans" whatevers at this point. Men don't even act like men anymore, because they aren't even being judged based on masculine criteria anymore, men have been "bitchified"

I FIND IT FUNNY HOW MEN DON'T SEE THE PARALLELS BETWEEN THE FEMINIZATION OF MASCULINITY (MEN BEING JUDGED BASED ON LOOKS LIKE WOMEN) AND THE "SOYMALE" EPIDEMIC

THEY ARE DEFINITELY LINKED



The value system of masculinity has changed, its always been a norm (in the past) for fathers to take their sons to brothels (especially if you go way back), it was never something frowned up or seen as "shameful" or "not manly"

Men just allowed themselves over time to basically be feminized, and now men are the bitches who have to beautify themselves like women to "appear attractive", that was never a male thing before these times

Sorry, I'm not taking part in that game, tbh even if I woke up a 10/10 guy tomorrow I'm not doing that degrading shit, I will not liken myself to a woman and lower myself to the level of a female. I will take what I want in life by force or claim it through resources, but I will not pretty myself up to woo someone into giving me it

That is the epitome of femininity and submissiveness, and ironically that is the norm for males in this age

Having to pretty yourself up like a female to be judged on your body parts, that's supposed to be for women not men

Men today not only have to play their traditional role with all its shortcomings, they also now have to play the role of the female too JFL (its ridiculous, its sad but at the same time, its so funny )



So allow me to repeat myself and conclude this topic

The rest of you can keep falling for this bullshit and taking part in this blue pilled feminized standard of masculinity, but I won't take part

I will gladly fuck prostitutes & escorts with a smile , with no shame or regret (LIKE MEN DID BEFORE ME)

I will NOT liken myself to a female and obsess about "attention", "attraction", "desire", "validation", "love", etc (men in the past did not obsess over these things like men do today)

I WILL CLAIM WHAT I WANT IN LIFE THROUGH FORCE, COERCION OR RESOURCES

LIKE "REAL MEN" DID IN THE PAST

NOT BY ADHERING THIS BULLSHIT MODERN DAY FEMINIZED STANDARD OF MASCULINITY

 

[Enfant terrible]

Ugly men cope
if you need to use any other than your looks its over buddy
She hates you

 

[Caesercel]

Ugly men cope
if you need to use any other than your looks its over buddy
She hates you

Cope. Men never cared much about their looks before. Having to "attract" women is a clear step back for men

 

[TsarTsar444]

Dnrd tldr?

 

[Enfant terrible]

Cope. Men never cared much about their looks before. Having to "attract" women is a clear step back for men

Cope Male grooming exist since antiquity

 

[Caesercel]

Cope Male grooming exist since antiquity

It was never intended to impress women.

 

[Yuya Moggershima]

It was never intended to impress women.

Looksmaxxing isn't only for women anyway.

Julius Caesar, one of the greatest men ever existed, was bothered by his own balding

 

[Caesercel]

Looksmaxxing isn't only for women anyway.

Julius Caesar, one of the greatest men ever existed, was bothered by his own balding

The context here is women. And I'm not concerned with Julius' phobos. He still lifemogged every other roman chad to non-existence

 

[Deleted member 14262]

Cope thread with good points. The reason why we care about looks today is only because women do, and their desires were suppressed for centuries.. Caring about looks is not feminine, simply a product of our society, rape isn't masculine either, it's just something people could get away with back then. Blackpillers care about their looks because they are adapting to their culture. "Muh masculinity! Muh femenization!" is a giant cope.

Jfl if you think in the past you would be some badass viking who would slay and rape, you would be like the rest of the 80% of males and get killed as soon as you stepped off the longboat.

 

[Deleted member 4106]

Men in the past have usually acquired women through these three methods:
1. Conquest - (Rape, taking over enemy lands and claiming their women, claiming a defeated kings queen, etc)
2. Diplomacy - (Arranged marriages, political deals, merging dynasties, ending wars, etc)
3. Payment - (Paying a father a "bride price" to wed his daughter, prostitution, buying a slave, etc)

fallacy of conservatism
Times change, and with it society also changes. It's ridiculous to want to use the standards of a thousand years ago for today.All the methods mentioned are ridiculous for today.
1 Conquest, Rape is inherently bad, disagree? Wait till a stronger man rapes you, and you'll come to agree
2 Diplomacy,Thanks to globalization, world wars today are unfeasible, it is much more advantageous to make economic agreements than to destroy them. And anyway, this only applies to royalty.
3 Payment,Women today have the same rights as men

Men are just adapting to the age they live in.
Fuck if men are more feminine, Chad is fucking several women your o while you debate masculinity.

Do you disagree with something I said?
So be the fucking true men you talk so much about, otherwise you just prove my point

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

Adapt or Die

 

[Amexmaxx]

Watch and see, years from now guys like the ones in this thread arguing against it, will be wearing fucking makeup and telling themselves that they are more "masculine" and more "alpha" than a man that pays for sex

PEAK MASCULINITY, LOOK AT THAT CHAD FACE AND JAW LINE

If only they could "get over themselves" and stop being so ego obsessed, and stop revering women so much that they value their judgements as if they are goddesses


I agree with what you said here in particular

PROSTITUTION HAS AND ALWAYS WILL BE THE SOLUTION

 

[Deleted member 11388]

Prostitution is awesome honestly, if it was legal and cheap in more countries girls would know the guys can get laid whenever they want so they would actually try to pick up guys. You can see that in Australia where prostitution is legal.

 

[Caesercel]

fallacy of conservatism
Times change, and with it society also changes. It's ridiculous to want to use the standards of a thousand years ago for today.All the methods mentioned are ridiculous for today.
1 Conquest, Rape is inherently bad, disagree? Wait till a stronger man rapes you, and you'll come to agree
2 Diplomacy,Thanks to globalization, world wars today are unfeasible, it is much more advantageous to make economic agreements than to destroy them. And anyway, this only applies to royalty.
3 Payment,Women today have the same rights as men

Men are just adapting to the age they live in.
Fuck if men are more feminine, Chad is fucking several women your o while you debate masculinity.

Do you disagree with something I said?
So be the fucking true men you talk so much about, otherwise you just prove my point

This is not my post but I would still respond with my perspective.

fallacy of conservatism
Times change, and with it society also .

Well it just became worse for men then. I personally think the logical conclusion of blackpill should be equitable distribution of sexual resources NOT looksmaxxing to attract Chad's leftovers. I know many of you looksmaxxers think you are "Chads" who may benefit from all this. But that's delusional.

It's ridiculous to want to use the standards of a thousand years ago for today.

I didn't know 1940 was thousands of years ago.

1 Conquest, Rape is inherently bad, disagree? Wait till a stronger man rapes you, and you'll come to agree

The definition of rape has changed a lot in the recent century. A lot of sexual interactions that were considered pretty normal in the old days would be considered rape now. And all those changes are against men and favour women. Infact some hardcore feminists argue that almost all sex or atleast 99% of it is rape. So blanket statements like "rape is bad" do not hold much value . Rape used to be about taking another man's wife NOT consent.

2 Diplomacy,Thanks to globalization, world wars today are unfeasible, it is much more advantageous to make economic agreements than to destroy them. And anyway, this only applies to royalty.

I don't think you understand how arranged marriages worked. We may live in an isolated state of hyperindividualism now. Where the corporates and state can exploit us to the maximum. But there used to be a time when people relied on social structures, institutions. Not codified in law but still extant in community conscience. And even today you can't live life without some degree of diplomatic dealings.

3 Payment,Women today have the same rights as men

That's just sad. If more men knew how much this harms them maybe we could work to reverse this.

Men are just adapting to the age they live in.
Fuck if men are more feminine, Chad is fucking several women your o while you debate masculinity.

You are pretending as if looksmaxing will solve this problem. You can't compete with chad regardless. He doesn't need to do all that shit. So the point should be to stop chad from fucking several women or stop women from whoring around. Not fighting a losing battle. (I'm not completely against looksmaxing btw)

What you're suggesting is akin to saying "just roll over and die" to most men

 

[Caesercel]

.

 

[Caesercel]

Cope thread with good points. The reason why we care about looks today is only because women do, and their desires were suppressed for centuries.. Caring about looks is not feminine, simply a product of our society, rape isn't masculine either, it's just something people could get away with back then. Blackpillers care about their looks because they are adapting to their culture. "Muh masculinity! Muh femenization!" is a giant cope.

Jfl if you think in the past you would be some badass viking who would slay and rape, you would be like the rest of the 80% of males and get killed as soon as you stepped off the longboat.

Then maybe there's something wrong with the society and instead of fixing that we are focusing on the wrong approach. If their desires were suppreseed for centuries maybe they should remain so to our benefit.

Because ultimately those 80% of peasent men too got local virgin women to marry and have children with. That's more than what I can say for the bottom 80% men in 21st century

 

[Deleted member 4106]

NOT looksmaxxing to attract Chad's leftovers. I know many of you looksmaxxers think you are "Chads" who may benefit from all this. But that's delusional.

I just want a faithful girlfriend.

I didn't know 1940 was thousands of years ago.

The alge of the three items mentioned goes back several centuries,mainly rape.
The trend of the three items cited is increasingly decreasing. In 1940 there are far fewer of the three items cited than in 1700, or any previous period.

The definition of rape has changed a lot in the recent century. A lot of sexual interactions that were considered pretty normal in the old days would be considered rape now. And all those changes are against men and favour women. Infact some hardcore feminists argue that almost all sex or atleast 99% of it is rape. So blanket statements like "rape is bad" do not hold much value . Rape used to be about taking another man's wife NOT consent.

His argument went nowhere. This is a problem of semantics. Let's take an example where a woman is on the street and a man starts raping, that's the definition of rape I'm using

That's just sad. If more men knew how much this harms them maybe we could work to reverse this.

The damage is already done, now it's time to accept reality

You are pretending as if looksmaxing will solve this problem. You can't compete with chad regardless. He doesn't need to do all that shit. So the point should be to stop chad from fucking several women or stop women from whoring around. Not fighting a losing battle. (I'm not completely against looksmaxing btw)

Let me get this straight, are you telling me that making a revolution that would completely change the structures of society is easier than concentrating on improving my appearance?

You are pretending as if looksmaxing will solve this problem. You can't compete with chad regardless. He doesn't need to do all that shit. So the point should be to stop chad from fucking several women or stop women from whoring around. Not fighting a losing battle. (I'm not completely against looksmaxing btw)

Yes it is already helping me a lot.
it's ridiculous not to want to improve any aspect just because there are people better than you

What you're suggesting is akin to saying "just roll over and die" to most men

On the contrary, smart is the one who adapts

 

[Deleted member 14543]

i agree with every word of this thread. this forum needs a how to be a man section

 

[copepolice]

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Though prostitution is good for all.

cope

 

[TheAnomaly]

I’m not sure if ‘feeling desired’ by a woman is masculine or not. But, it is a nice dopamine rush.

 

[Deleted member 13137]

Wow this totally changed my perspective

brb gonna go rape