HEIGHTCELS GTFIH: Tamoxifen might be a good PCT after a roid cycle to avoid raping growth plates

[MA_ascender]

https://academic.oup.com/endo/article/146/3/1060/2500135

https://publications.aap.org/pediat...o-Improve-Height-Potential?redirectedFrom=PDF

@socialcel @ConfusedBolivian @ParanoidHungLatino @Sapieeen @asdvek @wastedspermcel @Rigged

 

[MA_ascender]

could testosterone become a staple in heightmaxxing cycles with this info?

 

[Orc]

PCT does nothing.

 

[MA_ascender]

PCT does nothing.

why not

 

[Orc]

why not

artificially spiking pathways to your balls doesn't actually speed up recovery, all pct is bro science.

 

[MA_ascender]

@LegitUser

 

[MA_ascender]

artificially spiking pathways to your balls doesn't actually speed up recovery, all pct is bro science.

idk

 

[pentamogged9000]

artificially spiking pathways to your balls doesn't actually speed up recovery, all pct is bro science.

Most controversial thing that I have seen you say

 

[MA_ascender]

not taking risks tho

artificially spiking pathways to your balls doesn't actually speed up recovery, all pct is bro science.

 

[Orc]

Most controversial thing that I have seen you say

it's not controversial at all, there's only one large scale study performed on pct and these were the conclusions.

Measurement 1 is the baseline measurement.

Measurement 2 took place during the cycle—recognizable by the high testosterone concentration (this study concerns only testosterone, so no trenbolone, nandrolone, etc.).

Measurement 3 reflects an average of three months since the end of the cycle. By this point, the PCT has been completed. The no-PCT group appears to have a better testosterone and sperm count during this measurement (16.3 vs. 14.4 nmol/L, and a reduction of 6.6 million moving sperm with no-PCT vs. reduction of 39.2 million moving sperm with PCT).

Measurement 4 took place on average eight months after the end of the cycle. The difference in testosterone levels between the groups has almost disappeared. The sperm count is relatively better in the no-PCT group (a reduction of 5.3 million moving sperm with no-PCT vs. reduction of 17.6 million moving sperm with PCT).

there's a follow up, a friend of mine was one of the subjects.

 

[pentamogged9000]

it's not controversial at all, there's only one large scale study performed on pct and these were the conclusions.

Measurement 1 is the baseline measurement.

Measurement 2 took place during the cycle—recognizable by the high testosterone concentration (this study concerns only testosterone, so no trenbolone, nandrolone, etc.).

Measurement 3 reflects an average of three months since the end of the cycle. By this point, the PCT has been completed. The no-PCT group appears to have a better testosterone and sperm count during this measurement (16.3 vs. 14.4 nmol/L, and a reduction of 6.6 million moving sperm with no-PCT vs. reduction of 39.2 million moving sperm with PCT).

Measurement 4 took place on average eight months after the end of the cycle. The difference in testosterone levels between the groups has almost disappeared. The sperm count is relatively better in the no-PCT group (a reduction of 5.3 million moving sperm with no-PCT vs. reduction of 17.6 million moving sperm with PCT).

What is the study?

 

[Orc]

What is the study?

you'll find it under HAARLEM study, there's some summaries on reddit.

Disruption and recovery of testicular function during and after androgen abuse: the HAARLEM study

AbstractSTUDY QUESTION. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?SUMMARY A

academic.oup.com

“We were unable to demonstrate any beneficial effect of medications referred to as PCT, therefore the use of these agents should be discouraged.”

unless you want to spit through this.


the only function of pct appears to be for withdrawal symptoms.

 

[LegitUser]

i mean you can add test during heigutmax cycle if you really want anyway by just increasing the AI dose to keep the e2 level low. Dont know why you would want to so tho, how is test beneficial during heightmaxxing?

 

[MA_ascender]

i mean you can add test during heigutmax cycle if you really want anyway by just increasing the AI dose to keep the e2 level low. Dont know why you would want to so tho, how is test beneficial during heightmaxxing?

all the reports of kids touching testogel report off the charts height growth, one even reported "sizeable" penis gains lmao

 

[MA_ascender]

i mean you can add test during heigutmax cycle if you really want anyway by just increasing the AI dose to keep the e2 level low. Dont know why you would want to so tho, how is test beneficial during heightmaxxing?

no PCT I want to do a 12 week testogel cycle putting that shit on my balls and dick (so the majority converts to dht and not estrogen, I want to see what it will do for my growth, I'll stay on ai. If it makes me grow really well like all the reports I'll stay on. Good/retarded idea?

 

[LegitUser]

all the reports of kids touching testogel report off the charts height growth, one even reported "sizeable" penis gains lmao

Was this in kids with delayed puberty / low test or healthy kids. If it was delayed / t deficient it could have been jus cuz it kickstarted puberty

 

[LegitUser]

no PCT I want to do a 12 week testogel cycle putting that shit on my balls and dick (so the majority converts to dht and not estrogen, I want to see what it will do for my growth, I'll stay on ai. If it makes me grow really well like all the reports I'll stay on. Good/retarded idea?

Just get bloods to see how much the e2 level increased by then increase the dose of AI to compensate for that

 

[MA_ascender]

Was this in kids with delayed puberty / low test or healthy kids. If it was delayed / t deficient it could have been jus cuz it kickstarted puberty

normal kids that get exposed to testogel via contact with parents

 

[LegitUser]

normal kids that get exposed to testogel via contact with parents

Age?

 

[MA_ascender]

Just get bloods to see how much the e2 level increased by then increase the dose of AI to compensate for that

feel like 0.25 would still be enough cause apparently scrotal skin converts test to dht way more than estrogen

 

[MA_ascender]

Age?

shit i think it was a 6 year old boy jfl

 

[LegitUser]

shit i think it was a 6 year old boy jfl

Yeah it probably just kickstarted puberty then