Hardmaxxing for deeper set eyes

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Introduction:
This post will discuss the 2 main ways men have deep-set eyes and the surgeries needed to achieve them within a reasonable budget. As well as why fat grafting is preferable.

Eye Aesthetics

When it comes to facial attractiveness, its no debate that the eye area is the most important element of the face. The features of the eye area that are extremely difficult / costly to change with surgery are the spacing, width : height, canthus length so I will not focus on them in this thread.

The features that are easier are the upper eye lid exposure show and under eye support. When approaching surgery its important to think of the actual underlying structure that causes the eye area to be good. I'd argue that brow ridge projection and a forward maxilla or large orbital fat pads are the aspects that will lead to low UEE + strong under eye support = better eye region and should be focused on most for surgery for optimal results.

I also don't think both are necessary for a good eye area which is why you should approach your weakest one when trying to minimise the amount of hardmaxxing you are looking to do.

Feminised brow ridge but amazing orbital fat:
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Well projected brow ridge but average orbital fat:
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While improving your bones is possible: lefort, brow ridge augmentation, orbital rim implants(these only fraud better maxilla projection, doesn't correct it) surgeries and procedures changing the skull are much more costly, risky and have longer recovery times than those adding or repositioning fat. This is why I will be going through with an under eye fat graft to improve my eye area despite also lacking bone support in the maxilla.

My surgery plan

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As can be seen my eye area is pretty subhuman currently. I've got severe darkening around the entire region. I've also got extremely bad under eye hollows and high UEE. While my lack of brow ridge projection and slight recessed maxilla don't help addressing them would be much harder (for reasons outlined before) compared to a fat grafting to my under eye region. While this will definitely correct the hollows, darkening and give the appearance of better support I'm unsure of the effects it will have on my eye area as a whole.

This is the part I need advice and thoughts on. I'm looking to get as much fat as possible and hopefully this will fill the region to the point it actually makes my width : height better due to the new fat pushing up against the skin. Will this give me the appearance of having deeper set eyes? Will the excess fat actually be able to change the appearance of my eye shape?
 
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Given the cost disparity it makes sense to try fat first and have implants later if still dissatisfied.

There are studies showing under eye fat grafting reduced scleral show a little.
 
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Op got severely recessed orbitals. I dont think fat grafting make even a little difference
Given the cost disparity it makes sense to try fat first and have implants later if still dissatisfied.

There are studies showing under eye fat grafting reduced scleral show a little.
 
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Op got severely recessed orbitals. I dont think fat grafting make even a little difference
thanks for your input. could you give me some examples of similar cases to mine - preferably someone who also got fat grafting with recessed infras and it made no difference ,so i can compare
 
the answer here is multifold

supraorbital fat grafting + brow botox
orbital decompression
and inframalar implant with lipofilling

the best way to get deepest eyes is to move the eyes back AND move the malar region forward. otherwise it will not look natural
 
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the answer here is multifold

supraorbital fat grafting + brow botox
orbital decompression
and inframalar implant with lipofilling

the best way to get deepest eyes is to move the eyes back AND move the malar region forward. otherwise it will not look natural
thanks for the advice, do you really think orbital decompression is necessary in my case? i've heard its extremely risky and the patients ive seen undergo it all had severely bugged out eyes before
 
Given the cost disparity it makes sense to try fat first and have implants later if still dissatisfied.

There are studies showing under eye fat grafting reduced scleral show a little.
while i dont have much scleral show it makes logical sense that injecting surplus fat in the under eye region would essentially have a pushing effect of the shape of the eye making it wider and less round if that makes sense. thanks for your input btw.
 
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Introduction:
This post will discuss the 2 main ways men have deep-set eyes and the surgeries needed to achieve them within a reasonable budget. As well as why fat grafting is preferable.

Eye Aesthetics

When it comes to facial attractiveness, its no debate that the eye area is the most important element of the face. The features of the eye area that are extremely difficult / costly to change with surgery are the spacing, width : height, canthus length so I will not focus on them in this thread.

The features that are easier are the upper eye lid exposure show and under eye support. When approaching surgery its important to think of the actual underlying structure that causes the eye area to be good. I'd argue that brow ridge projection and a forward maxilla or large orbital fat pads are the aspects that will lead to low UEE + strong under eye support = better eye region and should be focused on most for surgery for optimal results.

I also don't think both are necessary for a good eye area which is why you should approach your weakest one when trying to minimise the amount of hardmaxxing you are looking to do.

Feminised brow ridge but amazing orbital fat:
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Well projected brow ridge but average orbital fat:
View attachment 4657518

While improving your bones is possible: lefort, brow ridge augmentation, orbital rim implants(these only fraud better maxilla projection, doesn't correct it) surgeries and procedures changing the skull are much more costly, risky and have longer recovery times than those adding or repositioning fat. This is why I will be going through with an under eye fat graft to improve my eye area despite also lacking bone support in the maxilla.

My surgery plan

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As can be seen my eye area is pretty subhuman currently. I've got severe darkening around the entire region. I've also got extremely bad under eye hollows and high UEE. While my lack of brow ridge projection and slight recessed maxilla don't help addressing them would be much harder (for reasons outlined before) compared to a fat grafting to my under eye region. While this will definitely correct the hollows, darkening and give the appearance of better support I'm unsure of the effects it will have on my eye area as a whole.

This is the part I need advice and thoughts on. I'm looking to get as much fat as possible and hopefully this will fill the region to the point it actually makes my width : height better due to the new fat pushing up against the skin. Will this give me the appearance of having deeper set eyes? Will the excess fat actually be able to change the appearance of my eye shape?
wish you the best goodluck.
 
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thanks for the advice, do you really think orbital decompression is necessary in my case? i've heard its extremely risky and the patients ive seen undergo it all had severely bugged out eyes before
No it is not extremely risky and it is THE way to get deep set eyes, not the other things you said. And you don't need to have severely bulging/diseased eyes to get it.
 
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thanks for the advice, do you really think orbital decompression is necessary in my case? i've heard its extremely risky and the patients ive seen undergo it all had severely bugged out eyes before
it is risky, which is why you need to go with a surgeon who specialises in it.

these surgeons have an almost 0% complication rate in non-syndromic patients.

talk to doctors like taban, douglas and ramesh
 
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No it is not extremely risky and it is THE way to get deep set eyes, not the other things you said. And you don't need to have severely bulging/diseased eyes to get it.
yeah ur right, at the end of the day with my current situation i can only get surgeries to fraud deeper set eyes but it would be better in the long run to just save up and actually make them deeper set,
 
yeah ur right, at the end of the day with my current situation i can only get surgeries to fraud deeper set eyes but it would be better in the long run to just save up and actually make them deeper set,
Just make sure you get a single wall decompression, doing more than one wall is risky for non-syndromic patients
 
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it is risky, which is why you need to go with a surgeon who specialises in it.

these surgeons have an almost 0% complication rate in non-syndromic patients.

talk to doctors like taban, douglas and ramesh
Taban? Hasn't he fucked up many people? I've seen examples where he took to much bone and people's vision got fucked
 
Just make sure you get a single wall decompression, doing more than one wall is risky for non-syndromic patients
You can do fat and lateral wall fine it's not limited to just 1
 
Taban? Hasn't he fucked up many people? I've seen examples where he took to much bone and people's vision got fucked
I mean skill wise he has it, just that you need to not be uninformed and gullible if you go to him. As long as you refuse to do additional bony walls it will probably be fine, at least OD wise. I am kinda more worried about his infra implants than OD.
 
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I mean skill wise he has it, just that you need to not be uninformed and gullible if you go to him. As long as you refuse to do additional bony walls it will probably be fine, at least OD wise. I am kinda more worried about his infra implants than OD.
I get the OD part, it should just be the lateral wall only, frank had a 2 wall surgery, I assume I'll get 1 or even fat only if my case isn't severe
Also why worry for the implants? Is it the risk of infection that bothers you?
 
You can do fat and lateral wall fine it's not limited to just 1
Fat + lateral is fine yeah. By a single wall i meant just one of the orbital walls + fat (if the surgeon chooses to - not all do fat decompression with the bone)
 
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I get the OD part, it should just be the lateral wall only, frank had a 2 wall surgery, I assume I'll get 1 or even fat only if my case isn't severe
Also why worry for the implants? Is it the risk of infection that bothers you?
Because Frank had the entire implants being visible and it looked awful, even if Taban didn't harm his vision by adding the medial wall to the decompression, it would have still been an aesthetic botch because of this.

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It was off the shelf silicone which surgeons usually shave intraoperatively based on their judgement, so you would need a surgeon with good judgement. It's not like peek where the dimensions are fixed before the surgery.

And if it gets messed up this bad no amount of fat grafting is going to cover it up, you will just need it removed or modified (which is pretty easy with silicone but still).
 
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What surgeries should I get?
 
the answer here is multifold

supraorbital fat grafting + brow botox
orbital decompression
and inframalar implant with lipofilling

the best way to get deepest eyes is to move the eyes back AND move the malar region forward. otherwise it will not look natural
Who do you think does best fat grafting in europe?
 

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