how does nihilism not automatically translate to pessimism

[wollet2]

?

 

[wollet2]

meaning not existing disfavours ultimate human well being

 

[wollet2]

basically we suffer hard and we crave a good reason that itll be worth it but it doesnt exist thats just horrible
we only suffer

 

[FascisstChad]

It does translate. If nothing matters at all you begin to assume the worst subconsciously even though you think nothing has value. Nihilism is unnatural as you do place subconscious value on things so to believe nothing has value would eventually lead to pessimism.

 

[wollet2]

It does translate. If nothing matters at all you begin to assume the worst subconsciously even though you think nothing has value. Nihilism is unnatural as you do place subconscious value on things so to believe nothing has value would eventually lead to pessimism.

i always thought that atleast avoiding suffering has personal value to everyone otherwise why dont you just stab yourself in the eye and seek antipain medication. if its implied that you might suffer forever (Thats what nihilism implies) thats fucking horrible

nihilism doesnt depress unconscious agents like rocks but it does humans who are conscious and can experience suffering

 

[Deleted member 75672]

absurdism is the way

 

[wollet2]

It does translate. If nothing matters at all you begin to assume the worst subconsciously even though you think nothing has value. Nihilism is unnatural as you do place subconscious value on things so to believe nothing has value would eventually lead to pessimism.

what are ur beliefs

 

[Poopless One]

Dont adopt it. It'll only make your life worse.

 

[wollet2]

absurdism is the way

how
i think absurdism is just trolling atp

and our core experiences/suffering doesnt change

 

[Deleted member 75672]

how
i think absurdism is just trolling atp

and our core experiences/suffering doesnt change

i view absurdism as basically saying 'fuck it we ball' and enjoying things like talking to people/nature (basic earthly pleasures)

you are probably older than me and view this differently but this what helped me

 

[FascisstChad]

what are ur beliefs

Orthodox Christian, life has inherent value. The purpose of your life for the average person should just be to live, reproduce and embody Christian values. But some men are destined for greatness and triumph, the Caesars, Fords, Khans and Charlemagnes of this world who embody something beyond the physical and are more than human, quasi immortal.

 

[wollet2]

i view absurdism as basically saying 'fuck it we ball' and enjoying things like talking to people/nature (basic earthly pleasures)

you are probably older than me and view this differently but this what helped me

yeah absurdist is more like the trolling everyone type of guy but thats until things get too bad imo

i think i might used to enjoy some things (legit dont even remember if i did or i was just deluded) but i cant enjoy anything anymore so im left with the bad stuff

idkwhat the fuck i should do it might be done

 

[Deleted member 75672]

yeah absurdist is more like the trolling everyone type of guy but thats until things get too bad imo

i think i might used to enjoy some things (legit dont even remember if i did or i was just deluded) but i cant enjoy anything anymore so im left with the bad stuff

do you just like live every day the same? try changing some things you do in the day, maybe go out in the nature more (u prob tried this already but idk u)
might also be the fact that winter starts

 

[optimisticzoomer]

Orthodox Christian, life has inherent value. The purpose of your life for the average person should just be to live, reproduce and embody Christian values. But some men are destined for greatness and triumph, the Caesars, Fords, Khans and Charlemagnes of this world who embody something beyond the physical and are more than human, quasi immortal.

Why didn't they use any curries as examples? Biased

 

[wollet2]

do you just like live every day the same? try changing some things you do in the day, maybe go out in the nature more (u prob tried this already but idk u)
might also be the fact that winter starts

i try to change things it just gets worse . i dont even enjoy walks now . if i dont listen to music for too long a song sounds a bit better but that 'satisfies' me for too long again and i dont wanna hear music if that makes sense. like my refractory period is way too long and it takes so little to satisfy it

 

[wollet2]

Orthodox Christian, life has inherent value. The purpose of your life for the average person should just be to live, reproduce and embody Christian values. But some men are destined for greatness and triumph, the Caesars, Fords, Khans and Charlemagnes of this world who embody something beyond the physical and are more than human, quasi immortal.

i like aspects of christianity i was also raised orthodox but i dont have enough evidence for it and i hard logically disagree with some of the scriptures

definitely wish it was true bar some written things instead of stuff like buddhism/hinduism that supposedly try to align with human logic but also fail in pathetic ways

 

[looksmaxxed]

nihilism is about trying to find motivating force beyond religion. in short it's about rationalizing and coping at a galactic level

 

[wollet2]

nihilism is about trying to find motivating force beyond religion. in short it's about rationalizing and coping at a galactic level

thats more like an attempt at positive nihilism the basic notion of nihilism doesnt try to find motivation

 

[Deleted member 43881]

nihilism says nothing matters and has no morals

pessimism uses morals to say everything sucks

 

[wollet2]

nihilism is about trying to find motivating force beyond religion. in short it's about rationalizing and coping at a galactic level

things beyond religion obv motivate you in day to day life but theyre not enough to not be depressed for many. and many people arent even motivated while being depressed

 

[wollet2]

pessimism uses morals to say everything sucks

it uses very basic morals / rules most people agree on
it doesnt matter if theyre meaningless/non applicable to rocks lol

saying nothing matters is just pretentious/trolling and completely worthless to humans
not getting stabbed in the eye matters. protecting a 5yo from rape matters

 

[Deleted member 43881]

it uses very basic morals / rules most people agree on
it doesnt matter if theyre meaningless/non applicable to rocks lol

saying nothing matters is just pretentious/trolling and completely worthless to humans

they would be a nihilistic pessimist

being a pessimist doesn’t mean you have to be nihilistic

 

[wollet2]

they would be a nihilistic pessimist

who would i got confused w this term

being a pessimist doesn’t mean you have to be nihilistic

i agree w ig in a scenario you believe theres a universal plan against you but in human logic nihilism leads to pessimism

 

[Deleted member 43881]

saying nothing matters is just pretentious/trolling and completely worthless to humans
not getting stabbed in the eye matters. protecting a 5yo from rape matters

no, taoism and buddhism are built on absolute nihilism

my morals don’t care for anyone outside of me and my circle, i wouldn’t say what happens to someone else matters to me

 

[FascisstChad]

i like aspects of christianity i was also raised orthodox but i dont have enough evidence for it and i hard logically disagree with some of the scriptures

definitely wish it was true bar some written things instead of stuff like buddhism/hinduism that supposedly try to align with human logic but also fail in pathetic ways

The shroud is good evidence. When people try to say it was debunked they’re referring to an old test done with outside material. Later tests proved that was cloth added later due to damage, tests on the oldest cloth (original and untouched cloth) prove that it’s around the time of Christ. That combined with the facts of the nature of the shroud and how it basically has a 3d image imprinted is great proof. No one with modern science can recreate its effects so how could some medieval people forge it?

 

[wollet2]

no, taoism and buddhism are built on absolute nihilism

ehh some versions of of them. most people dont even recognise what these religion/philosophies are tryng to say, some expect a experienceable state of bliss post death aka the western heaven, its debated what nirvana actually is and versions disagree. buddhists themselves dont even know what theyre trying to say tbh i dont hold them in high regard so wont go into it more also huge chunks of these religions are still mythology/speculations based on nothing

my morals don’t care for anyone outside of me and my circle, i wouldn’t say what happens to someone else matters to me

nah most people hard agree its evil to rape a 5yo, the ones that disagree are viewed as jokes/evil by the other group and that already creates a distinction

 

[incel194012940]

when the philosophy of nihilism is applied to winners who feel bad about winning

nothing matters so i don't have to feel bad that i cucked a dude and i dont have to be productive or whatever i can just chill

 

[MikeMew'sBitch]

There was some rich decent looking harvard student who was obsessed with nihilism. He wrote like 9000 page essay on nihilism and pointlesness of not just life, but whole universe. He than brought a gun to a university and shot himself in the head in the middle of a harvard lobby entrance that was full of people. That was like in 2010

 

[wollet2]

when the philosophy of nihilism is applied to winners who feel bad about winning

nothing matters so i don't have to feel bad that i cucked a dude and i dont have to be productive or whatever i can just chill

yeah thats a use but even this winner will eventually get struck from not directly human caused suffering what will he think then

and what about the avg guy who gets constantly plagued by things

 

[wollet2]

when the philosophy of nihilism is applied to winners who feel bad about winning

nothing matters so i don't have to feel bad that i cucked a dude and i dont have to be productive or whatever i can just chill

its only right if he realises hes lucky to be chilling now but that can rapidly change anytime
so the only right mindset is that of a abused dog all else is low sentience

 

[alurmo]

whats your belief/ideology

 

[wollet2]

whats your belief/ideology

pessimist sadly

 

[Defeatist]

i try to change things it just gets worse . i dont even enjoy walks now . if i dont listen to music for too long a song sounds a bit better but that 'satisfies' me for too long again and i dont wanna hear music if that makes sense. like my refractory period is way too long and it takes so little to satisfy it

just do drugs