how do antiwork users justify being selfish freeriders?

[Harold O'brien]

I've never visited the subreddit but I've heard of it

surely they realise society will not be able to function without anyone working? so why do they get to be the ones that don't have to work

 

[lutte]

Because of technology people shouldn't have to work as much

 

[hebbewem]

Because they are based

 

[Vermilioncore]

I refuse to work unless I’m paid the same wages as a CEO of a company

 

[Harold O'brien]

Because of technology people shouldn't have to work as much

it just changes the nature of the labour market

instead of manual labourers you now have machine operators and supervisors etc. or entire new industries are created as a result of the technology. do you think the invention of the internet created or destroyed more jobs?

even if demand for labour decreased significantly why should they be the ones that don't have to work? nobody wants to work

 

[Harold O'brien]

Because they are based

no they are lazy retards

 

[lutte]

it just changes the nature of the labour market

instead of manual labourers you now have machine operators and supervisors etc. or entire new industries are created as a result of the technology. do you think the invention of the internet created or destroyed more jobs?

even if demand for labour decreased significantly why should they be the ones that don't have to work? nobody wants to work

Yes but the same amount of work time isn't needed any more. And many jobs are just useless and dont produce anything. We should have 6hr work day

 

[Chinacurry]

Yeah I get what you're saying.

Antiworkers are correct, most people should not need to work, there should be universal income, that's how the economics works, and the proof is clear for anyone who has worked at a senior level in large corporations or in government, 90% of jobs in those places are not needed and are value destroying for the sake of employment, ie 'bullshit jobs'.

Problem is the universal income solution won't work either, because people have unlimited wants, just look how many money copers are on this forum thinking money can get them laid cos of their shit jaws.

So even if u had universal income, for the betas and the giga chads, everyone else would choose to work, and as a result the antiworkers will feel pissed off cos not content with not working they will want Balenciaga shit and wagyu beef cos the workers get it, so then u get rampant inflation, and the antiworkers end up raging.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Yes but the same amount of work time isn't needed any more. And many jobs are just useless and dont produce anything. We should have 6hr work day

?

all jobs are useful or the employer wouldn't pay someone to do it

if you value your free time you can just choose jobs with lower work hours

 

[Harold O'brien]

Yeah I get what you're saying.

Antiworkers are correct, most people should not need to work, there should be universal income, that's how the economics works, and the proof is clear for anyone who has worked at a senior level in large corporations or in government, 90% of jobs in those places are not needed and are value destroying for the sake of employment, ie 'bullshit jobs'.

Problem is the universal income solution won't work either, because people have unlimited wants, just look how many money copers are on this forum thinking money can get them laid cos of their shit jaws.

So even if u had universal income, for the betas and the giga chads, everyone else would choose to work, and as a result the antiworkers will feel pissed off cos not content with not working they will want Balenciaga shit and wagyu beef cos the workers get it, so then u get rampant inflation, and the antiworkers end up raging.

give me some examples of "bullshit jobs"

I don't think they exist, no employer would pay someone to do something that wasn't needed

universal income is giga retarded, people need incentives

 

[Chinacurry]

give me some examples of "bullshit jobs"

I don't think they exist, no employer would pay someone to do something that wasn't needed

universal income is giga retarded, people need incentives

My job, my bosses job, all my team's jobs are bullshit jobs, we just have pointless meetings and state the fucking obvious all day and feel good about ourselves and pretend like a fucking 15yr old with a grade C in gcse maths couldn't do the job more effectively than we do.

In a services corporation anybody who directly deals with the customer is in a valued job. So people in call centres, people who work in branches of banks, etc.

Everyone who classify as 'management' in a big well established org, u can get as much done with 10% of them and u can fire 90% of them.

Healthcare is even worse, more of the NHS and people like Kaiser Permananten salary bill goes on management administrators than on doctors and nurses

 

[Harold O'brien]

My job, my bosses job, all my team's jobs are bullshit jobs, we just have pointless meetings and state the fucking obvious all day and feel good about ourselves and pretend like a fucking 15yr old with a grade C in gcse maths couldn't do the job more effectively than we do.

In a services corporation anybody who directly deals with the customer is in a valued job. So people in call centres, people who work in branches of banks, etc.

Everyone who classify as 'management' in a big well established org, u can get as much done with 10% of them and u can fire 90% of them.

Healthcare is even worse, more of the NHS and people like Kaiser Permananten salary bill goes on management administrators than on doctors and nurses

management is extremely important to a corporation

your opinion is dismissed

 

[Chinacurry]

I don't think they exist, no employer would pay someone to do something that wasn't needed

The employer is not the shareholder, nor is it the CEO who is directly incentivised on bottom line, it is other senior/middle managers (in v large organisations these are no different, senior manager have no more accountability nor direction than middle managers).

Those managers hire people to do bullshit jobs cos their own jobs are bullshit and if they have a bunch of peopl doing stuff it makes it seem like they are doing stuff, and so on.

 

[Chinacurry]

management is extremely important to a corporation

your opinion is dismissed

Yes, u just need 10% of those people

 

[Harold O'brien]

The employer is not the shareholder, nor is it the CEO who is directly incentivised on bottom line, it is other senior/middle managers (in v large organisations these are no different, senior manager have no more accountability nor direction than middle managers).

Those managers hire people to do bullshit jobs cos their own jobs are bullshit and if they have a bunch of peopl doing stuff it makes it seem like they are doing stuff, and so on.

?

if the company is publicly traded the shareholders are the public

management will be overseen by a board of directors to minimise agency problems

a company without management would fail

 

[Deleted member 12002]

I've never visited the subreddit but I've heard of it

surely they realise society will not be able to function without anyone working? so why do they get to be the ones that don't have to work

I like it. It does two good things. One, it makes employers more needy. Easier to get hired and whatnot. Two, it might change the way people look at work in America. People in this country traditionally live to work. And they're proud of it. It makes me sick. I don't mind working, but I work to live and not the other way around.

 

[Harold O'brien]

I like it. It does two good things. One, it makes employers more needy. Easier to get hired and whatnot. Two, it might change the way people look at work in America. People in this country traditionally live to work. And they're proud of it. It makes me sick. I don't mind working, but I work to live and not the other way around.

it just leads to unemployment (which is not good)

 

[Deleted member 12002]

it just leads to unemployment (which is not good)

Still increases the opportunity and leverage for people like me who are willing to work.

 

[.👽.]

we need work tbh but not 40h or more per week. thats outdated af. luckily many companies offer 35h/week for full pay (you need a degree tho so over for this forum)

 

[Harold O'brien]

Still increases the opportunity and leverage for people like me who are willing to work.

I'm thinking of society holistically

 

[Harold O'brien]

we need work tbh but not 40h or more per week. thats outdated af. luckily many companies offer 35h/week for full pay (you need a degree tho so over for this forum)

criticisms of working hours and conditions are fair but only to an extent

 

[Pendejo]

Because they are based

 

[Chinacurry]

?

if the company is publicly traded the shareholders are the public

management will be overseen by a board of directors to minimise agency problems

a company without management would fail

When a company is large, the shareholders are too removed from the functions that add value.

I agree in companies that are not gargantuan, then there are not many bullshit jobs, there are still over paid jobs though. I would say, from personal experience, companies with 5,000-30,000 employees it is possible to manage well with minimal bullshit jobs, probably less than 5% of non customer facing jobs are bs. Once you go above 30,000 that number grows incredibly fast, and once u r talking about a 100k headcount, close to 90% of the management jobs are bs, and only 10% of people are running the company and adding value

 

[Deleted member 12002]

I'm thinking of society holistically

Yeah, I've never cared a whit about society.

 

[Harold O'brien]

When a company is large, the shareholders are too removed from the functions that add value.

I agree in companies that are not gargantuan, then there are not many bullshit jobs, there are still over paid jobs though. I would say, from personal experience, companies with 5,000-30,000 employees it is possible to manage well with minimal bullshit jobs, probably less than 5% of non customer facing jobs are bs. Once you go above 30,000 that number grows incredibly fast, and once u r talking about a 100k headcount, close to 90% of the management jobs are bs, and only 10% of people are running the company and adding value

you are being vague to obfuscate your point has no substance

in very large companies management becomes extremely difficult so more human capital is required. it's that simple

 

[Chinacurry]

you are being vague to obfuscate your point has no substance

in very large companies management becomes extremely difficult so more human capital is required. it's that simple

More human capital is deployed but it makes no marginal difference to the output.

 

[Harold O'brien]

More human capital is deployed but it makes no marginal difference to the output.

I disagree, they wouldn't hire them if this was the case

do you think it would be possible to run a massive multinational company with only a small number of managerial positions? if so why do none of them do this. they all like wasting resources?

 

[Chinacurry]

I disagree, they wouldn't hire them if this was the case

do you think it would be possible to run a massive multinational company with only a small number of managerial positions? if so why do none of them do this. they all like wasting resources?

Because managers need to have loads of teams of managers working for them to justify thekselves.

If I said to my boss, or my bosses boss,

'hey u know what, I dont need that £x million budget this year, all these guys don't actually do shit, I am super high IQ I can do it all myself and it wil only take me 2 hours a day, because any faster and u and everyone else wasting their time won't be able to keep up'

He would say

'oh no Chinacurry we can't do that, because if u don't have a bunch of managers doing what u ask them to do then it means Ur not doing any work, and then it looks like I'm not doing any work.'

So instead we all just keep hiring more people and tell a BS story to our bosses that we need these people because it means we can drive more profits. We can't, it's bollicks, but in a big org remember, NO ONE except the CEO is held accountable for doing nothing, so everyone is happy and gets paid.

You really sound like someone who has never worked for a big company

 

[Harold O'brien]

Because managers need to have loads of teams of managers working for them to justify thekselves.

If I said to my boss, or my bosses boss,

'hey u know what, I dont need that £x million budget this year, all these guys don't actually do shit, I am super high IQ I can do it all myself and it wil only take me 2 hours a day, because any faster and u and everyone else wasting their time won't be able to keep up'

He would say

'oh no Chinacurry we can't do that, because if u don't have a bunch of managers doing what u ask them to do then it means Ur not doing any work, and then it looks like I'm not doing any work.'

So instead we all just keep hiring more people and tell a BS story to our bosses that we need these people because it means we can drive more profits. We can't, it's bollicks, but in a big org remember, NO ONE except the CEO is held accountable for doing nothing, so everyone is happy and gets paid.

You really sound like someone who has never worked for a big company

idk it seems more likely to me that they all do lots of work but you are just narcissistic idiot that thinks he does everything

 

[hirochan]

no point in working as a sub 7, its life denying. When the west has accumulated so much debt, opened the gates for globohomo and created a slippery slope toxic environment, u are a cuck if you are not on the sacking side.

 

[Harold O'brien]

no point in working as a sub 7, its life denying. When the west has accumulated so much debt, opened the gates for globohomo and created a slippery slope toxic environment, u are a cuck if you are not on the sacking side.

dumbass

 

[Chinacurry]

idk it seems more likely to me that they all do lots of work but you are just narcissistic idiot that thinks he does everything

See above jackass, I don't do shit either

 

[Harold O'brien]

See above jackass, I don't do shit either

I don't trust anonymous anecdote sorry

some firms may be retarded and hire people they don't need but in general this does not happen

 

[Chinacurry]

I don't trust anonymous anecdote sorry

some firms may be retarded and hire people they don't need but in general this does not happen

Yeah ok, u know better than me. Seems like Ur only experience of a large firm is your business diploma text book, or your summer job shredding paper at Verizon

 

[Harold O'brien]

Yeah ok, u know better than me

 

[EverythingMattersCel]

We are around 100 years from the singularity. Assuming we follow the current models, wagecucking will be inevitable for the next 2-3 generations.

 

[Lasko123]

 

[Deleted member 11028]

A part of the subreddit is now mostly for work reform but the subreddit at its core and beginning was all about simply not working and freeloading off of others.