How do Theistcels cope with the problem of evil?

[Decha]

Every theodicy I'm familiar with so far is a pitiful cope

 

[Incelforeever]

u cant cope with it, u just accept there is no evil

 

[uncykongrock]

Explain?

 

[registerfasterusing]

evil necessary for good

 

[Incelforeever]

Explain?

if ur an atheist u cant claim anything is good or evil

 

[uncykongrock]

Good = God
Evil = Satan

 

[Decha]

Explain?

God is omnibenevolent
Yet evil exists
Why?

 

[uncykongrock]

To test our free will and choices

 

[Oldcel_WageCuck]

God is omnibenevolent
Yet evil exists
Why?

Cuz that nigga don’t give no fucks actually, just goated pr team and gigachad, jestermaxxed son

 

[Decha]

evil necessary for good

This theodicy that God allows suffering to enable virtues and higher order goods doesn't address soul crushing and gratuitous suffering

 

[Incelforeever]

God is omnibenevolent
Yet evil exists
Why?

If there was no evil there would be no good u fucking retards

 

[registerfasterusing]

This theodicy that God allows suffering to enable virtues and higher order goods doesn't address soul crushing and gratuitous suffering

@tomahawk eviscerate him

 

[Decha]

To test our free will and choices

What if you're a determinist and freewill is suspect?

 

[Incelforeever]

This theodicy that God allows suffering to enable virtues and higher order goods doesn't address soul crushing and gratuitous suffering

He doesn’t allow, he create it,

Isaiah 45:7

King James Version

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7 I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

 

[Decha]

If there was no evil there would be no good u fucking retards

Not necessarily, evil could just be a privation of good, as St. Augustine and Aquinas argued, evil has no independent existence or substance of its own. Instead, evil is just defined as the absence or lack of a good that ought to be present in a thing by its nature.

 

[yachtclubb]

Every theodicy I'm familiar with so far is a pitiful cope

As an atheist you can't even define why something would be objectively evil lol.

 

[tomahawk]

@tomahawk eviscerate him

Ty for tag
What do you think is the purpose of placing us on this Earth?
God wants to be Just. He inherently is. How may he put one in goodness or evil if he doesn't let them act upon it? Wouldn't it be unfair to damn one without him consciously understanding why? For there to be a judging process must be a reason.

This theodicy that God allows suffering to enable virtues and higher order goods doesn't address soul crushing and gratuitous suffering

 

[tomahawk]

This theodicy that God allows suffering to enable virtues and higher order goods doesn't address soul crushing and gratuitous suffering

Why would you assume the suffering is gratutious? Would God be Just if he were to test one beyond his capabilities? For he is Just

 

[Decha]

As an atheist you can't even define why something would be objectively evil lol.

I'm Christian myself and am just looking for an answer. Also an atheist could still internally critique a theists position without himself being a moral objectivist

 

[Incelforeever]

Not necessarily, evil could just be a privation of good, as St. Augustine and Aquinas argued, evil has no independent existence or substance of its own. Instead, evil is just defined as the absence or lack of a good that ought to be present in a thing by its nature.

U can make that same claim on “good”

 

[Decha]

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Ty for tag
What do you think is the purpose of placing us on this Earth?
God wants to be Just. He inherently is. How may he put one in goodness or evil if he doesn't let them act upon it? Wouldn't it be unfair to damn one without him consciously understanding why? For there to be a judging process must be a reason.

I see what you're saying but what if you reject the premise of free will itself. I believe God's divine foreknowledge in and of itself contradicts libertarian free will

 

[tomahawk]

reject the premise of free will itself.

Stupid

 

[Decha]

Stupid

If God foresees that Tomahawk is going to rope in a couple of days from now, when is Tomahawk free to not rope?

 

[widdi]

I don’t think this is a particularly good argument

Look at the mouse utopia experiment or just how animals behave in tightly controlled environments where it’s basically impossible for harm to come to them. They become impotent faggots. To me, this makes it clear that there is something in suffering through random challenges that either builds the soul (which would confer infinite benefit) or relationships with other people. It’s also valuable for people to freely choose god. He can’t just impose himself upon you and give you the perfect life because then what’s the point of choice.

 

[Decha]

I don’t think this is a particularly good argument

Look at the mouse utopia experiment or just how animals behave in tightly controlled environments where it’s basically impossible for harm to come to them. They become impotent faggots. To me, this makes it clear that there is something in suffering through random challenges that either builds the soul (which would confer infinite benefit) or relationships with other people. It’s also valuable for people to freely choose god. He can’t just impose himself upon you and give you the perfect life because then what’s the point of choice.

It's true that some evils and suffering build character and moral virtues, but it is also true that many forms of suffering are soul-breaking rather than soul-making. They seem arbitrary and exist only to break you down.

 

[Apchun144]

if ur an atheist u cant claim anything is good or evil

Something can’t be factually good or bad. It can be good or bad from our perspective

 

[tomahawk]

If God foresees that Tomahawk is going to rope in a couple of days from now, when is Tomahawk free to not rope?

Would it be fair if we had no conscience of that we are of evil? Imagine just appearing in pain and suffering

 

[tomahawk]

Something can’t be factually good or bad. It can be good or bad from our perspective

Another rejector of objective morality, -rep

 

[tomahawk]

.

 

[annenisikeyim]

if ur an atheist u cant claim anything is good or evil

retard claim most "good" and "evil" explained by people. for example hurting someone is bad all across the world so its an understatement. there is no need for god to good and evil to exist

 

[Apchun144]

Another rejector of objective morality, -rep

I am speaking from physical standpoint bro
It’s obvious moral norms are a thing, but are morals universal for EVERYTHING? They are universal for every human, but not for every thing

 

[Decha]

Would it be fair if we had no conscience of that we are of evil? Imagine just appearing in pain and suffering

I'm not claiming we ought to be anything, just that freewill seems logically incoherent

 

[tomahawk]

but are morals universal for EVERYTHING

Obviously

 

[tomahawk]

I'm not claiming we ought to be anything, just that freewill seems logically incoherent

Free will is just a proof of our misdoings

 

[Incelforeever]

retard claim most "good" and "evil" explained by people. for example hurting someone is bad all across the world so its an understatement. there is no need for god to good and evil to exist

that doesn’t work

 

[annenisikeyim]

that doesn’t work

why?