having a negative orbital vector is one of the most underrated failos

[LosPollosTV]

having recessed infras/neg orbital is seriously one of the worst failos you can have

look at this guy for example:

he seriously got bimax in order to fix his recessed jaw, when he doesnt realize that his whole face is fucking recessed as shit

you can see it in the infras esp, how slanted in wards his eyes are, imo this failo easily contributes the most to having a sickly looking face
if you look at his face he just doesnt have good craniofacial development in general, high gonial angle -> short ramus -> neutral maxilla, strong brow but terrible ridge

but imo the negative orbital vector is the icing on the cake, if he would have had regular upper and lower maxila development, his other failos would make him lmtn-mtn
but as is he is definitely sub5 pre-surgery and ltn post surgery

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

yeah the recession eye bag is brutal. Been trying to find a way to kill mine for 10 years without spending 20 racks. when i finally get it done i'm definitely making a long ass thread about it

 

[LosPollosTV]

yeah the recession eye bag is brutal. Been trying to find a way to kill mine for 10 years without spending 20 racks. when i finally get it done i'm definitely making a long ass thread about it

that thread is definitely needed and i sort of have a theory for the recession eye bags and protocol but im too broke rn to start experimenting

i was really just thinking the easiest fix would likely be whatever you could use to upregulate collagen production, since im pretty sure the eyebagged look in this case is from lack of support underneath the eye causing the fat pads to sag more easily over time.

so i was thinking a couple healthy cycles of ghk-cu, as well as nuking ur dht with dutasteride to counteract the collagen lose overtime due to dht should mitigate how excessive they are when you let your undereye area get out of control over time

 

[Deleted member 160308]

that thread is definitely needed and i sort of have a theory for the recession eye bags and protocol but im too broke rn to start experimenting

i was really just thinking the easiest fix would likely be whatever you could use to upregulate collagen production, since im pretty sure the eyebagged look in this case is from lack of support underneath the eye causing the fat pads to sag more easily over time.

so i was thinking a couple healthy cycles of ghk-cu, as well as nuking ur dht with dutasteride to counteract the collagen lose overtime due to dht should mitigate how excessive they are when you let your undereye area get out of control over time

yeah bro just do peptides theory

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

That would fix the symptom but you'd have to assume it would just regenerate from lack of support in short order

These are my current plans:

1. Leverage the calorie surplus i'm on to produce levator/obi hypertrophy by stacking steel blocks on my face (seems to be working but as with most muscle gains its slow asf. Up to 2.5 kg on my cheeks rn)
2. lipus/EMF to possibly generate new bone mass (but actually getting these machines for personal use seems very hard)
3. Volufiline/dermapen to tighten up the saggy skin once support is in place

 

[LosPollosTV]

yeah bro just do peptides theory

huh? it wont get rid of them completely, u would need fat grafts for that

but it should get rid of the fine wrinkles and also the discoloration you sometimes get

 

[jeoyw9192]

That would fix the symptom but you'd have to assume it would just regenerate from lack of support in short order

These are my current plans:

1. Leverage the calorie surplus i'm on to produce levator/obi hypertrophy by stacking steel blocks on my face (seems to be working but as with most muscle gains its slow asf. Up to 2.5 kg on my cheeks rn)
2. lipus/EMF to possibly generate new bone mass (but actually getting these machines for personal use seems very hard)
3. Volufiline/dermapen to tighten up the saggy skin once support is in place

Any updates on this?

 

[karmacitathugmaxx]

Any updates on this?

still looks like fucking shit im afraid, i think the microneedling is helping a bit tho, i can make them bags mostly disappear now by lightly flexing one of my under eye muscles

will soon start a test cycle to max out remaining hypertrophy (i since got all the way up to 3 kilos), following that volufiline for fat storage (its been in my cabinet unopened for 2 years now ), and then if i can i will test out osteotron 4. hoping indiamart give me a deal if nobody on ebay pulls up