how can I fix a short ramus and face with surgery?

[solipsism]

just for context i only started looksmaxxing about a month ago and most of the month was spent changing lifestyle stuff and doing cope methods so if i say something stupid please bear with me and correct me.

my main problem is a short (little bit proclined) ramus, in general weak lower third, short face and unbalanced facial thirds (36.4/28.6/35) making my face appear even shorter than it is. i also have a slight underbite.

i have a midface ratio of 1.02, my fwhr is 1.98 and my gonial angle is 115°.

as of now what i do to combat this flaws is walk around with my lips sealed but teeth apart (giving the illusion of a longer chin) and mandible pushed forward to the point that my incisors are on the same level. this is a great fix in my opinion and i can maintain this pose throughout the day almost effortlessly. i would only want to opt for surgery if it would give me a significant advantage appeal wise.

i don't suffer from any functional problems as of now except for having a stuffy nose while being sick normally.

the 3 options i was able to come up with (money is not a problem):

- just a vertical genioplasty, this would not adress my unbalanced facial thirds (just make it worse in fact)
- chin wing osoetomy with jaw angle implants
- bsso with mandible downgraft and advancement + vertical genioplasty

the reason i am not considering a maxilla downgraft along the lefort 1 or lefort 2 fracture is that it would mess up my midface ratio, fwhr, chin to philthrim ratio.

if anyone has any suggestions regarding this please let me know!

 

[Joaquin]

just for context i only started looksmaxxing about a month ago and most of the month was spent changing lifestyle stuff and doing cope methods so if i say something stupid please bear with me and correct me.

my main problem is a short (little bit proclined) ramus, in general weak lower third, short face and unbalanced facial thirds (36.4/28.6/35) making my face appear even shorter than it is. i also have a slight underbite.

i have a midface ratio of 1.02, my fwhr is 1.98 and my gonial angle is 115°.

as of now what i do to combat this flaws is walk around with my lips sealed but teeth apart (giving the illusion of a longer chin) and mandible pushed forward to the point that my incisors are on the same level. this is a great fix in my opinion and i can maintain this pose throughout the day almost effortlessly. i would only want to opt for surgery if it would give me a significant advantage appeal wise.

i don't suffer from any functional problems as of now except for having a stuffy nose while being sick normally.

the 3 options i was able to come up with (money is not a problem):

- just a vertical genioplasty, this would not adress my unbalanced facial thirds (just make it worse in fact)
- chin wing osoetomy with jaw angle implants
- bsso with mandible downgraft and advancement + vertical genioplasty

the reason i am not considering a maxilla downgraft along the lefort 1 or lefort 2 fracture is that it would mess up my midface ratio, fwhr, chin to philthrim ratio.

if anyone has any suggestions regarding this please let me know!

Send face bro

 

[5'7 currychad]

just for context i only started looksmaxxing about a month ago and most of the month was spent changing lifestyle stuff and doing cope methods so if i say something stupid please bear with me and correct me.

my main problem is a short (little bit proclined) ramus, in general weak lower third, short face and unbalanced facial thirds (36.4/28.6/35) making my face appear even shorter than it is. i also have a slight underbite.

i have a midface ratio of 1.02, my fwhr is 1.98 and my gonial angle is 115°.

as of now what i do to combat this flaws is walk around with my lips sealed but teeth apart (giving the illusion of a longer chin) and mandible pushed forward to the point that my incisors are on the same level. this is a great fix in my opinion and i can maintain this pose throughout the day almost effortlessly. i would only want to opt for surgery if it would give me a significant advantage appeal wise.

i don't suffer from any functional problems as of now except for having a stuffy nose while being sick normally.

the 3 options i was able to come up with (money is not a problem):

- just a vertical genioplasty, this would not adress my unbalanced facial thirds (just make it worse in fact)
- chin wing osoetomy with jaw angle implants
- bsso with mandible downgraft and advancement + vertical genioplasty

the reason i am not considering a maxilla downgraft along the lefort 1 or lefort 2 fracture is that it would mess up my midface ratio, fwhr, chin to philthrim ratio.

if anyone has any suggestions regarding this please let me know!

I heard chewing makes your ramus longer so keep chewing for 2 years everyday

 

[iblamemygenes]

just for context i only started looksmaxxing about a month ago and most of the month was spent changing lifestyle stuff and doing cope methods so if i say something stupid please bear with me and correct me.

my main problem is a short (little bit proclined) ramus, in general weak lower third, short face and unbalanced facial thirds (36.4/28.6/35) making my face appear even shorter than it is. i also have a slight underbite.

i have a midface ratio of 1.02, my fwhr is 1.98 and my gonial angle is 115°.

as of now what i do to combat this flaws is walk around with my lips sealed but teeth apart (giving the illusion of a longer chin) and mandible pushed forward to the point that my incisors are on the same level. this is a great fix in my opinion and i can maintain this pose throughout the day almost effortlessly. i would only want to opt for surgery if it would give me a significant advantage appeal wise.

i don't suffer from any functional problems as of now except for having a stuffy nose while being sick normally.

the 3 options i was able to come up with (money is not a problem):

- just a vertical genioplasty, this would not adress my unbalanced facial thirds (just make it worse in fact)
- chin wing osoetomy with jaw angle implants
- bsso with mandible downgraft and advancement + vertical genioplasty

the reason i am not considering a maxilla downgraft along the lefort 1 or lefort 2 fracture is that it would mess up my midface ratio, fwhr, chin to philthrim ratio.

if anyone has any suggestions regarding this please let me know!

Your probably measuring ratios with distortion, meaning ur fwhr and mfr would be higher in reality, distortion doesn’t change thirds so it could be the case on why ur thirds is shit but not ratios

 

[BimaxLaser]

implants only bud. unless you wanna do a very cool unusual osteotomy of the ramus