HIGH EFFORT: SOY-PROTEIN ARGUMENTS DESTROYED

[f0idslay3r]

Im not expecting to debate foids in this thread, just giving you incels valid arguments and proof, incase a foid tries to tell you shit.


When you debate a foid about soy products, they always have some arguments, that do make sense, if you dont do research. They are fucking larping and do not know shit. This thread is to disprove them. High-Effort + Sources





„Bio-Availability is better“
The PDCAAS score (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score) is in fact better for protein on paper, but the PDCAAS data has been proven absolute dogshit. The PDCAAS does not match with the ACTUAL protein availability, the DIAAS score (digestible indispensable amino acid score). This means the commonly by foids used PDCAAS, where soy protein does in fact have a higher availability, is trash. The DIAAS scores are lower than the PDCAAS scores, ESPECIALLY in poor quality protein. This means, the PDCAAS, which foods use, is total larping, overestimating soy protein and underestimating meat protein. The DIAAS, where soy has a score of 85-90, and meat has a score of 110-130, is true.

In simpler words, the PDCAAS (disproven larp score, DIAAS is true) is overestimating protein availability in soy
(PDCAAS 0,979 vs DIAAS 0,898),
and underestimating protein availability in meat like beef
(PDCAAS 0.92 vs DIAAS 1.12).

1. https://jn.nutrition.org/article/S0022-3166(22)08633-3/fulltext
2. https://nutrition.ansci.illinois.edu/sites/default/files/13.%20Bailey%20et%20al.%2C%20DIAAS%20in%20meat%20products%2C%20BJN%2C%20June%2013%2C%202020.pdf
3. https://genesisfoods.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/34789225957389-PDCAAS-and-Protein-Digestibility-of-Foods

Another interesting study, shows that consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis MORE than 4 oz of a soy patty, and still more than 8 oz of a soy patty.

1. 

   The anabolic response to a ground beef patty and soy-based meat alternative: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

   Consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis >4 oz SBMA patty and similarly to 8 oz of SBMA. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT05197140.

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

„Nutrients are the same or absorbed better“
Beef protein increases the absorption of iron and zinc SIGNIFICANTLY more in comparison to soy (iron: 7,6% vs 3,5%, zinc: 13,7% vs 10,1%). Vitamin B12 in only enricjed in soy foods, but in beef its natural and 100% bio-available

1. 

   Effect of beef and soy proteins on the absorption of non-heme iron and inorganic zinc in children - PubMed

   These findings indicate that beef protein increases both non-heme iron and zinc absorption compared to soy protein. The effect of protein source on non-heme iron and inorganic zinc absorption should be one of the factors taken into account when designing diets for children. The inhibitory effect...

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fuck the foids and soyboys

 

[cytromademe]

Damn good thread fellow grey

 

[LastCarthag1nian]

Unfortunately you're a grey, so nobody will gaf about this thread
Also, dnr

 

[til<3D]

Im not expecting to debate foids in this thread, just giving you incels valid arguments and proof, incase a foid tries to tell you shit.


When you debate a foid about soy products, they always have some arguments, that do make sense, if you dont do research. They are fucking larping and do not know shit. This thread is to disprove them. High-Effort + Sources





„Bio-Availability is better“
The PDCAAS score (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score) is in fact better for protein on paper, but the PDCAAS data has been proven absolute dogshit. The PDCAAS does not match with the ACTUAL protein availability, the DIAAS score (digestible indispensable amino acid score). This means the commonly by foids used PDCAAS, where soy protein does in fact have a higher availability, is trash. The DIAAS scores are lower than the PDCAAS scores, ESPECIALLY in poor quality protein. This means, the PDCAAS, which foods use, is total larping, overestimating soy protein and underestimating meat protein. The DIAAS, where soy has a score of 85-90, and meat has a score of 110-130, is true.

In simpler words, the PDCAAS (disproven larp score, DIAAS is true) is overestimating protein availability in soy
(PDCAAS 0,979 vs DIAAS 0,898),
and underestimating protein availability in meat like beef
(PDCAAS 0.92 vs DIAAS 1.12).

1. https://jn.nutrition.org/article/S0022-3166(22)08633-3/fulltext
2. https://nutrition.ansci.illinois.edu/sites/default/files/13.%20Bailey%20et%20al.%2C%20DIAAS%20in%20meat%20products%2C%20BJN%2C%20June%2013%2C%202020.pdf
3. https://genesisfoods.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/34789225957389-PDCAAS-and-Protein-Digestibility-of-Foods

Another interesting study, shows that consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis MORE than 4 oz of a soy patty, and still more than 8 oz of a soy patty.

1. 

   The anabolic response to a ground beef patty and soy-based meat alternative: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

   Consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis >4 oz SBMA patty and similarly to 8 oz of SBMA. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT05197140.

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

„Nutrients are the same or absorbed better“
Beef protein increases the absorption of iron and zinc SIGNIFICANTLY more in comparison to soy (iron: 7,6% vs 3,5%, zinc: 13,7% vs 10,1%). Vitamin B12 in only enricjed in soy foods, but in beef its natural and 100% bio-available

1. 

   Effect of beef and soy proteins on the absorption of non-heme iron and inorganic zinc in children - PubMed

   These findings indicate that beef protein increases both non-heme iron and zinc absorption compared to soy protein. The effect of protein source on non-heme iron and inorganic zinc absorption should be one of the factors taken into account when designing diets for children. The inhibitory effect...

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fuck the foids and soyboys

HIGH EFFORT: Addressing your points:​

DIAAS point is valid animal protein does have higher digestibility scores (beef 1.1-1.3 vs soy 0.85-0.9). The van Vliet study showing beef stimulates MPS more than equal amounts of soy and i agree this is proven:

But this is can be compensated real talk its pretty easy: Eat 188g protein instead of 160g to account for lower digestibility (like i do)

Amino acid completeness: Combine sources (lentils + rice, chickpeas + grains). This whole incomplete protein myth was debunked so long ago

Micronutrients: Supplement what is harder to get (B12, iron bisglycinate, zinc). Heme iron absorption advantage is real but non heme + vitamin C works pretty good

Btw: Meta-analyses show vegans have lower all cause mortality, lower CVD risk, lower cancer risk

 

[IHeartVanillaCoke]

Im not expecting to debate foids in this thread, just giving you incels valid arguments and proof, incase a foid tries to tell you shit.


When you debate a foid about soy products, they always have some arguments, that do make sense, if you dont do research. They are fucking larping and do not know shit. This thread is to disprove them. High-Effort + Sources





„Bio-Availability is better“
The PDCAAS score (protein digestibility corrected amino acid score) is in fact better for protein on paper, but the PDCAAS data has been proven absolute dogshit. The PDCAAS does not match with the ACTUAL protein availability, the DIAAS score (digestible indispensable amino acid score). This means the commonly by foids used PDCAAS, where soy protein does in fact have a higher availability, is trash. The DIAAS scores are lower than the PDCAAS scores, ESPECIALLY in poor quality protein. This means, the PDCAAS, which foods use, is total larping, overestimating soy protein and underestimating meat protein. The DIAAS, where soy has a score of 85-90, and meat has a score of 110-130, is true.

In simpler words, the PDCAAS (disproven larp score, DIAAS is true) is overestimating protein availability in soy
(PDCAAS 0,979 vs DIAAS 0,898),
and underestimating protein availability in meat like beef
(PDCAAS 0.92 vs DIAAS 1.12).

1. https://jn.nutrition.org/article/S0022-3166(22)08633-3/fulltext
2. https://nutrition.ansci.illinois.edu/sites/default/files/13.%20Bailey%20et%20al.%2C%20DIAAS%20in%20meat%20products%2C%20BJN%2C%20June%2013%2C%202020.pdf
3. https://genesisfoods.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/34789225957389-PDCAAS-and-Protein-Digestibility-of-Foods

Another interesting study, shows that consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis MORE than 4 oz of a soy patty, and still more than 8 oz of a soy patty.

1. 

   The anabolic response to a ground beef patty and soy-based meat alternative: a randomized controlled trial - PubMed

   Consumption of a 4 oz beef patty stimulates muscle and whole-body protein synthesis >4 oz SBMA patty and similarly to 8 oz of SBMA. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT05197140.

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

„Nutrients are the same or absorbed better“
Beef protein increases the absorption of iron and zinc SIGNIFICANTLY more in comparison to soy (iron: 7,6% vs 3,5%, zinc: 13,7% vs 10,1%). Vitamin B12 in only enricjed in soy foods, but in beef its natural and 100% bio-available

1. 

   Effect of beef and soy proteins on the absorption of non-heme iron and inorganic zinc in children - PubMed

   These findings indicate that beef protein increases both non-heme iron and zinc absorption compared to soy protein. The effect of protein source on non-heme iron and inorganic zinc absorption should be one of the factors taken into account when designing diets for children. The inhibitory effect...

   pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Fuck the foids and soyboys

animal proteins mog and processed soy isnt natural and the discussion couldve ended there but people are stupid. good thread OP