How are troons any different than surgerymaxxers?

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Both of them hate their appearance and are willing to mutilate themselves for their desired outcome, and both are usually incel (femcel in this case). Where are the differences??
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There aren't any, anyone who says otherwise is part of a looksmax anti LGBTQ psyop
 
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The difference is that we want to be more attractive, we don't want to "pass"
 
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The difference is that we want to be more attractive, we don't want to "pass"
Isn't that the same thing in a way? Both surgerymaxxers and troons want validation and will do extreme things to obtain it. Surgerymaxxers want to 'pass' as a chad to women whereas troons want to 'pass' as their claimed gender.
 
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No. Troons want to change their innate biology which surgerymaxxers just wants to be better looking.

Both are mentally ill. But troons are far more. There is really no comparison.
 
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No. Troons want to change their innate biology which surgerymaxxers just wants to be better looking.

Both are mentally ill. But troons are far more. There is really no comparison.
How is wanting to mutilate your legs, and face, and other bones not changing 'innate biology'? I definitely agree troons are more mentally ill than surgerymaxxers, since troons have body dysmorphia and gender identity disorder, whereas surgerymaxxers are only the former.
 
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How is wanting to mutilate your legs, and face, and other bones not changing 'innate biology'? I definitely agree troons are more mentally ill than surgerymaxxers, since troons have body dysmorphia and gender identity disorder, whereas surgerymaxxers are only the former.
Because legs and face are not reproductive organs.
 
Isn't that the same thing in a way? Both surgerymaxxers and troons want validation and will do extreme things to obtain it. Surgerymaxxers want to 'pass' as a chad to women whereas troons want to 'pass' as their claimed gender.
passing isn't possible.
It's ultimately delusion.
 
going ftm is the biggest mental illness of them all because you turn incel at least 95% of the time

it's entirely irrational unlike surgerymaxxing or even going mtf
 
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going ftm is the biggest mental illness of them all because you turn incel at least 95% of the time

it's entirely irrational unlike surgerymaxxing or even going mtf
Also, pooners are way more likely to detrans than mtf trannymaxxers. Also, they can't take their shirts off because of the scars like I posted in OP. Imagine going for a swim and you have to show... that off. Not even to mention the fucked up deformed """penis""".
 
How is wanting to mutilate your legs, and face, and other bones not changing 'innate biology'? I definitely agree troons are more mentally ill than surgerymaxxers, since troons have body dysmorphia and gender identity disorder, whereas surgerymaxxers are only the former.
One is because of actual mental illness. (Gender dysphoria) and the other is because of negative reinforcement and horrible treatment from society because of lookism,heightism,racism,etc. surgeymaxxers aren’t mentally ill for the most part, they’re trying to stop themselves from becoming mentally ill and actually going insane. The human mind can only take so much negative reinforcement so long before it leads to an ER incident.
 
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One is because of actual mental illness. (Gender dysphoria) and the other is because of negative reinforcement and horrible treatment from society because of lookism,heightism,racism,etc. surgeymaxxers aren’t mentally ill for the most part, they’re trying to stop themselves from becoming mentally ill and actually going insane. The human mind can only take so much negative reinforcement so long before it leads to an ER incident.
You could argue surgerymaxxers have some form of body dysmorphia. Whether that is a 'mental illness' is up for debate, but it clearly isn't normal.
 
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I want to pass as a normal human and not deformed subhuman. How's that comparable to gender change
 
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The difference is that looks are predominately superficial, and thus one can change their looks. Gender/sex is both superficial and systemic, you can change the superficial aspects of Gender/sex but you can not change the systemic aspects of Gender/sex. A MTF trans may have had their dick cut off and have a surgical fake vagina put in its place, and they can undergo femenization surgeries to look more like a female, and they can under go hormone therapy to partially mimic female hormones, but they can not change the systemic reality that their DNA, their bone structure, their organs and their brain forever remain the gender they were born with.
 
By surgerymaxxing I assume you mean cis men who pay to increase attractiveness. At least that is closer to natural desire than it is mental illness

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JFL America's fucked. Mental illness
 
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Both of them hate their appearance and are willing to mutilate themselves for their desired outcome, and both are usually incel (femcel in this case). Where are the differences??
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Troons are the same as roidcels. Roidcels OD on test and spend their wholes gymcelling till they die from a heart failure whilst troons OD on estrogen then later on rope in their 30s
 
I mean there aren't really. Both groups have body dysmorphia and are willing to mutilate their bodies to achieve their desired appearance. Although gender dysmorphia is generally caused by a deviation in brain chemistry whereas incel surgerymaxxers are just trying to keep up with the current dating market.
 
Both of them hate their appearance and are willing to mutilate themselves for their desired outcome, and both are usually incel (femcel in this case). Where are the differences??
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I dont think anyone on looksmax cares about FTM or MTF thats an incel thing in fact I think there is someone here who is trying to do an MTF transition. I support elliot page completely and he will be fine because he has status. However the unfortunate reality is that without his status it would be over because the dickpill is very real
 
I dont think anyone on looksmax cares about FTM or MTF thats an incel thing in fact I think there is someone here who is trying to do an MTF transition. I support elliot page completely and he will be fine because he has status. However the unfortunate reality is that without his status it would be over because the dickpill is very real
That being said he face mogs alot of people here
 
Troons are the same as roidcels. Roidcels OD on test and spend their wholes gymcelling till they die from a heart failure whilst troons OD on estrogen then later on rope in their 30s
How is doing roids any different than wanting bimax or lefort or any other surgeries? Both fuck your body up.
 
I mean there aren't really. Both groups have body dysmorphia and are willing to mutilate their bodies to achieve their desired appearance. Although gender dysmorphia is generally caused by a deviation in brain chemistry whereas incel surgerymaxxers are just trying to keep up with the current dating market.
Gender identity disorder is caused by nurture, not nature. 60% of LGBT people have been groomed/touched as kids. Body dysmorphia is also nurture because of a lack of positive feedback loops which lead to people developing healthy social skills and relationships
 
Gender identity disorder is caused by nurture, not nature
Cope, people with gender dysmorphia have a brain phenotype that deviates from their cisgender counterparts. It's nature just like everything in this world
 
Cope, people with gender dysmorphia have a brain phenotype that deviates from their cisgender counterparts. It's nature just like everything in this world
There's no cope. Why do so many pooners detrans if its a genetic/fatalistic/nature issue? It's because we live in a society that grooms people into mutilating themselves.
 
Why do so many pooners detrans if its a genetic/fatalistic/nature issue?
Not too sure, would have to see the de transitioning stats to concur. But it's a known fact that trans people have brain phenotypes that differ from their cis counterparts meaning the cause of gender dysmorphia does have a nature base to it and denying that is flat out cope or delusional
It's because we live in a society that grooms people into mutilating themselves.
Mutilation has been apart of human cultures for millennia. Circumcision, tribal scarring, piercing, sacrifices etc etc
 
Not too sure, would have to see the de transitioning stats to concur. But it's a known fact that trans people have brain phenotypes that differ from their cis counterparts meaning the cause of gender dysmorphia does have a nature base to it and denying that is flat out cope or delusional
I'm pretty sure most of the studies where these results have been found have been done on people who have lots of neuroplasticity (aka a lot easier to groom), so this sounds like cope still.
Mutilation has been apart of human cultures for millennia. Circumcision, tribal scarring, piercing, sacrifices etc etc
That doesn't mean it's okay. I don't support any form of mutilation. Why do you support mutilation?
 
trading one mental illness for another imo
 
stay jealous you transphobic miserable incel freak
 
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