Harmony calculator (including ideal ratios + score sheet)

[solodolo]

Creating Attractive’s website is down (its functionality is), and I was wondering if one of you happened to have templates for harmony calculation that include a score card and ideal ratios for measurement — something you would see Faceiq or any of those other raters utilize.

 

[NarrowBones]

It was a dogshit formula, it deducted too many points for useless shit and didn’t deduct enough for actual important stuff, most of the ideal ratios are correct though at least for white males

 

[solodolo]

It was a dogshit formula, it deducted too many points for useless shit and didn’t deduct enough for actual important stuff, most of the ideal ratios are correct though at least for white males

Interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? And is there any other rating system for harmony you use if any at all?

Is it something one should even bother calculating?

 

[pfl]

ESR: 0.443-0.477
Facial Thirds: Cant deviate by more than 3.5 from 33%, 36.5 maximum lower third height
Canthal Tilt: 5.2-8.5 ideal in caucasian men
Jaw Frontal Angle: 85-95
Ipsilateral alar angle deviation from jaw frontal angle: 2.5 at most
Ipsilateral alar angle: 85-95
Lower lip to upper lip ratio: 1.4-2
Eyebrow low setedness: 0-0.66 eye heights above the eye line
Eye aspect ratio: 2.8-3.6
Total Facial Width to Height Ratio: 1.33-1.38
FWHR: 1.9-2.06
Midface Ratio: 0.93-1.01
Eyebrow Tilt: 5-13 deg
Neck width relative to bigonial width: 90-100%
Bitemporal width: 85-95% of cheekbone width
cheekbone high setedness: Atleast 81% of midface height (at the eyeline)
Mouth to nose width: 1.38-1.53
Bigonail width: 85.5-92% of cheekbone width
Lower third proportion 30.6-34%

 

[NarrowBones]

Interesting. How did you come to that conclusion? And is there any other rating system for harmony you use if any at all?

Is it something one should even bother calculating?

For example, he said there was NO difference in terms of how big of a flaw a neutral canthal tilt is compared to a severe negative, I mean it’s just so retarded to say a neutral is just as bad as a 5 degree negative

 

[solodolo]

ESR: 0.443-0.477
Facial Thirds: Cant deviate by more than 3.5 from 33%, 36.5 maximum lower third height
Canthal Tilt: 5.2-8.5 ideal in caucasian men
Jaw Frontal Angle: 85-95
Ipsilateral alar angle deviation from jaw frontal angle: 2.5 at most
Ipsilateral alar angle: 85-95
Lower lip to upper lip ratio: 1.4-2
Eyebrow low setedness: 0-0.66 eye heights above the eye line
Eye aspect ratio: 2.8-3.6
Total Facial Width to Height Ratio: 1.33-1.38
FWHR: 1.9-2.06
Midface Ratio: 0.93-1.01
Eyebrow Tilt: 5-13 deg
Neck width relative to bigonial width: 90-100%
Bitemporal width: 85-95% of cheekbone width
cheekbone high setedness: Atleast 81% of midface height (at the eyeline)
Mouth to nose width: 1.38-1.53
Bigonail width: 85.5-92% of cheekbone width
Lower third proportion 30.6-34%

Useful ratios, but how would you sum them up for a harmony % score?

Also, of them, which do you think are the most integral? You see some people like Tom Welling have an overly flat jaw frontal angle that deviates quite a bit from his Ipsilateral alar angle but ends up with an impressive harmony score. He also has an overly compact tfwhr. Of course other measurements and features make up for that, but that’s kind of the issue I’m dealing with when it comes to harmony

It you were to go about hardmaxxing something like chin width, it could fuck up your harmony yet provide you with more dimorphism. What are some ratios you are willing to sacrifice for increases elsewhere sort of thing.

 

[solodolo]

For example, he said there was NO difference in terms of how big of a flaw a neutral canthal tilt is compared to a severe negative, I mean it’s just so retarded to say a neutral is just as bad as a 5 degree negative

That is weird. He took all his videos down or privated them so you can’t even look back at how he measured some ratios. I found myself disagreeing with some of his ratio ranges, but I’m likely just biased towards myself

 

[NarrowBones]

That is weird. He took all his videos down or privated them so you can’t even look back at how he measured some ratios. I found myself disagreeing with some of his ratio ranges, but I’m likely just biased towards myself

He was very biased towards stuff like esr, as he had slighty close set eyes himself, so he said the ideal range went down to 0.43 which is just false, yeah 43 can still look ok but it’s definitely not IDEAL. As someone with a esr in the lower ranges, I would love to say it’s ideal but the fact is wider orbitals always mog

 

[pfl]

Useful ratios, but how would you sum them up for a harmony % score?

Dont know, im still searching for the formula

Useful ratios, but how would you sum them up for a harmony % score?

Also, of them, which do you think are the most integral? You see some people like Tom Welling have an overly flat jaw frontal angle that deviates quite a bit from his Ipsilateral alar angle but ends up with an impressive harmony score.

Fwhr, tfwhr, canthal tilt, esr, chin to philtrum, bigonial width, facial thirds are the most integral from what I know/heard of

It you were to go about hardmaxxing something like chin width, it could fuck up your harmony yet provide you with more dimorphism. What are some ratios you are willing to sacrifice for increases elsewhere sort of thing.

Chin filler, or jaw implants would probably be the only ones worth it if you wanna sacrifice harmony for dimorphism. But it all depends on how your base looks

 

[solodolo]

He was very biased towards stuff like esr, as he had slighty close set eyes himself, he said the ideal range went down to 0.43 which is just false, yeah 43 can still look ok but it’s definitely not IDEAL

Midface ratio was one where he ended up favoring somewhat longer mfrs as ideal. Who knows? His research brought him to that conclusion. Some here say mfr could go as high as 1.1 and still be considered ideal without counting as a tier 2 flaw.

 

[NarrowBones]

Midface ratio was one where he ended up favoring somewhat longer mfrs as ideal. Who knows? His research brought him to that conclusion. Some here say mfr could go as high as 1.1 and still be considered ideal without counting as a tier 2 flaw.

He just so happen to have a long midface too, weird coincidence

Midface is interesting bc of how much it can completely destroy your face, yet there’s so many good looking guys with longer face shapes

 

[pfl]

Midface ratio was one where he ended up favoring somewhat longer mfrs as ideal. Who knows? His research brought him to that conclusion. Some here say mfr could go as high as 1.1 and still be considered ideal without counting as a tier 2 flaw.

0.96-1.02 is perfect for males according to faceiqs revised version of cas harmony calculator
which makes sense because those ratios arent too long or too short and feminine

 

[solodolo]

Dont know, im still searching for the formula

Fwhr, tfwhr, canthal tilt, esr, chin to philtrum, bigonial width, facial thirds are the most integral from what I know/heard of

Chin filler, or jaw implants would probably be the only ones worth it if you wanna sacrifice harmony for dimorphism. But it all depends on how your base looks

Guess we’re in the same boat. When it comes to tfwhr and facial thirds, if you’re someone who has a slightly short forehead with straight hairline but a widow’s peak ruining those measurements is it best to just shave it off for harmony % increase?

The peak is throwing it off. I’m being a bit nit picky but it seems like such a simple fix to put those in the ideal range.

 

[pfl]

Guess we’re in the same boat. When it comes to tfwhr and facial thirds, if you’re someone who has a slightly short forehead with straight hairline but a widow’s peak ruining those measurements is it best to just shave it off for harmony % increase?

The peak is throwing it off. I’m being a bit nit picky but it seems like such a simple fix to put those in the ideal range.

Are u sure it ruins the measurement?
Usually u would just measure at the top middle of the hairline
And if ur so worried about it just wear a fringe
My facial thirds would be perfect if it weren't for my upper third so I compensate by covering it

 

[solodolo]

Are u sure it ruins the measurement?
Usually u would just measure at the top middle of the hairline
And if ur so worried about it just wear a fringe
My facial thirds would be perfect if it weren't for my upper third so I compensate by covering it

If I measure from the peak as opposed to the hairline slightly above it, it does. If I measure like how you suggest, it’s more balanced/better. Just assumed that most measure from the lowest point of the hair.

 

[solodolo]

0.96-1.02 is perfect for males according to faceiqs revised version of cas harmony calculator
which makes sense because those ratios arent too long or too short and feminine

Ah, interesting. I don’t know how many times he revamped CAs formula. I just wonder how people like @Blackgymmax got a hold of a calculator to measure harmony with.

 

[pfl]

If I measure from the peak as opposed to the hairline slightly above it, it does. If I measure like how you suggest, it’s more balanced/better. Just assumed that most measure from the lowest point of the hair.

2:09 is how u measure it

 

[solodolo]

2:09 is how u measure it

Would you consider him a good rater?

 

[pfl]

Would you consider him a good rater?

Yea hes the best one right now

 

[oily703]

Yea hes the best one right now

How are you verified dude