Harmony vs Features & Measurements; Part 2

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Refer to my old thread if you want a detailed rundown on the biology of attractiveness.


This thread is going to be defining harmony and what it really is.

Features are what makes someone attractive. Wide shoulders, wide ribcage, 65mm IPD, dimorphic skull are all things that girls look for in a guy. Basically, the more dominant the body (fighting success) and the more average the cranium, the higher your attractiveness will be.

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This is where the harmony part starts.

Harmony only exists when features can't support the function of each other.

Let's take an example from the tv show Invincible. We will compare 2 different characters.

Character 1: Conquest 6'4

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Character 2: Thragg 6'10

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As we can see they both have very similar measurements in ribcage width, bi-deltoid, and waist diameter. The only difference is how their heights influence the perception of their features.

Conquest is shorter by 6 inches with a similar ribcage size leading to a stockier build which is unideal. Although his ribcage and bi-deltoid width are attractive features, his torso is not long enough to compensate which leads to a stockier build, which could impact fighting, hunting, athleticism, etc. The features don't support each other in function leading to ugly proportions and less desirable build.

If we compare to Thragg, he does have the height/torso length to compensate for the measurements, which means he can retain function of the body. This leads to a more proportional hunter-like build.

To put it into simpler words, if a feature affects the capacity for the body to function optimally, that's when "harmony" is lost.

In the cranium harmony doesn't really exist, because most features don't really effect the function of other features. The only one that I can think of off of the top of my head would be bizygomatic width, skull width, bitemporal width, and bi-gonial width since the mandible adapts to the maxilla to retain maxillomandibular function, and since the bitemporal width seems to adjust with skull and bizygomatic width; but take this with a grain of salt.

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If you look at all these models regardless of their skull width they maintain decent harmony within all 4 features.

Failure to maintain harmony within these features can cause the pinched forehead look. Failure to maintain harmony between the bizygomatic width can also cause the narrow jaw look or oversized jaw look, which are both unideal. Every face looks better with a jaw 94-100 percent the bizygomatic width (not sure of the exact number so that's the range I estimate).

Of course intracranially the body would have to maintain harmony, otherwise its function would collapse and you would die. This is good news for us since there is no intracranial aesthetics.

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Extracranial harmony doesn't really matter in most features unless you are deformed.

Thoughts? @mandiblade @Djimo @natelma0 @Daddy's Home @Lars2 @Hide
 
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basicly all facial ratios should be done with are the bizygomatic width, skull width, bitemporal width, and bi-gonial width like you stated in your thread.

stuff like mouth to nose shouldnt really exist since we know the ideals, ~40% and ~27%

i kinda choose a bad example but still, most ratios arent needed.
 
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Isnt the jaw to bizygo ideally 85-92 lol
 
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basicly all facial ratios should be done with are the bizygomatic width, skull width, bitemporal width, and bi-gonial width like you stated in your thread.

stuff like mouth to nose shouldnt really exist since we know the ideals, ~40% and ~27%

i kinda choose a bad example but still, most ratios arent needed.
Tfwhr matters tbh
 
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Refer to my old thread if you want a detailed rundown on the biology of attractiveness.


This thread is going to be defining harmony and what it really is.

Features are what makes someone attractive. Wide shoulders, wide ribcage, 65mm IPD, dimorphic skull are all things that girls look for in a guy. Basically, the more dominant the body (fighting success) and the more average the cranium, the higher your attractiveness will be.

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This is where the harmony part starts.

Harmony only exists when features can't support the function of each other.

Let's take an example from the tv show Invincible. We will compare 2 different characters.

Character 1: Conquest 6'4

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Character 2: Thragg 6'10

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As we can see they both have very similar measurements in ribcage width, bi-deltoid, and waist diameter. The only difference is how their heights influence the perception of their features.

Conquest is shorter by 6 inches with a similar ribcage size leading to a stockier build which is unideal. Although his ribcage and bi-deltoid width are attractive features, his torso is not long enough to compensate which leads to a stockier build, which could impact fighting, hunting, athleticism, etc. The features don't support each other in function leading to ugly proportions and less desirable build.

If we compare to Thragg, he does have the height/torso length to compensate for the measurements, which means he can retain function of the body. This leads to a more proportional hunter-like build.

To put it into simpler words, if a feature affects the capacity for the body to function optimally, that's when "harmony" is lost.

In the cranium harmony doesn't really exist, because most features don't really effect the function of other features. The only one that I can think of off of the top of my head would be bizygomatic width, skull width, bitemporal width, and bi-gonial width since the mandible adapts to the maxilla to retain maxillomandibular function, and since the bitemporal width seems to adjust with skull and bizygomatic width; but take this with a grain of salt.

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If you look at all these models regardless of their skull width they maintain decent harmony within all 4 features.

Failure to maintain harmony within these features can cause the pinched forehead look. Failure to maintain harmony between the bizygomatic width can also cause the narrow jaw look or oversized jaw look, which are both unideal. Every face looks better with a jaw 94-100 percent the bizygomatic width (not sure of the exact number so that's the range I estimate).

Of course intracranially the body would have to maintain harmony, otherwise its function would collapse and you would die. This is good news for us since there is no intracranial aesthetics.

View attachment 4078427 Post from RealSurgeryMax/Giant.Implants

Extracranial harmony doesn't really matter in most features unless you are deformed.

Thoughts? @mandiblade @Djimo @natelma0 @Daddy's Home @Lars2 @Hide
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