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With all the suppsed benifits that will soon come from ai and it's advancement is it really crazy to say that in a not too distant future we could all be chadding?
Look I get it, theres alot of doomerism in this community. You see people say "its over" for giga close set eyes, far set eyes, being Asian (east or southeast), Indian, Aboriginal, recessed forehead, low facial depth, extreme negative canthal tilt, manlet, framelet, extremely long midface, shallow set eyes, low set cheekbones, dicklet - the list goes on. But I've been doing some deep research into whats actually happening with AI and medical technology and honestly? I think we're literally on the verge of a complete revolution that's gonna make almost ALL of this fixable within 10-20 years. Maybe even sooner.
Let me break this down with actual evidence because I spent weeks going down this rabbithole.
So I have close set eyes myself which is why I started researching this. Right now orbital box osteotomy exists but its brutal - full skull opening, 10-14 days hospital, massive recovery. BUT heres whats coming:
Current State: There's surgeons like Dr. Eppley and Dr. Ercin doing modified versions through lower eyelid incisions instead of full craniotomy. The tech already exists its just expensive and has limitations (usually only 4-5mm movement, unpredictable results).
AI Revolution Already Happening: Augmented reality systems are ALREADY being used in orbital surgery. Studies from 2025 show AI-powered surgical planning with real-time AR overlays during surgery, letting surgeons see exactly where to cut with millimeter precision. This means better outcomes and way less complications.
The Big One - Regenerative Medicine (5-15 years): This is where it gets insane. Instead of cutting and moving bone, researchers are developing ways to literally GROW new bone tissue exactly where you need it. Stem cell therapies combined with bioengineered scaffolds that guide bone growth in specific directions. One study showed they successfully used bone morphogenetic protein-7 (BMP-7) to reduce healing time by 0.45 months per centimeter. Multiple research teams are working on "controlled bone expansion" using growth factors and stem cells.
Imagine instead of brutal surgery, you get injectable treatments that gradually expand your orbital bones over 6-12 months. No skull opening, minimal downtime, you just... slowly get better eye spacing. The technology is literally in clinical trials RIGHT NOW for other bone growth applications.
This one is already happening bros. Like actually happening.
Current Tech (Available NOW):
AI Integration (Next 5 years):
Biological Boosters (5-10 years):
The healing time that used to take YEARS is being compressed to MONTHS. And costs are dropping - Turkey offers these procedures for $15-30k vs $120k+ in US/UK.
Extreme negative canthal tilt used to be considered "over" but not anymore.
Current Options:
AI Planning:
Future (5-10 years):
Current State:
AI Revolution:
Near Future (5-10 years):
Studies already show 3D-printed titanium implants in craniofacial reconstruction with 22% reduction in revision rates. This tech is being refined for cosmetic applications RIGHT NOW.
Current Options:
AI Advances:
Future (10-15 years):
This is where AI is ALREADY making huge impacts.
Current State:
AI Integration (HAPPENING NOW):
Near Future (5 years):
Long Term (10-20 years):
Multiple studies from 2024-2025 show AI models are already better than experienced surgeons at planning some aspects of jaw surgery. This tech is being refined FAST.
First off, anyone saying its "over" for specific ethnicities is coping hard and doesn't understand modern surgery. The ONLY reason certain features seem harder to change is because surgeons had less experience with diverse facial structures. AI is changing this MASSIVELY.
Why AI Fixes This:
Specific Applications:
The future isn't about looking "white" - its about AI understanding beauty across ALL phenotypes and helping surgeons achieve harmony within your ethnic context.
Current Fixes:
AI Optimization:
Future:
Current:
AI Advances:
Okay this ones interesting because it goes beyond face.
Current:
Future (10-20 years):
Real talk: Frame is harder because its more systemic, but even here, the combination of current procedures + emerging regenerative medicine could allow significant changes. Not as immediately promising as facial stuff but getting there.
Not gonna go super deep here because this is more appropriate for other forums but yes, there's advancement here too. Penile implants, tissue engineering research, stem cell therapies being explored. AI-guided surgical planning is coming to urology too. Its a thing.
RIGHT NOW (2025):
2-5 YEARS:
5-10 YEARS:
10-20 YEARS:
Look at what happened with limb lengthening. 20 years ago it was brutal external fixators, months of pain, huge complications. Now its internal nails you control with a remote, walk same day, heal 2-4x faster with biological boosters.
The SAME trajectory is happening with facial surgery. The PRECICE Max for limb lengthening literally came out THIS YEAR (2025). The AI surgical planning systems got FDA approval in 2023-2024. The stem cell research papers are coming out MONTHLY.
We're not talking about science fiction - this is ACTIVE research with real results published in medical journals. Multiple studies show:
The real blackpill isn't that "its over" - its that you might be wasting time dooming when you could be:
Anyone under 30 right now? You're gonna see most of this tech become mainstream in your lifetime. Maybe even within the next decade.
The kids being born TODAY might grow up in a world where changing your eye spacing or adding 4 inches of height is as routine as getting braces. The technology is moving THAT fast.
I'm not saying everyone needs surgery or that looks are everything. But for those of us who've been told "its over" because of close set eyes, manlet height, bad canthal tilt, weak midface, whatever - the future is genuinely looking insane in the best way possible.
The combination of AI surgical planning, regenerative medicine, tissue engineering, and robotic assistance is creating a perfect storm of advancement. What seems impossible today might be routine tomorrow.
So nah, its not over. Not even close. We're literally at the beginning of the golden age of this stuff. The only question is how fast you want to move on getting current procedures vs waiting for the even better stuff thats coming.
Stay optimistic bros. The future is gonna be wild.
TL;DR: AI + stem cells + tissue engineering + robotic surgery = almost everything currently considered "its over" will be fixable within 10-20 years, with major improvements in the next 5 years. The tech is advancing way faster than most people realize. Do your research, stay informed, and stop dooming.
Look I get it, theres alot of doomerism in this community. You see people say "its over" for giga close set eyes, far set eyes, being Asian (east or southeast), Indian, Aboriginal, recessed forehead, low facial depth, extreme negative canthal tilt, manlet, framelet, extremely long midface, shallow set eyes, low set cheekbones, dicklet - the list goes on. But I've been doing some deep research into whats actually happening with AI and medical technology and honestly? I think we're literally on the verge of a complete revolution that's gonna make almost ALL of this fixable within 10-20 years. Maybe even sooner.
Let me break this down with actual evidence because I spent weeks going down this rabbithole.
Close Set/Far Set Eyes (My Personal Issue)
So I have close set eyes myself which is why I started researching this. Right now orbital box osteotomy exists but its brutal - full skull opening, 10-14 days hospital, massive recovery. BUT heres whats coming:
Current State: There's surgeons like Dr. Eppley and Dr. Ercin doing modified versions through lower eyelid incisions instead of full craniotomy. The tech already exists its just expensive and has limitations (usually only 4-5mm movement, unpredictable results).
AI Revolution Already Happening: Augmented reality systems are ALREADY being used in orbital surgery. Studies from 2025 show AI-powered surgical planning with real-time AR overlays during surgery, letting surgeons see exactly where to cut with millimeter precision. This means better outcomes and way less complications.
The Big One - Regenerative Medicine (5-15 years): This is where it gets insane. Instead of cutting and moving bone, researchers are developing ways to literally GROW new bone tissue exactly where you need it. Stem cell therapies combined with bioengineered scaffolds that guide bone growth in specific directions. One study showed they successfully used bone morphogenetic protein-7 (BMP-7) to reduce healing time by 0.45 months per centimeter. Multiple research teams are working on "controlled bone expansion" using growth factors and stem cells.
Imagine instead of brutal surgery, you get injectable treatments that gradually expand your orbital bones over 6-12 months. No skull opening, minimal downtime, you just... slowly get better eye spacing. The technology is literally in clinical trials RIGHT NOW for other bone growth applications.
Height / Manlet Fix
This one is already happening bros. Like actually happening.
Current Tech (Available NOW):
- PRECICE Max nails were just released in 2025
- Internal magnetic lengthening - you control it with a REMOTE from home
- Immediate full weight-bearing (you can walk right away)
- Way less pain than old methods
- Can gain 3-6+ inches depending on if you do femurs, tibias, or both
AI Integration (Next 5 years):
- AI-driven personalized surgical planning already being tested
- Machine learning predicting exact bone regeneration rates for YOUR body
- Smart nails with integrated sensors for remote monitoring coming soon
- AI adjusting lengthening speed in real-time based on tissue response
Biological Boosters (5-10 years):
- Stem cell activation therapies to speed up bone formation by 2-4x
- BMP-7 and mesenchymal stem cell scaffolds increasing bone density by 25%
- One surgeon reported patients can now gain 44-45mm in the FIRST MONTH with proper training protocols
- Gene therapy techniques delivering osteogenic genes to accelerate healing
The healing time that used to take YEARS is being compressed to MONTHS. And costs are dropping - Turkey offers these procedures for $15-30k vs $120k+ in US/UK.
Canthal Tilt (Negative to Positive)
Extreme negative canthal tilt used to be considered "over" but not anymore.
Current Options:
- Lateral canthoplasty and canthopexy are well-established
- Can change negative tilt to positive reliably
- Recovery is 2-3 weeks
- Multiple surgeons showing consistent before/afters with 5-6 degree changes
AI Planning:
- Machine learning models now analyzing facial geometry to predict exact surgical outcomes
- 3D modeling showing you EXACTLY what you'll look like before surgery
- AI identifying optimal canthal angles based on thousands of attractive faces analyzed
- Computer-aided surgical simulation eliminating guesswork
Future (5-10 years):
- Robotic assistance for microsurgery precision
- AI-guided real-time adjustments during surgery
- Bioengineered ligament/tendon materials that integrate better and last longer
- Potentially less invasive endoscopic approaches guided by AI
Low Set Cheekbones / Midface Deficiency
Current State:
- Malar and submalar implants widely available
- Can use silicone, Medpor, or custom 3D-printed implants
- Fat grafting as alternative
- Combined approaches for optimal results
AI Revolution:
- AI analyzing thousands of attractive faces to determine ideal cheekbone projection and position
- Custom implants designed by AI based on YOUR specific facial structure
- 3D printing allowing perfect fit with zero trial and error
- Virtual surgical planning showing exact outcome before surgery
Near Future (5-10 years):
- Bioprinting with living cells - implants that integrate like natural bone
- Injectable bone-growing compounds for gradual, natural augmentation
- Tissue engineering creating functional bone that fuses with existing structure
- AI-optimized placement based on facial biomechanics and aging patterns
Studies already show 3D-printed titanium implants in craniofacial reconstruction with 22% reduction in revision rates. This tech is being refined for cosmetic applications RIGHT NOW.
Recessed Forehead / Low Facial Depth
Current Options:
- Forehead augmentation with implants or bone cement
- Brow ridge augmentation
- Custom implants for any contour you want
AI Advances:
- Facial recognition AI identifying ideal forehead projection for your face
- Computer-aided design creating perfect custom implants
- Surgical simulation predicting soft tissue response
- AI-optimized approach planning for minimal scarring
Future (10-15 years):
- Controlled bone growth using stem cells and scaffolds
- Gradual expansion techniques that mimic natural development
- Gene therapy potentially allowing bone remodeling without surgery
- Bioactive materials that stimulate your own bone to grow in desired pattern
Jaw Surgery / Facial Depth
This is where AI is ALREADY making huge impacts.
Current State:
- Orthognathic surgery is well-established
- Can move jaws in any direction
- Fixes functional and aesthetic issues
AI Integration (HAPPENING NOW):
- FDA-approved AI software for jaw surgery planning (approved 2023)
- Machine learning models diagnosing skeletal malocclusion with 95%+ accuracy
- AI predicting post-surgery facial changes with unprecedented accuracy
- Computer-aided surgical simulation (CASS) now standard in advanced centers
- AI analyzing CT scans and generating patient-specific surgical guides automatically
Near Future (5 years):
- Robotic assistance for bone cuts with sub-millimeter precision
- Real-time AI guidance during surgery
- Automated outcome prediction based on thousands of cases
- Personalized recovery protocols generated by AI
Long Term (10-20 years):
- Potential for gradual bone repositioning without major surgery
- Distraction osteogenesis combined with AI monitoring
- Stem cell therapies allowing bone remodeling
- Possibly growing entire new jaw sections from your own cells
Multiple studies from 2024-2025 show AI models are already better than experienced surgeons at planning some aspects of jaw surgery. This tech is being refined FAST.
The Asian/Indian/Aboriginal "Problem" (Its Not Real)
First off, anyone saying its "over" for specific ethnicities is coping hard and doesn't understand modern surgery. The ONLY reason certain features seem harder to change is because surgeons had less experience with diverse facial structures. AI is changing this MASSIVELY.
Why AI Fixes This:
- Machine learning trained on DIVERSE populations, not just white faces
- AI analyzing beauty standards across different cultures
- Personalized surgical planning that respects ethnic identity while enhancing harmony
- Virtual surgical planning eliminating the "one size fits all" approach
Specific Applications:
- AI analyzing ideal eye shapes across East Asian, Southeast Asian, South Asian populations
- Customized implants designed for specific bone structures
- Rhinoplasty planning that enhances while maintaining ethnic identity
- Jaw surgery protocols optimized for different facial architectures
The future isn't about looking "white" - its about AI understanding beauty across ALL phenotypes and helping surgeons achieve harmony within your ethnic context.
Long Midface
Current Fixes:
- Le Fort I osteotomy can shorten midface
- Cheek/paranasal implants create illusion of shorter midface
- Lip lifts reduce upper lip length
- Combined approaches
AI Optimization:
- Precise measurement and analysis of facial thirds
- AI determining exact amount of midface shortening needed
- 3D simulation showing multiple surgical options
- Computer-guided surgical planning for Le Fort procedures
Future:
- Less invasive distraction techniques
- Controlled bone remodeling
- AI-optimized combinations of procedures for natural results
Shallow Set Eyes
Current:
- Orbital decompression for bulging eyes
- Infraorbital rim implants for depth
- Fat grafting around eyes
- Combination approaches
AI Advances:
- Precise analysis of orbital depth and projection
- Custom implant design for ideal eye positioning
- Surgical simulation showing soft tissue changes
- AI-guided placement for optimal results
Framelet / Body Frame
Okay this ones interesting because it goes beyond face.
Current:
- Shoulder widening surgery exists (clavicle lengthening)
- Pectoral implants
- Calf implants
- Hip narrowing procedures
Future (10-20 years):
- Potential for controlled bone growth in clavicles
- Stem cell therapies for muscle enhancement
- Gene therapies (this is super experimental but research is happening)
- AI-optimized training protocols maximizing natural potential
Real talk: Frame is harder because its more systemic, but even here, the combination of current procedures + emerging regenerative medicine could allow significant changes. Not as immediately promising as facial stuff but getting there.
"Dicklet"
Not gonna go super deep here because this is more appropriate for other forums but yes, there's advancement here too. Penile implants, tissue engineering research, stem cell therapies being explored. AI-guided surgical planning is coming to urology too. Its a thing.
THE TIMELINE - When Does This Become Accessible?
RIGHT NOW (2025):
- Internal limb lengthening with PRECICE Max
- Advanced orbital procedures by specialist surgeons
- AI-guided jaw surgery at major centers
- Canthal tilt surgery
- Cheekbone augmentation
- Comprehensive facial planning with VSP
2-5 YEARS:
- AI becomes standard in most facial surgeons practices
- Robotic assistance in craniofacial surgery
- More affordable international options as tech spreads
- Better outcome prediction (you'll KNOW what you'll look like)
- Reduced complications through AI monitoring
5-10 YEARS:
- Early regenerative medicine approaches (stem cells + growth factors)
- Dramatically faster healing times
- Less invasive techniques for most procedures
- Controlled bone growth for minor adjustments
- AI-optimized protocols specific to YOUR genetics
- Costs drop significantly as procedures become more common
10-20 YEARS:
- Tissue engineering becomes practical
- Injectable bone growth treatments
- Gradual aesthetic changes without major surgery
- Possibly gene therapies for bone/tissue remodeling
- AI so advanced it can simulate and optimize entire transformation plans
- Procedures that seem extreme today become routine
WHY I'M OPTIMISTIC
Look at what happened with limb lengthening. 20 years ago it was brutal external fixators, months of pain, huge complications. Now its internal nails you control with a remote, walk same day, heal 2-4x faster with biological boosters.
The SAME trajectory is happening with facial surgery. The PRECICE Max for limb lengthening literally came out THIS YEAR (2025). The AI surgical planning systems got FDA approval in 2023-2024. The stem cell research papers are coming out MONTHLY.
We're not talking about science fiction - this is ACTIVE research with real results published in medical journals. Multiple studies show:
- AI surgical planning reducing revision rates by 22%
- Stem cell scaffolds increasing bone density by 25%
- Healing times cut by 45% with BMP-7
- Precision improving with machine learning
- Costs dropping as tech matures
THE REAL BLACKPILL
The real blackpill isn't that "its over" - its that you might be wasting time dooming when you could be:
- Saving money for procedures
- Staying healthy so you're a good surgical candidate
- Researching the BEST surgeons using these technologies
- Following the emerging research
Anyone under 30 right now? You're gonna see most of this tech become mainstream in your lifetime. Maybe even within the next decade.
The kids being born TODAY might grow up in a world where changing your eye spacing or adding 4 inches of height is as routine as getting braces. The technology is moving THAT fast.
FINAL THOUGHTS
I'm not saying everyone needs surgery or that looks are everything. But for those of us who've been told "its over" because of close set eyes, manlet height, bad canthal tilt, weak midface, whatever - the future is genuinely looking insane in the best way possible.
The combination of AI surgical planning, regenerative medicine, tissue engineering, and robotic assistance is creating a perfect storm of advancement. What seems impossible today might be routine tomorrow.
So nah, its not over. Not even close. We're literally at the beginning of the golden age of this stuff. The only question is how fast you want to move on getting current procedures vs waiting for the even better stuff thats coming.
Stay optimistic bros. The future is gonna be wild.
TL;DR: AI + stem cells + tissue engineering + robotic surgery = almost everything currently considered "its over" will be fixable within 10-20 years, with major improvements in the next 5 years. The tech is advancing way faster than most people realize. Do your research, stay informed, and stop dooming.
