Hierarchy in military dominance (history ranking)

[Jason Voorhees]

 

[Deleted member 8244]

usa is too accurate we're all fat here

 

[Selfahate]

U ignored the Russians basted

 

[Albeacho]

Iran should be in high tier

 

[Jason Voorhees]

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[Deleted member 13197]

China is soon to be god tier, no one in the world knows the extent of their technology yet, China is keeping it secret on purpose. And when they unleash no country will be ready

 

[AcneScars]

Germany should be lower. It’s massively overrated by everyone

 

[Wallenberg]

Germany should be lower. It’s massively overrated by everyone

They were good in WW2 in terms of tactics and equipment but their grand strategy sucked.

 

[Merćer]

USA is overrated, they spend billions of dollars but cannot send the taliban on its knees.

 

[AlexAP]

Italian tier: What a shame.

Imagine what the Romans would have thought about the Italians.

 

[Wallenberg]

I don't see how Canada belongs to the high tier. I don't see Poland belonging to a decent tier. Argentina doesn't belong to the decent tier, they even managed to lose the Falklands War when the island is next to their country while the UK is on another side of the planet. Meanwhile you list losing winter was as a negative for Finland when Russians clearly outnumbered Finland in terms of manpower, tanks, and airplanes.

 

[Deleted member 12002]

USA during Teddy Roosavelt's day was at the top.

 

[AcneScars]

They were good in WW2 in terms of tactics and equipment but their grand strategy sucked.

Lol no. Germany was never going to win WW2
This is a myth- plain and simple. Here is the truth.

1. Germany invades Poland: The Poles actually hold out well and the Germans take higher losses than expected. The Poles were pretty happy with their defense, and then out of the blue, the USSR invades Poland from the East- ending the war. Germany did not do that well, the invasion largely worked thanks to the Russian betrayal.
2. Germany invades Denmark: I could invade Denmark
3. Germany invades Norway: Wow, you beat Norway. With all 10 of their soldiers- good for you (they lost half their surface fleet to do it too)
4. Germany invades France: France actually gets unlucky considering they arguably have a more powerful military. The Germans gamble and send their armored divisions through the Ardennes forest. The Allies knew the Germans would invade through Belgium but thought the Ardennes was impossible to cross. Once the Panzer Divisions emerged from the forest they could head to Paris at full speed- having no infantry attached to slow them down. The French have to pull back to avoid being flanked and the war is lost. It was a brilliant and risky gamble that paid off- not military domination.
5. Germany helps invade Greece and Yugoslavia: Again, neither are impressive
6. Germany then invades the USSR: This goes well at first but not because Germany is so great. The Russians were refitting and way out of date. They had almost lost a war to Finland and Stalin had “purged” the army of its best officers. When the USSR start appointed officers based on skill rather than loyalty, got their production base in gear and updated their equipment the war shifted radically in their favor.

Germany was never that great. They had a large and well-equipped military that was forward-thinking in terms of how to use armored divisions but it was no stronger in terms of raw power than France or the UK.

They conquered a bunch of small nations with practically no military. Is conquering Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece, Denmark, and Norway supposed to be impressive? They got lucky with France and won the day thanks to Russia with Poland.

The Germans miserably failed to conquer the UK, mostly because of their horribly weak Navy, lack of supplies, and terrible planning.

Then when Germany came up against a strong nation, the USSR, they lose. They do well at first because Russia was in a weakened state but once Russia got its act together they pushed the Germans back clear to Berlin.

• German planning was weak
• Germany was short on resources almost the whole war
• Germany lacked a strong wartime production base like the USSR and USA
• The German navy was terrible and unable to protect its shores or trade in any way
• The Panzer IV was a fine tank- but no better than the Sherman or the T-34. The “great” German tanks were horribly unreliable, guzzled gas (which Germany was out of), and slow to produce. Sure the King Tiger tank was a great tank- but most were found out of gas on the side of the road or broken down.

Germany was not a 1000 year Reich nor did it possess an unstoppable military machine. They got squashed by the allies.

 

[AlexAP]

"Argentina: most skilled black nation"

WTF???!!!!

 

[Wallenberg]

This makes me want to play Hearts of Iron. Are there new HoI games coming out?

 

[Deleted member 12002]

China is soon to be god tier, no one in the world knows the extent of their technology yet, China is keeping it secret on purpose. And when they unleash no country will be ready

I'd say I'd have to disagree. The only thing the Chinese can rule is it's own people, or those who are like them.

They will never be able to rule others through diplomacy (soft power), or brute force.

 

[Deleted member 13197]

I'd say I'd have to disagree. The only thing the Chinese can rule is it's own people, or those who are like them.

They will never be able to rule others through diplomacy (soft power), or brute force.

Damn that’s good to hear, everyone is saying China will take over the globe and that no one has seen the true extent of their power/control

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Iran should be in high tier

In 2002, the U.S. Military Conducted an Iran War Simulation. Iran Won.

How would this play out in real life?

nationalinterest.org

 

[Blue]

I really hope this is a meme chart. Sad @Maesthetic isn't here, even though people dislike him he knew his shit about history. Also lol at Israel having 3 -, yet being so high up due to direct US supply.

 

[Wallenberg]

I really hope this is a meme chart. Sad @Maesthetic isn't here, even though people dislike him he knew his shit about history. Also lol at Israel having 3 -, yet being so high up due to direct US supply.

Israel has by far the best military in its region. Love IDF girls.

 

[Blue]

Love IDF girls.

Some are really hot ngl. There's a lot of women in Israel's military

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Iran mogs

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Lol no. Germany was never going to win WW2
This is a myth- plain and simple. Here is the truth.

1. Germany invades Poland: The Poles actually hold out well and the Germans take higher losses than expected. The Poles were pretty happy with their defense, and then out of the blue, the USSR invades Poland from the East- ending the war. Germany did not do that well, the invasion largely worked thanks to the Russian betrayal.
2. Germany invades Denmark: I could invade Denmark
3. Germany invades Norway: Wow, you beat Norway. With all 10 of their soldiers- good for you (they lost half their surface fleet to do it too)
4. Germany invades France: France actually gets unlucky considering they arguably have a more powerful military. The Germans gamble and send their armored divisions through the Ardennes forest. The Allies knew the Germans would invade through Belgium but thought the Ardennes was impossible to cross. Once the Panzer Divisions emerged from the forest they could head to Paris at full speed- having no infantry attached to slow them down. The French have to pull back to avoid being flanked and the war is lost. It was a brilliant and risky gamble that paid off- not military domination.
5. Germany helps invade Greece and Yugoslavia: Again, neither are impressive
6. Germany then invades the USSR: This goes well at first but not because Germany is so great. The Russians were refitting and way out of date. They had almost lost a war to Finland and Stalin had “purged” the army of its best officers. When the USSR start appointed officers based on skill rather than loyalty, got their production base in gear and updated their equipment the war shifted radically in their favor.

Germany was never that great. They had a large and well-equipped military that was forward-thinking in terms of how to use armored divisions but it was no stronger in terms of raw power than France or the UK.

They conquered a bunch of small nations with practically no military. Is conquering Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece, Denmark, and Norway supposed to be impressive? They got lucky with France and won the day thanks to Russia with Poland.

The Germans miserably failed to conquer the UK, mostly because of their horribly weak Navy, lack of supplies, and terrible planning.

Then when Germany came up against a strong nation, the USSR, they lose. They do well at first because Russia was in a weakened state but once Russia got its act together they pushed the Germans back clear to Berlin.

• German planning was weak
• Germany was short on resources almost the whole war
• Germany lacked a strong wartime production base like the USSR and USA
• The German navy was terrible and unable to protect its shores or trade in any way
• The Panzer IV was a fine tank- but no better than the Sherman or the T-34. The “great” German tanks were horribly unreliable, guzzled gas (which Germany was out of), and slow to produce. Sure the King Tiger tank was a great tank- but most were found out of gas on the side of the road or broken down.

Germany was not a 1000 year Reich nor did it possess an unstoppable military machine. They got squashed by the allies.

How do you know so much about ww2?

 

[AcneScars]

How do you know so much about ww2?

A lot of reading. The reply that you quoted is actually an answer written by someone else but Nazi Germany being some sort of a military powerhouse is simply propaganda. The Germans were talented propagandists- any historian will agree there. Hitler was the real-life “big brother” and the media image of the Nazi regime was presented always positively to the German people.

When the war ended 3 things happened

1. Nazi generals wrote books where they present wacky myths and deflect all blame
2. German propaganda survives and becomes popular more or less because it is interesting
3. WW2 becomes the most popular topic in all of history. Millions of amateur and untrained historians start watching documentaries and forming opinions

This all combined to create the myth of Nazi Germany. What myth is that?

Nazi Germany was a fearsome military powerhouse. They had powerful cutting-edge tanks, brilliant generals, and advanced tactical strategies. They humiliated Poland, France, and all of Europe using their advanced and powerful military. In all, they were a nearly unstoppable Empire that we were lucky to defeat.

 

[redfacccee]

as much as i hate jews they probably have the most skilled army atm

 

[Cigarette]

uk is extremely accurate its funny

 

[TsarTsar444]

Lol no. Germany was never going to win WW2
This is a myth- plain and simple. Here is the truth.

1. Germany invades Poland: The Poles actually hold out well and the Germans take higher losses than expected. The Poles were pretty happy with their defense, and then out of the blue, the USSR invades Poland from the East- ending the war. Germany did not do that well, the invasion largely worked thanks to the Russian betrayal.
2. Germany invades Denmark: I could invade Denmark
3. Germany invades Norway: Wow, you beat Norway. With all 10 of their soldiers- good for you (they lost half their surface fleet to do it too)
4. Germany invades France: France actually gets unlucky considering they arguably have a more powerful military. The Germans gamble and send their armored divisions through the Ardennes forest. The Allies knew the Germans would invade through Belgium but thought the Ardennes was impossible to cross. Once the Panzer Divisions emerged from the forest they could head to Paris at full speed- having no infantry attached to slow them down. The French have to pull back to avoid being flanked and the war is lost. It was a brilliant and risky gamble that paid off- not military domination.
5. Germany helps invade Greece and Yugoslavia: Again, neither are impressive
6. Germany then invades the USSR: This goes well at first but not because Germany is so great. The Russians were refitting and way out of date. They had almost lost a war to Finland and Stalin had “purged” the army of its best officers. When the USSR start appointed officers based on skill rather than loyalty, got their production base in gear and updated their equipment the war shifted radically in their favor.

Germany was never that great. They had a large and well-equipped military that was forward-thinking in terms of how to use armored divisions but it was no stronger in terms of raw power than France or the UK.

They conquered a bunch of small nations with practically no military. Is conquering Belgium, Luxembourg, Greece, Denmark, and Norway supposed to be impressive? They got lucky with France and won the day thanks to Russia with Poland.

The Germans miserably failed to conquer the UK, mostly because of their horribly weak Navy, lack of supplies, and terrible planning.

Then when Germany came up against a strong nation, the USSR, they lose. They do well at first because Russia was in a weakened state but once Russia got its act together they pushed the Germans back clear to Berlin.

• German planning was weak
• Germany was short on resources almost the whole war
• Germany lacked a strong wartime production base like the USSR and USA
• The German navy was terrible and unable to protect its shores or trade in any way
• The Panzer IV was a fine tank- but no better than the Sherman or the T-34. The “great” German tanks were horribly unreliable, guzzled gas (which Germany was out of), and slow to produce. Sure the King Tiger tank was a great tank- but most were found out of gas on the side of the road or broken down.

Germany was not a 1000 year Reich nor did it possess an unstoppable military machine. They got squashed by the allies.

God you are wrong

1. Absolutely not true on Poland, they were in front of Warsaw already before the Soviets attacked, don't understand how would they not conquered the Poles, sure maybe it would take slightly longer but they would have definitely done it fast

2. They lost alot of their fleet in Norway to the Britts who are a naval hegemon

The thing about the Soviet Union isn't true they would have won if they rushed to the caucuses at the start of the war and not Moscow and Lenningrad, 90% of the oil from the Soviet Union passed through the Volga from Azerbaijan and Armenia, but the German high command made a moronic decision arming center and northern group more then the southern group which should have been more important

 

[TsarTsar444]

Also why is the Ottoman Empire at top? They couldn't defeat tiny Albania and Moldavia for decades, and had to use 10 times the manpower to defeat the spanish in different sieges

 

[Wallenberg]

Germany attacked the Soviet Union too late. Winter made it hard for them.

 

[AlexAP]

A lot of reading. The reply that you quoted is actually an answer written by someone else

Lol this forum is full of plagiarists.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Germany attacked the Soviet Union too late. Winter made it hard for them.

They attacked at start of summer. Either way they made a mistake for rushing at Moscow, they should have immediately rushed to Stalinggrad from the start

 

[Wallenberg]

They attacked at start of summer. Either way they made a mistake for rushing at Moscow, they should have immediately rushed to Stalinggrad from the start

Oh yeah, they didn't reach their objectives before winter, which was a big hindrance for them. They weren't prepared for winter.

 

[TsarTsar444]

Oh yeah, they didn't reach their objectives before winter, which was a big hindrance for them. They weren't prepared for winter.

They should of attacked at start of May instead of end of June

 

[turkproducer]

idk if this list is accurate. where is mongolia?

 

[AcneScars]

God you are wrong

1. Absolutely not true on Poland, they were in front of Warsaw already before the Soviets attacked, don't understand how would they not conquered the Poles, sure maybe it would take slightly longer but they would have definitely done it fast

2. They lost alot of their fleet in Norway to the Britts who are a naval hegemon

The thing about the Soviet Union isn't true they would have won if they rushed to the caucuses at the start of the war and not Moscow and Lenningrad, 90% of the oil from the Soviet Union passed through the Volga from Azerbaijan and Armenia, but the German high command made a moronic decision arming center and northern group more then the southern group which should have been more important

Wait I will ask my historian friend to confirm

 

[Blue]

The thing about the Soviet Union isn't true they would have won if they rushed to the caucuses at the start of the war and not Moscow and Lenningrad, 90% of the oil from the Soviet Union passed through the Volga from Azerbaijan and Armenia, but the German high command made a moronic decision arming center and northern group more then the southern group which should have been more important

Absolutely spot on. They secure the oil fields in the Caucasus early on, don't bother with Moscow and Leningrad during that period, and the war probably goes in Germany's favour. Though, the guy you're replying to is kinda right with the France part, they were literally YOLOing through the Ardennes, had the French spotted them with their aircraft, they might've been stopped in Belgium.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

USA is overrated, they spend billions of dollars but cannot send the taliban on its knees.

Why would they want to shut down their oil mercenaries? Over if you think the Taliban just popped out of nowhere and had funds to buy weaponry and hire soldiers.

 

[lutte]

Shittiest list I’ve seen in a while

 

[lutte]

They should of attacked at start of May instead of end of June

The yugoslavs fucked it up

 

[R@m@]

Portugal it's accurate, we won so many times outnumbered and with little resources

 

[AlexAP]

Portugal it's accurate, we won so many times outnumbered and with little resources

Dude you only won wars agains Native Brazilians and Africans, you were never powerful in Europe.

 

[Merćer]

Why would they want to shut down their oil mercenaries? Over if you think the Taliban just popped out of nowhere and had funds to buy weaponry and hire soldiers.

I deeply doubt that the taliban is the US mercenaries, its very over for their IQ if they would use a unreliable contractors that can turn rogue on them at any moment. The Al Qaeda/9-11 incident that make them a laughing stock is probably enough to teach them the lesson that using and funding foreign arms to do the dirty work for them is plain stupid.

 

[R@m@]

Dude you only won wars agains Native Brazilians and Africans, you were never powerful in Europe.

we fought many times against spain, Portugal didn’t lose its first war until 1777

 

[Wallenberg]

Shittiest list I’ve seen in a while

Sweden was a military superpower hundreds of years ago. Sweden also had a great military during the cold war, but they downsized it after the fall of the Soviet Union.

 

[ShowerMaxxing]

I deeply doubt that the taliban is the US mercenaries, its very over for their IQ if they would use a unreliable contractors that can turn rogue on them at any moment. The Al Qaeda/9-11 incident that make them a laughing stock is probably enough to teach them the lesson that using and funding foreign arms to do the dirty work for them is plain stupid.

It's a discreet way to gain permission to plant their armies in foreign territory under the premise of being a saviour. In reality they go there to steal resources from other countries without having to go to war to attain them. Then they sell it as their own.

Territories they've invaded in the past have pretty much exclusively been middle eastern, with places like Dubai known for finding a gold mine of oil. 911 was just a setup to get the general public on their side in support of "The war on terrorism." If some org they founded goes haywire it's very easy to solve, they have far superior tech than some sand niggers they gave a few guns.

Russia effectively destroyed ISIS with bombing runs after the US said they were the next big threat. The western media cried for but muh innocent civilians, how dare you kill muh mercs in kuh flyzone etc. Collateral occurs. They wanted to farm for longer but other countries intervened. All the counties they "saved" from dictators have ended up much worse following their intervention I.e Libya, Syria etc

 

[Merćer]

It's a discreet way to gain permission to plant their armies in foreign territory under the premise of being a saviour. In reality they go there to steal resources from other countries without having to go to war to attain them. Then they sell it as their own.

Territories they've invaded in the past have pretty much exclusively been middle eastern, with places like Dubai known for finding a gold mine of oil. 911 was just a setup to get the general public on their side in support of "The war on terrorism." If some org they founded goes haywire it's very easy to solve, they have far superior tech than some sand niggers they gave a few guns.

Russia effectively destroyed ISIS with bombing runs after the US said they were the next big threat. The western media cried for but muh innocent civilians, how dare you kill muh mercs in kuh flyzone etc. Collateral occurs. They wanted to farm for longer but other countries intervened. All the counties they "saved" from dictators have ended up much worse following their intervention I.e Libya, Syria etc

The discreet soldier planting strategy works in weak countries with alot resources to be gained.
And no foreign country with abundant of gold and oil would let their motherland wide spread her legs for foreigners to spoil it. If such weak wealthy middle-eastern country exist they would rather be protected by their powerful muslim neighbor and share what they have with their allah worshipping brothers than by white-skinned invaders with no religion. So the saviour tactic will be null.

No resourceful/wealthy middle eastern country is successfully invaded by US. And no, 911 wasnt a propaganda, its a damaging error, after the paid soldiers gained what they want, artillery, man power, they turn against US. 911 is a blatant sign saying we acquire everything we want from you, now its time to go partways.

Russian efforts in roasting ISIL sand niggers is impressive and no flaws can be seen from it in any angle possible. And its true that US intervention from other countries with severe civil war worsen, because they shouldnt be there in the first place.

 

[Deleted member 7901]

Why is Austria considered weak, and also Italy? both had great empires

 

[mogstar]

Let’s fucking go

 

[Deleted member 10367]

Extreme cope.

Spanish Empire mogged everyone else from late XV century to mid XVII, both in Europe (tercios) and in America (conquistadores) .

JFL at putting us in the same level than fucking Argentina (former Spanish Colony, like most of America from there up to California btw)

Retarded graphic ngl

 

[Mouthbreath]

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Putting switzerland in wont even fight tier is just wrong jfl, unlike the netherlands and belgium, switzerland had a plan to fight until the last man in ww2. The reduit strategy was to give up all major cities and relocate everyone into the mountains, where they had countless bunkers, just google "switerland hidden cannons" for example.