heightmaxxing is cope?

[truecel12]

Final height of short normal children treated with growth hormone - PubMed

Long-term therapy in this group of children appears safe but the small increment in final height, approximately 2.8 cm in boys and 2.5 cm in girls, does not justify the widespread use of r-hGH for short normal children.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

only 1inch gain

Combination therapy with GH and cyproterone acetate does not improve final height in boys with non-GH-deficient short stature - PubMed

GH therapy during the prepubertal period did not improve the final height of boys with non-GH-deficient short stature. GH therapy without GS decreased pubertal height gain, resulting in reduced final height. Combination therapy with GH and GS using cyproterone acetate decelerated the bone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

gh without gs means reduced adult height
did not increase adult height

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

We report the effect of growth hormone (GH) treatment for 4 to 10 years in 15 prepubertal non-GH-deficient short children (10 boys, 5 girls, aged 7.4 to 13.2 years). In 7 patients, GH was administered at a dosage of 0.5 U/kg per week (group 1: 4 boys, 3 girls) and in 8 patients (group 2: 6 boys...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

admittedly this isnt a full study, just an abstract,
but found no results with gh.

Unfavorable effects of growth hormone therapy on the final height of boys with short stature not caused by growth hormone deficiency - PubMed

A group of 18 boys with non-growth hormone (GH)-deficient short stature without GH therapy (group A) and another group of 9 boys with non-GH-deficient short stature with GH therapy in doses of 0.5 IU (0.17 mg)/kg per week administered 5 to 6 times weekly (group B) were observed until they...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

again, just an extract.
" Our observation indicates that for boys with non-GH-deficient short stature GH therapy does not improve height SDS for bone age during the prepubertal period, and in fact reduces it during the pubertal period, possibly resulting in a shorter final height than might have been attained naturally."

@Osie @barnmatrix @tempelcat4 @IndraBC @Vista

 

[tigrxs]

yes, dont trust people who say otherwise

 

[asdvek]

yeah man heightmaxxing is cope all you can do is eat healthy sleep well and exercise

 

[mogpending]

using an AI such as arimidex for height is not cope

 

[benchlordthethird]

Final height of short normal children treated with growth hormone - PubMed

Long-term therapy in this group of children appears safe but the small increment in final height, approximately 2.8 cm in boys and 2.5 cm in girls, does not justify the widespread use of r-hGH for short normal children.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

only 1inch gain

Combination therapy with GH and cyproterone acetate does not improve final height in boys with non-GH-deficient short stature - PubMed

GH therapy during the prepubertal period did not improve the final height of boys with non-GH-deficient short stature. GH therapy without GS decreased pubertal height gain, resulting in reduced final height. Combination therapy with GH and GS using cyproterone acetate decelerated the bone...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

gh without gs means reduced adult height
did not increase adult height

Final height after growth hormone therapy in non-growth-hormone-deficient children with short stature - PubMed

We report the effect of growth hormone (GH) treatment for 4 to 10 years in 15 prepubertal non-GH-deficient short children (10 boys, 5 girls, aged 7.4 to 13.2 years). In 7 patients, GH was administered at a dosage of 0.5 U/kg per week (group 1: 4 boys, 3 girls) and in 8 patients (group 2: 6 boys...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

admittedly this isnt a full study, just an abstract,
but found no results with gh.

Unfavorable effects of growth hormone therapy on the final height of boys with short stature not caused by growth hormone deficiency - PubMed

A group of 18 boys with non-growth hormone (GH)-deficient short stature without GH therapy (group A) and another group of 9 boys with non-GH-deficient short stature with GH therapy in doses of 0.5 IU (0.17 mg)/kg per week administered 5 to 6 times weekly (group B) were observed until they...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

again, just an extract.
" Our observation indicates that for boys with non-GH-deficient short stature GH therapy does not improve height SDS for bone age during the prepubertal period, and in fact reduces it during the pubertal period, possibly resulting in a shorter final height than might have been attained naturally."

@Osie @barnmatrix @tempelcat4 @IndraBC @Vista

just take arimidex so u can keep growth plates open so in theory can go grow taller

 

[truecel12]

using an AI such as arimidex for height is not cope

just take arimidex so u can keep growth plates open so in theory can go grow taller

even then, didnt @MTMM blast only to get 1-2 inches?

 

[benchlordthethird]

even then, didnt @MTMM blast only to get 1-2 inches?

arimidex keeps growth plates open as long as ur on it, look at aromatase deficient men where growth plate fusion is impossible under 20pg/ml.

 

[tigrxs]

even then, didnt @MTMM blast only to get 1-2 inches?

The thing is you can't tell if growth is natural or from the HGH, the only way to tell is by comparing it to your predicted height.

 

[truecel12]

The thing is you can't tell if growth is natural or from the HGH, the only way to tell is by comparing it to your predicted height.

maybe they could be right. aromatase inhibitors work in theory. all the studies i have seen showing that gh gives either no results or only an inch of height augmentation they dont use an ai.
in my second study, they used a GS (gonad suppressor) and their height SDS increased (used from age 12-14). however, they chose to stop gs treatment and their SDS gradually decreased and they ended up in their originally predicted HSDS.

 

[truecel12]

tbh heightmaxxing would theoretically work for a normie
take average height, 5'9-5'10
take glucosamine and deadhangs and perfect posture, 5'10-5'11.
fraud with lifts, big hair, etc, 5'11-6'0

 

[tigrxs]

maybe they could be right. aromatase inhibitors work in theory. all the studies i have seen showing that gh gives either no results or only an inch of height augmentation they dont use an ai.
in my second study, they used a GS (gonad suppressor) and their height SDS increased (used from age 12-14). however, they chose to stop gs treatment and their SDS gradually decreased and they ended up in their originally predicted HSDS.

they probably wont do a study on it because testing on children is seen as unethical

 

[truecel12]

they probably wont do a study on it because testing on children is seen as unethical

letting somebody be 5'6 is unethical

 

[truecel12]

they probably wont do a study on it because testing on children is seen as unethical

[Aromatase inhibitors combined with growth hormone in treatment of adolescent boys with short stature] - PubMed

AI combined with rhGH can delay the growth of BA and effectively improve the PAH of adolescent boys with larger bone age. However, the occurrence of adverse reactions of AI should be closely monitored during treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

AI combined with rhGH can delay the growth of BA and effectively improve the PAH of adolescent boys with larger bone age. However, the occurrence of adverse reactions of AI should be closely monitored during treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10140494/

Both AIs and GnRHa monotherapy were effective in augmenting the final height of boys with idiopathic short stature when compared to placebo groups. However, there was no statistical difference between the GnRHa and AI treatments.

 

[tigrxs]

[Aromatase inhibitors combined with growth hormone in treatment of adolescent boys with short stature] - PubMed

AI combined with rhGH can delay the growth of BA and effectively improve the PAH of adolescent boys with larger bone age. However, the occurrence of adverse reactions of AI should be closely monitored during treatment.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

AI combined with rhGH can delay the growth of BA and effectively improve the PAH of adolescent boys with larger bone age. However, the occurrence of adverse reactions of AI should be closely monitored during treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10140494/

Both AIs and GnRHa monotherapy were effective in augmenting the final height of boys with idiopathic short stature when compared to placebo groups. However, there was no statistical difference between the GnRHa and AI treatments.

idiopathic short stature

 

[FrenchChad]

idiopathic short stature

It means that they are genetically short without some sort of deficiency, just like the average heightmaxxer here.

 

[Deleted member 51465]

It’s cope

 

[Deleted member 57356]

they need rhigf-1 treatment

 

[FrenchChad]

But yes, HGH can sometimes give modest results, so it's important to have reasonable expectations if you go down that route. On the other hand, most studies in which AI was used show an increase in PAH.

Aromatase-deficient boys always reach a relatively tall stature, for instance, despite not necessarily being predisposed to it. I recall a study where AD boys, despite some of them suffering from GHD (which should have capped them at a sub-5'7 height most likely), still reached a height of 6'+ due to a longer growth period and other growth factors (e.g., insulin).

I found the study :

In aromatase-deficient men, GH response to potent provocative stimuli is impaired and is not restored by exogenous estrogens. Furthermore, a tall stature may be reached, notwithstanding the coexistence of GHD, if a prolonged time for growth is available due to a delay in bone maturation, and other growth factors different from GH (mainly insulin) promote growth.

Tall Stature without Growth Hormone: Four Male Patients with Aromatase Deficiency

GH secretion is impaired in aromatase-deficient men and is not restored by exogenous estrogens; tall stature is due to unfused epiphyses and other growth f

academic.oup.com

The usage of an AI might be the best bet if you want to outgrow your genetic limit.

 

[truecel12]

But yes, HGH can sometimes give modest results, so it's important to have reasonable expectations if you go down that route. On the other hand, most studies in which AI was used show an increase in PAH.

Aromatase-deficient boys always reach a relatively tall stature, for instance, despite not necessarily being predisposed to it. I recall a study where AD boys, despite some of them suffering from GHD (which should have capped them at a sub-5'7 height most likely), still reached a height of 6'+ due to a longer growth period and other growth factors (e.g., insulin).

I found the study :

Tall Stature without Growth Hormone: Four Male Patients with Aromatase Deficiency

GH secretion is impaired in aromatase-deficient men and is not restored by exogenous estrogens; tall stature is due to unfused epiphyses and other growth f

academic.oup.com

The usage of an AI might be the best bet if you want to outgrow your genetic limit.

thanks for your input, very interesting

 

[Mezo103]

Only LL is not cope

 

[truecel12]

Only LL is not cope

only roping isnt cope

 

[tigrxs]

But yes, HGH can sometimes give modest results, so it's important to have reasonable expectations if you go down that route. On the other hand, most studies in which AI was used show an increase in PAH.

Aromatase-deficient boys always reach a relatively tall stature, for instance, despite not necessarily being predisposed to it. I recall a study where AD boys, despite some of them suffering from GHD (which should have capped them at a sub-5'7 height most likely), still reached a height of 6'+ due to a longer growth period and other growth factors (e.g., insulin).

I found the study :

Tall Stature without Growth Hormone: Four Male Patients with Aromatase Deficiency

GH secretion is impaired in aromatase-deficient men and is not restored by exogenous estrogens; tall stature is due to unfused epiphyses and other growth f

academic.oup.com

The usage of an AI might be the best bet if you want to outgrow your genetic limit.

that study has 4 people

 

[truecel12]

that study has 4 people

its still useful bro. good luck finding ad people

also, could you provide a study or an explanation with evidence why you think hgh + ai is cope?

 

[FrenchChad]

that study has 4 people

Aromatase deficiency is a very rare condition, so obviously you won't find many people who suffers from this.
However tall stature is almost a universal feature of that condition, same for klinefelter's syndrome for different reasons (they have low t levels thus they also have low e2 levels).

Aromatase deficiency - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[FrenchChad]

For the treatment of boys with short stature and/or delayed puberty, considerable evidence indicates that aromatase inhibitors effectively delay bone maturation and thereby increase PAH.8–11,97 When compared with GnRH analogues, advantages of aromatase inhibitors include that pubertal development and growth spurt are less affected, which is expected to have positive effects on psychosocial wellbeing

https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/pedsendo/documents/research/Aromatase/aromatase%20inhibitor%20review.pdf

From a full review on the use of aromatase inhibitors in pediatrics.

 

[truecel12]

Aromatase deficiency is a very rare condition, so obviously you won't find many people who suffers from this.
However tall stature is almost a universal feature of that condition, same for klinefelter's syndrome for different reasons (they have low t levels thus they also have low e2 levels).

Aromatase deficiency - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

would rather be 5'8 than klinefelteres

 

[tigrxs]

https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/pedsendo/documents/research/Aromatase/aromatase%20inhibitor%20review.pdf

From a full review on the use of aromatase inhibitors in pediatrics.

For the treatment of boys with short stature and/or delayed puberty

 

[tigrxs]

its still useful bro. good luck finding ad people

also, could you provide a study or an explanation with evidence why you think hgh + ai is cope?

This isn't studied enough, can't really find anything on it that isn't about people with short stature and all of them are old, the one mentioned in this thread is over 10 years old.

 

[FrenchChad]

https://med.stanford.edu/content/dam/sm/pedsendo/documents/research/Aromatase/aromatase inhibitor review.pdf
From a full review on the use of aromatase inhibitors in pediatrics.

For the treatment of boys with short stature and/or delayed puberty

It basically shows that it works for the average heightmaxxer (short stature here = ISS), what matters isn't that they are short but that they doesn't have a rare condition that induced their height, from that you can draw the conclusion that it'll work regardless of your height.
You basically disproved nothing since the beginning of this thread jfl, i agree that HGH can give modests/unsatisfactory results sometimes but it isn't cope nor are AIs, as showed by the several studies linked above your post.

 

[tigrxs]

It basically shows that it works for the average heightmaxxer (short stature here = ISS), what matters isn't that they are short but that they doesn't have a rare condition that induced their height, from that you can draw the conclusion that it'll work regardless of your height.
You basically disproved nothing since the beginning of this thread jfl, i agree that HGH can give modests/unsatisfactory results sometimes but it isn't cope nor are AIs, as showed by the several studies linked above your post.

1. HGH doesn't work the thread has proof it doesn't

2. idiopathic short stature

 

[tigrxs]

didn't work, the one who took a placebo got closer to their predicted adult height

 

[tigrxs]

heightmaxxing is cope

 

[Deleted member 45794]

Taking hormones and peptides is stupid.

Just bonesmash the top of your head and listen to subliminals

 

[FrenchChad]

HGH doesn't work In anyone that isn't deficient, the thread contains proof already


You have to prove things, not someone else have to disprove it and your "proof" contains the words "short stature", which seem to appear in every study that shows heightmaxxing works.

I already did which you would know if you did read the studies linked, my main point was that AI (+HGH eventually, i already insisted on the fact that HGH gains can be modest especially if used alone since hgh increases bone age) can make you surpass your genetic limit.
Obviously doctors won't prescribe HGH/AI to normal-sized childs, you are unable to understand that it working on ISS childs means that it works without the presence of any syndrome since they are healthy, simply short.

Another study that shows that it effectively increases height for ISS childs :

Absolute height change was: AI, +18.2 (1.6) cm; GH, +20.6 (1.5) cm; AI/GH, +22.5 (1.4) cm (P = .01) (expected height gain at -2.0 height SDS, +13.0 cm). AI/GH had higher fat free mass accrual. Measures of bone health, safety labs, and adverse events were similar in all groups. Letrozole caused higher T and lower estradiol than anastrozole.

Conclusions: Combination therapy with AI/GH increases height potential in pubertal boys with ISS more than GH and AI alone treated for 24-36 months with a strong safety profile.

Randomized Trial of Aromatase Inhibitors, Growth Hormone, or Combination in Pubertal Boys with Idiopathic, Short Stature - PubMed

Combination therapy with AI/GH increases height potential in pubertal boys with ISS more than GH and AI alone treated for 24-36 months with a strong safety profile.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You can keep coping if you want but anyone reading this thread would understand the point of using AIs and eventually HGH.

 

[tigrxs]

I already did which you would know if you did read the studies linked, my main point was that AI (+HGH eventually, i already insisted on the fact that HGH gains can be modest especially if used alone since hgh increases bone age) can make you surpass your genetic limit.
Obviously doctors won't prescribe HGH/AI to normal-sized childs, you are unable to understand that it working on ISS childs means that it works without the presence of any syndrome since they are healthy, simply short.

Another study that shows that it effectively increases height for ISS childs :

Randomized Trial of Aromatase Inhibitors, Growth Hormone, or Combination in Pubertal Boys with Idiopathic, Short Stature - PubMed

Combination therapy with AI/GH increases height potential in pubertal boys with ISS more than GH and AI alone treated for 24-36 months with a strong safety profile.

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

You can keep coping if you want but anyone reading this thread would understand the point of using AIs and eventually HGH.

Stop linking shit with ISS you retard and them growing quicker doesn't mean anything, what matters is their final height.

you can't pass your genetic limit and im not responding to this anymore

 

[mathis]

just take arimidex so u can keep growth plates open so in theory can go grow taller

Wouldnt it also reduce growth velocity tho? I may be wrong

 

[Deleted member 31971]

Using ai alone has chances for bone loss

 

[FrenchChad]

Stop linking shit with ISS you retard and them growing quicker doesn't mean anything, what matters is their final height.

ISS is the most pertinent case when it comes to heightmaxxing due to them being healthy as i said earlier and PAH is the most reliable predictor/indicator of FAH, which increased.

you can't pass your genetic limit and im not responding to this anymore

I already proved that AIs at least can make you surpass your genetic limit as showed by the case of AD men and studies on the use of AIs in pediatrics.
Goodbye and good luck then.

 

[Deleted member 65658]

Heightmaxxing only works if you're deficient in growth hormone, otherwise for the most part it's cope

 

[Deleted member 27550]

Just stretch and induce microfractures. That’s all you can do.

 

[truecel12]

Just stretch and induce microfractures. That’s all you can do.

do you have proof for microfractures? never heard of it before

 

[ParanoidHungLatino]

ISS is the most pertinent case when it comes to heightmaxxing due to them being healthy as i said earlier and PAH is the most reliable predictor/indicator of FAH, which increased.

I already proved that AIs at least can make you surpass your genetic limit as showed by the case of AD men and studies on the use of AIs in pediatrics.
Goodbye and good luck then.

Brother, loved your posts. I am suffering a lot nowadays, all mental. I always knew the importance of height, but my parents treated it as stupidity and I spend all my teenage years just doing basic heightmaxxing, not actually using AIs. I was tested for HGH and was normal range. I am 20yo and only 5'6.5, 5'5 father with 5'4 mom. How do I cope with that? Do I need LL?

AIs makes me happy because at least my sons will be tall regardless of how tall is my future wife, since I will give them AIs from 14yo to 20yo. Guaranteed to be tall. But how can I forgive myself from doing such an amateur mistake? I didnt pay attention and now my plates are closed. They closed when I was 19yo. Is suicide the only option?

 

[FrenchChad]

Brother, loved your posts. I am suffering a lot nowadays, all mental. I always knew the importance of height, but my parents treated it as stupidity and I spend all my teenage years just doing basic heightmaxxing, not actually using AIs. I was tested for HGH and was normal range. I am 20yo and only 5'6.5, 5'5 father with 5'4 mom. How do I cope with that? Do I need LL?

AIs makes me happy because at least my sons will be tall regardless of how tall is my future wife, since I will give them AIs from 14yo to 20yo. Guaranteed to be tall. But how can I forgive myself from doing such an amateur mistake? I didnt pay attention and now my plates are closed. They closed when I was 19yo. Is suicide the only option?

At your age LL is indeed the only option, luckily it is becoming safer and safer as time passes (it's almost a normie-tier surgery nowadays jfl).
AIs might make them surpass their genetic potential but genes remains (same for everything else when it comes to looks) the most important component, so ideally go for a tall wife (they are actually less picky than shorter girls due to lower SMV).
Forget about suicide if you aren't truecel-tier in looks, LL is a reasonable option imo that could bring you into average/a bit above average (if you live in the US) range, enough to negates the height failo you're suffering from.

 

[Deleted member 27550]

do you have proof for microfractures? never heard of it before

No proof but I’ve heard people say it works. The theory/science behind it makes sense

 

[klamus]

Join The 2024 LL gang!

 

[danielrjsha]

50/50 chance

 

[ParanoidHungLatino]

At your age LL is indeed the only option, luckily it is becoming safer and safer as time passes (it's almost a normie-tier surgery nowadays jfl).
AIs might make them surpass their genetic potential but genes remains (same for everything else when it comes to looks) the most important component, so ideally go for a tall wife (they are actually less picky than shorter girls due to lower SMV).
Forget about suicide if you aren't truecel-tier in looks, LL is a reasonable option imo that could bring you into average/a bit above average (if you live in the US) range, enough to negates the height failo you're suffering from.

I am a Brazilian guy. My face is quite similar to Alex Wolff face, but a bit more latino looking. I have a head full of curly hair and no signs of balding. Tanned skin and 7 inchx5.5 cock. The other issue is I am framelet. I weight only 120lbs and my wrist are 6 inch or 5.9 (yeah, its pathetic). I am thinking about roiding on Anavar, since Anavar apparently has low chances of hairloss. What do you think? I would send you my face but I wont do it here where the entire world can see. But I am definetely not truecel face.

 

[FrenchChad]

I am a Brazilian guy. My face is quite similar to Alex Wolff face, but a bit more latino looking. I have a head full of curly hair and no signs of balding. Tanned skin and 7 inchx5.5 cock. The other issue is I am framelet. I weight only 120lbs and my wrist are 6 inch or 5.9 (yeah, its pathetic). I am thinking about roiding on Anavar, since Anavar apparently has low chances of hairloss. What do you think? I would send you my face but I wont do it here where the entire world can see. But I am definetely not truecel face.

My PMs are open if you want, bro.
Why not for the roids, anyway if you're scared about a potential hair loss you could still use RU and be relatively fine, if you don't have bald relatives you should be fine.
Regardless, if i was you i would heavily consider LL in the future tbh.

 

[ParanoidHungLatino]

My PMs are open if you want, bro.
Why not for the roids, anyway if you're scared about a potential hair loss you could still use RU and be relatively fine, if you don't have bald relatives you should be fine.
Regardless, if i was you i would heavily consider LL in the future tbh.

I DMed you bro. Some pics of my face. I have good teeth though although I am not smiling in any of the pictures. What is RU?

 

[benchlordthethird]

Wouldnt it also reduce growth velocity tho? I may be wrong

nah hgh and igf1 determines that pretty sure