Has any user gotten lefort 3?

[rydofx]

Like has anyone gone to a blackpilled doctor and convinced them to break their face and reform it into gigachad?

 

[buckchadley31]

@USER0213 really really needs it but he's on copium 24/7

 

[rydofx]

@USER0213 really really needs it but he's on copium 24/7

@USER0213 believes he's a white chad with hunter eyes, hollowcheeks, and pct

Meanwhile is the biggest meme on the forum

Cab't escape his sub 5 fate

 

[ropemax]

"I don’t think you really understand the magnitude of a LeFort III operation. It is not simple and clean like it appears in an illustration or diagram. It is a procedure that has a lot of aesthetic trade-offs from the scalp scar down to the bony irregularities across the the nose to the cheeks. It is far from being an aesthetic operation. Because of the scope of the surgery and the numerous other issues that it causes, it is reversed for those patients in whom the magnitude of the problem makes even these aesthetic trade-offs worthwhile. (in other words they have significant functional issues) This is far from the case of a purely aesthetic patient who seeks to just have their eye appearance improved."

Dr. Barry Eppley

 

[buckchadley31]

@USER0213 believes he's a white chad with hunter eyes, hollowcheeks, and pct

Meanwhile is the biggest meme on the forum

Cab't escape his sub 5 fate

"hehe bro what do you mean I'm trucel turbo ugly subhuman shitskin faggot? Ik you're joking, stop trolling bro hehe"

 

[rydofx]

"I don’t think you really understand the magnitude of a LeFort III operation. It is not simple and clean like it appears in an illustration or diagram. It is a procedure that has a lot of aesthetic trade-offs from the scalp scar down to the bony irregularities across the the nose to the cheeks. It is far from being an aesthetic operation. Because of the scope of the surgery and the numerous other issues that it causes, it is reversed for those patients in whom the magnitude of the problem makes even these aesthetic trade-offs worthwhile. (in other words they have significant functional issues) This is far from the case of a purely aesthetic patient who seeks to just have their eye appearance improved."

Dr. Barry Eppley

over for truecells

 

[BrownBoy]

"hehe bro what do you mean I'm trucel turbo ugly subhuman shitskin faggot? Ik you're joking, stop trolling bro hehe"

I feel bad for laughing lmao

 

[rydofx]

"I don’t think you really understand the magnitude of a LeFort III operation. It is not simple and clean like it appears in an illustration or diagram. It is a procedure that has a lot of aesthetic trade-offs from the scalp scar down to the bony irregularities across the the nose to the cheeks. It is far from being an aesthetic operation. Because of the scope of the surgery and the numerous other issues that it causes, it is reversed for those patients in whom the magnitude of the problem makes even these aesthetic trade-offs worthwhile. (in other words they have significant functional issues) This is far from the case of a purely aesthetic patient who seeks to just have their eye appearance improved."

Dr. Barry Eppley

Very sad to know that you can't ascend from this

Hopefully in the future doctors will inovate different surgeries to stop incels from roping

 

[ropemax]

Very sad to know that you can't ascend from this

Hopefully in the future doctors will inovate different surgeries to stop incels from roping

There is already a theoretical solution and it's nonsurgical too. It's called an N2 micro-implant, computer generated models have shown that when you couple it with MARPE and a facemask, you can move the whole maxilla forwards and even rotate it.

 

[rydofx]

There is already a theoretical solution and it's nonsurgical too. It's called an N2 micro-implant, computer generated models have shown that when you couple it with MARPE and a facemask, you can move the whole maxilla forwards and even rotate it.

brah i have never scene a mse and facepulling result that isn't cope

 

[ropemax]

brah i have never scene a mse and facepulling result that isn't cope

Correct, that's because it's not effective. The gamechanger here is this microimplant that's implanted between the roots of your teeth and allows for facepulling with full skeletal anchorage.

This is a simulation of the protocol. Blue is the original position and the green/yellow portion is the new position into which the whole maxilla has shifted, effectively reproducing a Le Fort III advancement.

A protocol with a different force vector that on top of that achieved a full ccw rotation.

 

[rydofx]

Correct, that's because it's not effective. The gamechanger here is this microimplant that's implanted between the roots of your teeth and allows for facepulling with full skeletal anchorage.

View attachment 1436225

This is a simulation of the protocol. Blue is the original position and the green/yellow portion is the new position into which the whole maxilla has shifted, effectively reproducing a Le Fort III advancement.


View attachment 1436228

A protocol with a different force vector that on top of that achieved a full ccw rotation.

damn if this works it would be revolutionary

We need to get some people to experiment with this surgery

 

[ropemax]

damn if this works it would be revolutionary

We need to get some people to experiment with this surgery

Yes, it would.

I believe the implant is still being developed because no one has put up a clinical trial yet. I've been trying to contact Dr. Moon who wrote this study i'm referencing but he isn't responding

 

[rydofx]

Yes, it would.

I believe the implant is still being developed because no one has put up a clinical trial yet. I've been trying to contact Dr. Moon who wrote this study i'm referencing but he isn't responding

Damn. I think that mse + Bimax is the best surgery option then at this point then

If I had unlimited money I'd get mse reimplant teeth then bimax to get my jaw to it's best potential

 

[ropemax]

Damn. I think that mse + Bimax is the best surgery option then at this point then

If I had unlimited money I'd get mse reimplant teeth then bimax to get my jaw to it's best potential

Yea, unfortunately, best you can get atm is a bimax which sucks because it only addresses the lower third

 

[Deleted member 7725]

There is already a theoretical solution and it's nonsurgical too. It's called an N2 micro-implant, computer generated models have shown that when you couple it with MARPE and a facemask, you can move the whole maxilla forwards and even rotate it.

Most low IQ shit ever. Multiple people have used MSE + FM and had 0 results. It's a meme.

 

[Htobrother]

Correct, that's because it's not effective. The gamechanger here is this microimplant that's implanted between the roots of your teeth and allows for facepulling with full skeletal anchorage.

View attachment 1436225

This is a simulation of the protocol. Blue is the original position and the green/yellow portion is the new position into which the whole maxilla has shifted, effectively reproducing a Le Fort III advancement.


View attachment 1436228

A protocol with a different force vector that on top of that achieved a full ccw rotation.

Calling John mew rn

 

[Htobrother]

Most low IQ shit ever. Multiple people have used MSE + FM and had 0 results. It's a meme.

No bro actual maxillary skeletal expansion is life saver
everyone should do it tbh
Almost every chad has a slight gap between the front incisors

 

[Deleted member 7725]

No bro actual maxillary skeletal expansion is life saver

Only for transverse deficiencies. It won't do shit for recession.

 

[ropemax]

Most low IQ shit ever. Multiple people have used MSE + FM and had 0 results. It's a meme.

Read my post again, very carefully, then tag me and apologize for being a low IQ abused dog.

 

[rydofx]

No bro actual maxillary skeletal expansion is life saver

For functionality it is lifechanging

For aesthetics it is pretty much cope. I have yet to see good result aesthetically

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Read my post again, very carefully, then tag me and apologize for being a low IQ abused dog.

Wow, a computer simulation on a device that hasn't even been made yet. Will do nothing for the mandible so you'll still need surgery afterwards.

 

[Htobrother]

For functionality it is lifechanging

For aesthetics it is pretty much cope. I have yet to see good result aesthetically

Huge aesthetic benefit if you ask me
I done only rapid maxillary expander at 16 my life turned around
My breathing improve more oxygen
I couldn’t close my mouth again
My lips and whole Midface widened
eye spacing increased
My tonsils weren’t inflamed anymore not till yet no inflammation anymore
You don’t have enough knowledge tbh what expansion can do

 

[ropemax]

Wow, a computer simulation on a device that hasn't even been made yet. Also not even a lefort 3 movement, only CCW lefort.

1. FEM models are used for a reason. Give me a reason why wouldn't it work first or shut your kike mouth forever.

2. It is a Le Fort III advancement, why don't you get familiarized with the study first then come back and possibly join the discussion.

 

[Deleted member 7725]

1. FEM models are used for a reason. Give me a reason why wouldn't it work first or shut your kike mouth forever.

2. It is a Le Fort III advancement, why don't you get familiarized with the study first then come back and possibly join the discussion.

What discussion? You quote Barry Eppley, a retarded meme doctor who plays down Lefort 3 despite tons of amazing results with it so he can make money putting silicon in your face and instead push some device with a speculative computer simulation that hasn't even been tested on a single human yet.

Keep jerking off to fraudulent FEM models and let the real looksmaxxers get surgery.

 

[ropemax]

What discussion? You quote Barry Eppley, a retarded meme doctor who plays down Lefort 3 despite tons of amazing results with it so he can make money putting silicon in your face and instead push some device with a speculative computer simulation that hasn't even been tested on a single human yet.

Keep jerking off to fraudulent FEM models and let the real looksmaxxers get surgery.

Cope


N2 implant isn't even developed nor studied by Eppley. You're one amusing braindead faggot

 

[Deleted member 7725]

View attachment 1436263
Cope


N2 implant isn't even developed nor studied by Eppley. You're one amusing braindead faggot

Do you not know English? I never said Eppley made the N2 implant. I said you're quoting Barry Eppley as to why someone shouldn't get Lefort 3, who is known for butchering people's faces and making them look uncanny. Then at the same time, pushing a device which has no actual history of use and is 100% speculative. Lefort 3 has had amazing results and you're using the worst plastic surgeon to try and show why you shouldn't get it lmfao . Then your only alternative is a made up device.

You're just like all the other faggots who are too pussy to get surgery - retarded. Keep coping with your monkey studies and let the real looksmaxxers get surgery.

 

[whiteissuperior]

View attachment 1436263
Cope


N2 implant isn't even developed nor studied by Eppley. You're one amusing braindead faggot

Imagine obsessing over a theoretical micro implant that hasn’t been tried nor FDA approved, thst will probsbly take 10+ years to enter and finish clinical trials, and even then it will be Uber expensive when it first comes out,

Stop coping with tech that won’t be available til your life is already over. Just get Bimax + implants

 

[ropemax]

Do you not know English? I never said Eppley made the N2 implant.

You quote Barry Eppley, a retarded meme doctor who plays down Lefort 3 despite tons of amazing results with it so he can make money putting silicon in your face and instead push some device with a speculative computer simulation that hasn't even been tested on a single human yet.

I said you're quoting Barry Eppley as to why someone shouldn't get Lefort 3, who is known for butchering people's faces and making them look uncanny. Then at the same time, pushing a device which has no actual history of use and is 100% speculative.

Eppley is a maxfac besides being a plastic surgeon you dumbfuck. You can ask @RealSurgerymax if the quote is accurate. I'm pushing a device that has been shown to be promising.

Lefort 3 has had amazing results and you're using the worst plastic surgeon to try and show why you shouldn't get it

Amazing results on deformed Crozouns patients jfl. You won't get it, it's not an aesthetic surgery you fucking dimwit peanut. Not even a 70 yo Dr. Sinn will perform on you in his wheelchair because he would lose his license and get sued to oblivion

Then your only alternative is a made up device.

10 IQ people like you are the reason this branch of orthodontics is still in its infancy in 2021.

You're just like all the other faggots who are too pussy to get surgery - retarded.

Let me know how your Turkish Le Fort I went, you bug eyed sperged caterpillar

 

[ropemax]

Imagine obsessing over a theoretical micro implant that hasn’t been tried nor FDA approved, thst will probsbly take 10+ years to enter and finish clinical trials, and even then it will be Uber expensive when it first comes out,

Stop coping with tech that won’t be available til your life is already over. Just get Bimax + implants

Imagine just rotting here and nagging people who are looking for solutions beyond the underwhelming >100 yo surgeries jfl.

 

[Biiyo03]

Most low IQ shit ever. Multiple people have used MSE + FM and had 0 results. It's a meme.

So bimax is the best thing?

 

[rydofx]

My breathing improve more oxygen
My tonsils weren’t inflamed anymore not till yet no inflammation anymore

^is what mse can improve

Mse not rme at age 16 when ur face is still developing. I'm talking 23 + yr olds who get MSE

A 23 yr olds mse results would be cope aesthetically but health would improve

 

[Deleted member 7725]

^is what mse can improve

Mse not rme at age 16 when ur face is still developing. I'm talking 23 + yr olds who get MSE

A 23 yr olds mse results would be cope aesthetically but health would improve

How's it cope? MSE still moves bones in a similar way. No one becomes a male model off making your maxilla a few mm wider but if you have a narrow maxilla, making it normal width will improve your appearance.

So bimax is the best thing?

Yes. Bimax + mlf3/implants/zso/etc.

View attachment 1436275

Eppley is a maxfac besides being a plastic surgeon you dumbfuck. You can ask @RealSurgerymax if the quote is accurate. I'm pushing a device that has been shown to be promising.


Amazing results on deformed Crozouns patients jfl. You won't get it, it's not an aesthetic surgery you fucking dimwit peanut. Not even a 70 yo Dr. Sinn will perform on you in his wheelchair because he would lose his license and get sued to oblivion

View attachment 1436286

10 IQ people like you are the reason this branch of orthodontics is still in its infancy in 2021.

Let me know how your Turkish Le Fort I went, you bug eyed sperged caterpillar

View attachment 1436290

Yes, that's exactly what I said and you don't know enough English grammar to know what I meant lmfao.

Okay, and given Eppley's maxfac background he should know better than to stuff implants on people who are clinically and cosmetically recessed. He doesn't care and just wants to sell you custom implants. Also, bimax is also "not an aesthetic surgery" according to 99% of maxfacs. It still heavily improves aesthetics so I don't see how that's a good argument. If it can project a crouzons patient's midface forward, why wouldn't it do the same for a normally recessed person?

Dr. Sinn will perform a modified lefort 3 which accomplishes relatively the exact same thing for the upper midface aside from nasal bone projection, which non-deformed/Asian people don't need.

No, it's because of egotistical faggots like you who think you can fix everything with braces/invisalign/elastics/extractions/TADs/whatever fucking thing some orthodontist invents that just doesn't work and does more harm than good. That's why tons of people get elactics, their teeth pulled, or compensation to "fix" their bite instead of addressing the real issue. Leave the real treatments to the maxfacs who actually went to medical school and know what they're doing.

I never said anything about a Turkish Lefort 1, you can get a great bimax result and then fix your midface deficiencies via MSE for transverse growth and mlf3/implants/zso/filler.

You are just too scared to get bimax so you jerk off over a device that won't come out for another 10 years if it ever does.

 

[Biiyo03]

How's it cope? MSE still moves bones in a similar way. No one becomes a male model off making your maxilla a few mm wider but if you have a narrow maxilla, making it normal width will improve your appearance.

Yes. Bimax + mlf3/implants/zso/etc.

Yes, that's exactly what I said and you don't know enough English grammar to differentiate between them.

Okay, and given his maxfac background he should know better than to stuff implants on people who are clinically and aesthetically recessed. He doesn't care and just wants to sell you custom implants. Also, bimax is also "not an aesthetic surgery" according to 99% of maxfacs. It still heavily improves aesthetics I don't see how that's a good argument.

Dr. Sinn will perform a modified lefort 3 which accomplishes relatively the exact same thing for the upper midface aside from nasal bone projection, which non-deformed/asians don't need.

what is mlf3

lefort 3?

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Imagine just rotting here and nagging people who are looking for solutions beyond the underwhelming >100 yo surgeries jfl.

Ok, well you can keep looking but don't quote Eppley to discourage people who are actually trying to fix their issues.

 

[ropemax]

Yes, that's exactly what I said and you don't know enough English grammar to differentiate between them.

Nah, you're just indian and can't properly express yourself in a way that other people understand.

Okay, and given his maxfac background he should know better than to stuff implants on people who are clinically and aesthetically recessed. He doesn't care and just wants to sell you custom implants

Know better how? Name an alternative, there isn't one.

Also, bimax is also "not an aesthetic surgery" according to 99% of maxfacs. It still heavily improves aesthetics I don't see how that's a good argument.

Le Fort I can be planned with aesthetics in mind. If you can't differentiate between the 2 then you're just dumb

Dr. Sinn will perform a modified lefort 3 which accomplishes relatively the exact same thing for the upper midface aside from nasal bone projection, which non-deformed/Asian people don't need.

Oh yeah, let me just find $60k to drop on a Sinn surgery that no one has even got

I never said anything about a Turkish Lefort 1, you can get a great bimax result and then fix your midface deficiencies via MSE for transverse growth and mlf3/implants/zso/filler.

Jfl if you think that MSE will "fix" transverse deficiency in aby noticeable way. Implants are uncanny, ZSO is trash, fillers are temporary

You are just too scared to get bimax so you jerk off over a device that won't come out for another 10 years if it ever does.

Keep projecting and keep coping

 

[ropemax]

Ok, well you can keep looking but don't quote Eppley to discourage people who are actually trying to fix their issues.

What Eppley said is true. He could say that Le Fort III is an aesthetic miracle and you should totally get it but it wouldn't hurt his business anyway because you can't get it, even if you wanted to

 

[Deleted member 7725]

Nah, you're just indian and can't properly express yourself in a way that other people understand.


Know better how? Name an alternative, there isn't one.

Le Fort I can be planned with aesthetics in mind. If you can't differentiate between the 2 then you're just dumb

Oh yeah, let me just find $60k to drop on a Sinn surgery that no one has even got

Jfl if you think that MSE will "fix" transverse deficiency in aby noticeable way. Implants are uncanny, ZSO is trash, fillers are temporary

Keep projecting and keep coping

Every single thing you said is incorrect but it's fine, you can sit around jerking off waiting for a theoretical device to come out.

What Eppley said is true. He could say that Le Fort III is an aesthetic miracle and you should totally get it but it wouldn't hurt his business anyway because you can't get it, even if you wanted to

You can get it. There's multiple doctors who do either modified lefort 3 and/or regular lefort 3 confirmed. They're all expensive since they're fully cosmetic and out of pocket but they can technically be done. People used to say the same about OBO a year ago but multiple people have gotten it since then. There's already been a few people who have gotten modified lefort 3 and in a year, I won't be surprised if some greycels post about getting lefort 3.

 

[ropemax]

theoretical device

It's just a redesign of a microimplant that's been in use since forever

There's multiple doctors who do either modified lefort 3 and/or regular lefort 3 confirmed

What you call "ml3" is just a malar osteotomy

NO ONE WILL PERFORM A REGULAR LF3 ON YOU IF YOU'RE NOT DEFORMED. Name 1 doctor who says he will, i dare you.

Regular LF3 isn't beneficial aesthetically to someone like you and me, how many times will i have to repeat myself for your indian ratskull to understand it? What Eppley said is true, it comes with massive aesthetic downsides.

They're all expensive since they're fully cosmetic and out of pocket but they can technically be done.

Cosmetic LF3 is an oxymoron.

People used to say the same about OBO a year ago but multiple people have gotten it since then. T

False analogy fallacy, you're 12.

 

[Deleted member 8853]

Very sad to know that you can't ascend from this

Hopefully in the future doctors will inovate different surgeries to stop incels from roping

You can get a custom midface implants covering the infraorbital region too

 

[Deleted member 8853]

It's just a redesign of a microimplant that's been in use since forever

View attachment 1436358

What you call "ml3" is just a malar osteotomy

NO ONE WILL PERFORM A REGULAR LF3 ON YOU IF YOU'RE NOT DEFORMED. Name 1 doctor who says he will, i dare you.

Regular LF3 isn't beneficial aesthetically to someone like you and me, how many times will i have to repeat myself for your indian ratskull to understand it? What Eppley said is true, it comes with massive aesthetic downsides.

Cosmetic LF3 is an oxymoron.

False analogy fallacy, you're 12.

View attachment 1436365

Excuse me but my browridge exceeds my midface by protruding forward.
How am i not a good candidate for LF3?

 

[AscendingHero]

Jfl if you think that MSE will "fix" transverse deficiency in aby noticeable way.

??????????????????????
There's an MSE facebook with many good before and afters, you have to larp as a doctor to get in though.

Famous Grandma Ascencion:

@retard's thread: https://looksmax.org/threads/mse-fm-has-regained-its-position-as-the-holy-grail-of-looksmaxxing.147580/

@hairyballscel @ropemax @noprogressno @LebenistneHure @Sergio-OMS @Pantherus Link to the thread again:
https://looksmax.org/threads/mse-fm...ion-as-the-holy-grail-of-looksmaxxing.147580/

Thoughts?

 

[Deleted member 16133]

 

[noprogressno]

MSE + facemask doesn't work for protraction...
Its exteremely good for transverse deficiency tho

 

[Deleted member 4301]

Every single thing you said is incorrect but it's fine, you can sit around jerking off waiting for a theoretical device to come out.

You can get it. There's multiple doctors who do either modified lefort 3 and/or regular lefort 3 confirmed. They're all expensive since they're fully cosmetic and out of pocket but they can technically be done. People used to say the same about OBO a year ago but multiple people have gotten it since then. There's already been a few people who have gotten modified lefort 3 and in a year, I won't be surprised if some greycels post about getting lefort 3.

Who got OBO and mlf3?