have you read a single clinical study, even in late late teens you can get up to 4mm which is significant
This is literally only observed in children. What’s the point mentally masturbating about what you could’ve done years ago?
"e. From the vertical dimension we valued areduction of the MP-SN of 3.8° (Figure 12a, Table 2). The superimposition analysis, demonstrate the orthopedic effect on the maxilla bone(advance of 3 mm)" in a 16.6 year old to 17.6 years old
genuinely, not tryinng to have a gotcha moment, is there a reason i shouldn't believe this?
Probably the worst evidence you could propose. It’s a case study so hypothesis-generating at most. Ceph landmark error tolerance is 1-2mm and 1°-ish. All valid evidence shows this is only going to matter for children.
Ok thanks that's all I was asking for, even with 1-2 errot tolerance they had 1mm growth at the worst
Your jaw will make up the missing gap. Herbst if not
Water that headgear works in young adults
Case study.
so they happened to pick the one person that got results out of the possible millions?
shit i hadn't thought of that, i though that was only for if you had a crossbite, thanks
Yes. That’s how case studies work. Why do you think Freud used only case studies? They’re cherry-picked by design for the best responders. Why else do we not infer “how often this works” on a n=1-2 paper? In any evidence hierarchy, case studies are at the very bottom.
They don't use young adults in studies. There are so many case studies and anecdotals for 18-21 year olds proving you can get decent mm of protraction with MSE+ headgea, more than reports that prove otherwise (which I haven't come across any).
I can find like 5 in a minute
I saw a tiktok clip of someone on jawhacks youtube channel who said even at 18 if worn religiously you can get like 4mm expansion so pretty good. I am getting mse soon so I'll atleast ask for that
It's not about religiously it's about the elastic force. Usually both elastics sum up to 1 kg I will personally put 1,5-2 kg because my maxilla is more resistant ofc.
If I can get my ortho to give me some type of face gear with mse what should I do to have more pull?
You don't need to he's gonna overcharge. Buy either a bow Headgear or a grummons facemask and attach strong elastics to your MSE (use a tool to measure the force). Just tell him to install the MSE with the hooks.
I haven't hit my lifetime ortho insurance so I could still have it covered, but a good thing to keep in mind. Thank you sir
Np I hope you're not larping, I'll follow you so I can ask you in some months time how it went in case you put it before me. Lmk how old you are alsoI haven't hit my lifetime ortho insurance so I could still have it covered, but a good thing to keep in mind. Thank you sir
im 17 and 7 months, so the head gear is slight larp but i will genuinely push for it with my ortho. And then the mse is very likely but my parents also said they would likely let me get it electively. But again my palate is 24mm wide as compared to the recommended 30-35 so. High hopes and ill lyk
Nice 3 months younger than me. You have to do the MSE first btw
