How important is money in attraction?

[ScramFranklin]

For men, obviously. Any studies on it? Assuming the same looks, is there a difference in attraction to a male right in the median income, vs top 25 percentile, 10 percentile, 1 percentile?

This breaks down the income percentile by sex: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-sex-calculator/

And this breaks it down by age: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-age-calculator/

 

[Htobrother]

If you are homeless and look good to them they will suck your dick

 

[Deleted member 6403]

money's important if u wanna be a beta buxx lmao

 

[ScramFranklin]

money's important if u wanna be a beta buxx lmao

AF/BB happens, but the majority of women go for both, as best as they can. I read a study showing that it's typically the lower value women who use a dual mating strategy.

 

[mikeock]

Only a fool uses his money to do the initial attraction. You will just get gold diggers and whores that way. If you have money, you're better off revealing that fact slowly and naturally AFTER you've attracted her with your looks and voice. That way you will be the full package in her eyes

 

[Chinacurry]

Money has zero impact on TRUE attraction, it can just persuade really poor girls to betabux you.
Money also has very little impact on happyness and utility, only really makes a difference if you earn very little, or an extremely high amount

 

[Moneymaxxed]

Money has zero impact on TRUE attraction, it can just persuade really poor girls to betabux you.
Money also has very little impact on happyness and utility, only really makes a difference if you earn very little, or an extremely high amount

Close, money helps happiness/utility up until a certain point then levels off

 

[Inscol]

Money is worth 0% in terms of pure attraction, money can't and won't make girls attracted to you. But money will make them crave your assets i.e your money. Anyone who thinks women are actually attracted to men with money are coping hard and has Dan Bilzerian tier IQ

 

[eduardkoopman]

Guestimations.
In "raw" attraction, maybe 15% max. As is gives status also, and she has a reason to look up to you which also adds a bit to your sexy-ness.
In "raw" attraction, it's like 75% body + face. And then money and status can add like maybe 15% on that, and then comes the rest.

Some, plenty women. Like a comfortable/"safe" lyfestyle (highly dependant on personal factors and location). And are willing to compromise (alot) on raw attraction, in exchange for comfort/safty.

I can totally understand , a woman doing that. I mean, if I lived in some 3rd world shithole with hopeless or bad prospecs for a comfortable-ish lifestyle. I might compromise on looks standards also.
Like this woman did, for example. No way, that this woman is not compromising on her looks standards for a mate:



This woman is really a trooper. She really was willing to compromise ALL her looks standards. Almost worth a medal, for willing to put up with something like that. She likely did it only mostly, for the future and sake of her kid. To be willing and able to stoop so low, I almost respect it.

 

[ScramFranklin]

Only a fool uses his money to do the initial attraction. You will just get gold diggers and whores that way. If you have money, you're better off revealing that fact slowly and naturally AFTER you've attracted her with your looks and voice. That way you will be the full package in her eyes

I agree. I'm still looksmaxxing. But I'm a top 16 percenter for my age (both sexes), and top 29 percenter for males regardless of age. Based on my above links.

And just wondering if it's worth it to pursue an MBA and switch to a more lucrative, stressful career... that would put me in the top 1-5 percentiles of both income for age, and income for males overall. I seriously sometimes feel that I don't make enough, regardless of looks. That cute girls only want guys who are hot AND are in the top income percentiles.

 

[Germania]

It nearly dosen't matter in first world countries if it's about women

 

[ScramFranklin]

Guestimations.
In "raw" attraction, maybe 15% max. As is gives status also, and she has a reason to look up to you which also adds a bit to your sexy-ness.
In "raw" attraction, it's like 75% body + face. And then money and status can add like maybe 15% on that, and then comes the rest.

Some, plenty women. Like a comfortable/"safe" lyfestyle (highly dependant on personal factors and location). And are willing to compromise (alot) on raw attraction, in exchange for comfort/safty.

I can totally understand , a woman doing that. I mean, if I lived in some 3rd world shithole with hopeless or bad prospecs for a comfortable-ish lifestyle. I might compromise on looks standards also.
Like this woman did, for example. No way, that this woman is not compromising on her looks standards for a mate:



This woman is really a trooper. She really was willing to compromise ALL her looks standards. Almost worth a medal, for willing to put up with something like that. She likely did it only mostly, for the future and sake of her kid. To be willing and able to stoop so low, I almost respect it.

Guestimations.
In "raw" attraction, maybe 15% max. As is gives status also, and she has a reason to look up to you which also adds a bit to your sexy-ness.
In "raw" attraction, it's like 75% body + face. And then money and status can add like maybe 15% on that, and then comes the rest.

Some, plenty women. Like a comfortable/"safe" lyfestyle (highly dependant on personal factors and location). And are willing to compromise (alot) on raw attraction, in exchange for comfort/safty.

I can totally understand , a woman doing that. I mean, if I lived in some 3rd world shithole with hopeless or bad prospecs for a comfortable-ish lifestyle. I might compromise on looks standards also.
Like this woman did, for example. No way, that this woman is not compromising on her looks standards for a mate:



This woman is really a trooper. She really was willing to compromise ALL her looks standards. Almost worth a medal, for willing to put up with something like that. She likely did it only mostly, for the future and sake of her kid. To be willing and able to stoop so low, I almost respect it.

It's interesting, especially since either of those guys don't make much money. I'm not really that interested in foreign women though, atleast for now. I wonder if the income percentile requirements increase as a man gets older. For example, in your 30's, if you want to date someone in their mid twenties, do you need to be maybe a 15 percenter rather than just get by? Assuming equal looks of course.

 

[Deleted member 5892]

Not important for attraction. Power/status is more important. For example, no one respects mark zuckerberg just because hes rich but you respect someone with less money but high status like a high T businessman who doesnt earn as much

 

[DrTony]

For men, obviously. Any studies on it? Assuming the same looks, is there a difference in attraction to a male right in the median income, vs top 25 percentile, 10 percentile, 1 percentile?

This breaks down the income percentile by sex: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-sex-calculator/

And this breaks it down by age: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-age-calculator/

From my own experience which is plentiful, LOOKS is KING when it comes to attracting partners or hook ups. However, while good looks can easily land you in triple digit lays, in order to secure *very good looking girls* you need to have both status and money on top of looks. If you have none of the three, you are out of the dating game completely.

 

[owlofathena]

Money is worth 0% in terms of pure attraction, money can't and won't make girls attracted to you. But money will make them crave your assets i.e your money. Anyone who thinks women are actually attracted to men with money are coping hard and has Dan Bilzerian tier IQ

Do you think Donald trump still has sex with Melania lol

Not important for attraction. Power/status is more important. For example, no one respects mark zuckerberg just because hes rich but you respect someone with less money but high status like a high T businessman who doesnt earn as much

If Mark Zuckerberg was poor it would be fully over for him

 

[ScramFranklin]

From my own experience which is plentiful, LOOKS is KING when it comes to attracting partners or hook ups. However, while good looks can easily land you in triple digit lays, in order to secure *very good looking girls* you need to have both status and money on top of looks. If you have none of the three, you are out of the dating game completely.

What would you consider meeting the money portion in terms of securing the "very good looking girls". I have my looks plan and know how to maximize them, I just don't know what I should do with my career future (if it's good as is, or I need to be a total baller, ie top 1-5%er)

 

[eduardkoopman]

It's interesting, especially since either of those guys don't make much money.

First guy with that model looking gf/wife. It multi-milliare for sure. That other guy in the 2nd video, probably middle class at best range,

I wonder if the income percentile requirements increase as a man gets older.

It should be. Millionare in your 30's, is really fucking rare. Most milluonares become so at 62. And mst rich men accumulted their wealth in their 40's and 50's.
So high incoma and wealth in your 30's is more rare. Thus should be: less neded. And/or should give you ALOT more bonus points.

For example, in your 30's, if you want to date someone in their mid twenties, do you need to be maybe a 15 percenter rather than just get by? Assuming equal looks of course.

Mayby your are right.

I feel it to be like this. But can't proof anything.
Between a certain level, extra income does some but doesn't do much. It doesn't compensate for lesser looks for sure.
Lets say dude 1 makes net 3300 per month (50%). And another dude 2 makes 5000 net per month (75%). I think most 25 year old women care little about such difference (especially if it comes with less free time for dude 2). Both men can't splurgde really anyways, lifestyle will be some gap but not such a big gap. So dude 2 can take a bitch to a fancy lunch at restaurant, but dude 1 when being a bit creative can create an near equal experience with less money with a picknick for example. Both can safe for a holiday, dude 1 needs to be more low budget but can create near equal exprience, I guestimate as dude 2.
Also, dude 2 doesn't make enough to get a real golddigger. She will find him poor.
So, moveing around up or down in that mid range I don't see it doing much. Geting in that 10% monet wise, is when stuff starts to happen; I guestimate.

That said.
I also life in a weird nation. Where because of all kind or programms (welfare type stuff, and costst compesation from governments). Someone that earns before taxtation €1800. Will have nearly the same (maybe like 300 euro difference) in spendable income as someone earning €3300 per month pre tax.

 

[DrTony]

What would you consider meeting the money portion in terms of securing the "very good looking girls". I have my looks plan and know how to maximize them, I just don't know what I should do with my career future (if it's good as is, or I need to be a total baller, ie top 1-5%er)

Be good at something that is esteemed/held in high regard. Be good enough at it to become a prominent member in society.
And always remember if you are below average/average in looks this shit is POINTLESS. Never forget!

 

[ScramFranklin]

Be good at something that is esteemed/held in high regard. Be good enough at it to become a prominent member in society.
And always remember if you are below average/average in looks this shit is POINTLESS. Never forget!

Of course, be good at whatever you do. But in terms of income, are these dudes who "have it all" and get the best girls in the top 20th percentile, or do you mean dudes who are investment bankers, surgeons... the 1-3%?

I'm an engineercel, and by the time I'm done surgerymaxxing I will be around 33, and making around $120k (with a job switch). Or I could get a fulltime MBA and come out of school at 32 making $170-200k at a more stressful job. Are the classy, good looking women only shooting for the dudes making the really big bucks?

Because either career choice I make, my end looks will be the same. I know what surgeries I need.

 

[DrTony]

It is less about money, more about visibility, status and power.
Remember most women are independent nowadays so they go for good looking attractive men. But if you want to have choosing power in the upper echelons of women, you need to have it all. Think of it this way for the power/status thing, if she can't post you on instagram to flaunt to her followers and friends, you have lost.

Anyhow, 95% of the whole thing is LOOKS/SEX APPEAL anyway. Whoever thinks money will get you women is coping hard.

 

[eduardkoopman]

I'm an engineercel, and by the time I'm done surgerymaxxing I will be around 33, and making around $120k (with a job switch). Or I could get a fulltime MBA and come out of school at 32 making $170-200k at a more stressful job. Are the classy, good looking women only shooting for the dudes making the really big bucks?

LOL @ describing golddiggers/BetaBuxx-maxxing women as: "classy".

Both incomes are really good, I think So that shoudl help, and you likely (ifaverage looking) will be casted as BetaBuxx matreial by the kind of women that are looking for that.
I'm 37. And I don't make that type of income as you mentioned. But some do assume so, or I look like I do somehow.
The woman that cast me for the betaBuxx role, NOT GOOD women. defenately not "classy". Most have really bad baggage at that age (30's), basically they have a kid or debts or poor or etc.. While I in the West don't see many 20 - 25 year olds being impressed with BetaBuxxing (unles mega rich); they are more about fun and free time and excitement

Making $170-200k at a more stressful job. Basically no free time. Might mak private life maxxing more difficult, which includes dating and stuff.

 

[Lars]

they are not attracted to you they are attracted to the money

 

[Matthias8272]

It doesn't matter much and it will continue to matter less. Men are paying them thousands to see half naked photos and paying to have conversations. Clown world

 

[Deleted member 1332]

I come from a pretty well-off family, and go to a major university. I drive one of the most expensive/unique cars in the area, which at my age is the epitome of showing off wealth or status.

You know how many girls care about how nice your car is if you aren't at least above-average looking? None.

Money isn't shit compared to looks. Money shouldn't even be brought up on this forum outside of the idea that money-maxxing is needed so that one can pursue looksmaxxing as well as live a somewhat less stressful life.

 

[eduardkoopman]

You know how many girls care about how nice your car is if you aren't at least above-average looking? None.

BRUTAL.

I get how moneymaxxing got popular. It's a strategy from the older times (in the West at least). And still works great in rd world countries.
But nowadays, BetaBuxxing in the West lost alot of value. Only does it still help, if you are like a multi millionaire and it shows in lifestyle. Otherwise, it does little.

LocationMaxxing with money though. Is still very legit.
If you as a millionaore Westerner go life in Russia for example. You'll be drowning in good looking women

 

[ScramFranklin]

BRUTAL.

I get how moneymaxxing got popular. It's a strategy from the older times (in the West at least). And still works great in rd world countries.
But nowadays, BetaBuxxing in the West lost alot of value. Only does it still help, if you are like a multi millionaire and it shows in lifestyle. Otherwise, it does little.

LocationMaxxing with money though. Is still very legit.
If you as a millionaore Westerner go life in Russia for example. You'll be drowning in good looking women

Yea, I agree it matters way more then. I even think a guy making 100k could do well in Russia.

Once I finish surgerymaxxing, I think I was just a bit worried since I'll be in my low to mid 30's, that I will need even more value to compensate for my age, ie money.

 

[6ft8InTheNetherlands]

As expected people underestimate the power of money on this forum.

Lol @ thinking you will get and keep women when you are in your 30s, 40s and 50s just based off your looks alone.

It is just as delusional as thinking surgery will make you PSL 7 or 8.

You should spend your 20s and 30s moneymaxxing or you will be getting a rude awakening when you hit late 30s and 40s.

Women find men with money, and often the power and status that comes along with it, much more attractive, independent of their looks.

The only men who get played by gold diggers are submissive beta males with zero dating IQ and experience. However, if you are a 2/10, the only option you have is to be a beta bux. But most men aren't that ugly.

A smart, rich man can easily fool women into thinking they'll be benefiting from his money and in the end just fuck her and dump her whenever he wishes without paying a single dime. Women are just attracted to powerful, rich men. It literally doesn't matter why a woman likes you or for what reason. Women are stupid creatures anyway.

Sure, she might cheat on you with the 9/10 Chad/Tyrone pool guy, but who cares? Women cheat regardless who they're with and at the same time, women will also leave their husband/bf to be with a richer, successful man.

 

[mikeock]

BRUTAL.

I get how moneymaxxing got popular. It's a strategy from the older times (in the West at least). And still works great in rd world countries.
But nowadays, BetaBuxxing in the West lost alot of value. Only does it still help, if you are like a multi millionaire and it shows in lifestyle. Otherwise, it does little.

LocationMaxxing with money though. Is still very legit.
If you as a millionaore Westerner go life in Russia for example. You'll be drowning in good looking women

Doesn't matter, they will treat you like shit. I live in a shithole country in sub saharan Africa and I've seen women who were rescued from the slums and put in mansions by white men and still they treat those men like shit

As expected people underestimate the power of money on this forum.

Lol @ thinking you will get and keep women when you are in your 30s, 40s and 50s just based off your looks alone.

It is just as delusional as thinking surgery will make you PSL 7 or 8.

You should spend your 20s and 30s moneymaxxing or you will be getting a rude awakening when you hit late 30s and 40s.

Women find men with money, and often the power and status that comes along with it, much more attractive, independent of their looks.

The only men who get played by gold diggers are submissive beta males with zero dating IQ and experience. However, if you are a 2/10, the only option you have is to be a beta bux. But most men aren't that ugly.

A smart, rich man can easily fool women into thinking they'll be benefiting from his money and in the end just fuck her and dump her whenever he wishes without paying a single dime. Women are just attracted to powerful, rich men.

Sure, she might cheat on you with the 9/10 Chad/Tyrone pool guy, but who cares? Women cheat regardless who they're with and at the same time, women will also leave their husband/bf to be with a richer, successful man.

Men like you who talk tough about using money to fuck and run are clowns. What ends up happening is that you surround yourself with gold diggers and whores, then eventually the law of averages kicks in and you fall head over heels in love with one of them. Then everyone around you will see this woman is using you, but you will not care

 

[Chinacurry]

Close, money helps happiness/utility up until a certain point then levels off

Saying the same thing brother, money increases utility at the very low end, else u need to get a HUGE increase in wealth to have any benefit (because the increase diminishes so fast it has almost levelled off). The same increase you get from earning £20k a year to £25k (+20%) a year, you would get if you go from earning £500k a year to earning £5m (+1000%) a year.

This does not apply to money copers, particularly rice or curry ones

 

[RAITEIII]

From my own experience which is plentiful, LOOKS is KING when it comes to attracting partners or hook ups. However, while good looks can easily land you in triple digit lays, in order to secure *very good looking girls* you need to have both status and money on top of looks. If you have none of the three, you are out of the dating game completely.

Nice. Just my thoughts.

Rich chad > Poor chad. Chad regardless tho

 

[eduardkoopman]

Yea, I agree it matters way more then. I even think a guy making 100k could do well in Russia.

Outside of places like Moscou. 100k per year is for Russian standards very very rich. That 100k has in those places likely the purchasing power of 300k in the West (maybe more). I guestimate.

Once I finish surgerymaxxing, I think I was just a bit worried since I'll be in my low to mid 30's, that I will need even more value to compensate for my age, ie money.

A man is as old as he looks, in the eyes of people. And that = determined by:
* his skin quality; and
* his hairline (and color).
I'm 37. I look mid-late 20's; and get treated like a mid-late 20's. EVEN after they know my actual age.
Age is less of a factor for men (since we keep fertility better); then it is for women.

Doesn't matter, they will treat you like shit. I live in a shithole country in sub saharan Africa and I've seen women who were rescued from the slums and put in mansions by white men and still they treat those men like shit

#metoo. They get a few good years often. Often long-term it's different. I know a dude with a Laos woman, that he saved and brought to Netherlands. She starts getting more and more difficult towards him I notice.
I know a street where alot of Thai/Philipines women life. They al divorced their husand after 5 years (then get citizenship and can collect/ask for wellfare). 1 guy with a Ukraine woman I know, she had a chicld already (single mom); those 2 seem to be getting along the most well already for 6+ years now. That said, local women treat men even worse often, so in essence there is basically not much difference.

As expected people underestimate the power of money on this forum.

Lol @ thinking you will get and keep women when you are in your 30s, 40s and 50s just based off your looks alone.

It is just as delusional as thinking surgery will make you PSL 7 or 8.

You should spend your 20s and 30s moneymaxxing or you will be getting a rude awakening when you hit late 30s and 40s.

Women find men with money, and often the power and status that comes along with it, much more attractive, independent of their looks.

The only men who get played by gold diggers are submissive beta males with zero dating IQ and experience. However, if you are a 2/10, the only option you have is to be a beta bux. But most men aren't that ugly.

A smart, rich man can easily fool women into thinking they'll be benefiting from his money and in the end just fuck her and dump her whenever he wishes without paying a single dime. Women are just attracted to powerful, rich men. It literally doesn't matter why a woman likes you or for what reason. Women are stupid creatures anyway.

Sure, she might cheat on you with the 9/10 Chad/Tyrone pool guy, but who cares? Women cheat regardless who they're with and at the same time, women will also leave their husband/bf to be with a richer, successful man.

This above, I feel aplies most to women past late 20's in general, do you agree or not? I fel younger women are more occupied (in the West) with young = fun-time and money I'll worry about later when I'm older nd want kids (most start thinking with that nowadyas in late 20's at the earliest).
That's you experience? Maybe you are older, and observed that? Do you also think, above is shifting a bit now and becoming less like that?
I do know, rich dude that are socially smart can fool golddiggers a bit, and get by on the free sex samples women hand out when trying to secure a rich BetaBuxxer. These men don't wanna BetaBuxx (at all, or with that woman), but still can get the free 1x sex these women hand out. because these women hope to get that men, by giving them good sex and then they hope that dude falls in love with her beacuse of that.

 

[eduardkoopman]

From my own experience which is plentiful, LOOKS is KING when it comes to attracting partners or hook ups. However, while good looks can easily land you in triple digit lays, in order to secure *very good looking girls* you need to have both status and money on top of looks. If you have none of the three, you are out of the dating game completely.

100% agree.
I also like to add the age factor of women.
I feel in the West, maybe I'm wrong. That money does less for prime (attractiveness) aged women (18-26 years old). Where the focus besides looks is much more on fun and excitement a man brings, and less about money. Only after that age of 26 and higher, and she wants kids (most want it around 30 nowadays) does money become all of a sudden a more important factor. There are some smart men with money,(that can't get rime pussy), that play that (late 20's & 30's year old women) pretty well; by pretending stuff and getting free sample sex from those (past prime) women.

For me. BetaBuxxing a 30-something year old woman makes no sense. For prime women, I can semi understand it. Because she is sharing her prime with you, and likely out of your looks league. But a 30 year old woman, that was probably claiming independence all her younger years, and probably going to deteriorate in looks alot soon (and fertility gone also, for those wanting kids). It makes no sense to me, to betaBuxx that. Because she's just equal in dating market value, so why need to pony up money? What are you paying for? I understand, a dude going with such a woman, withoutBetaBuxxing, and her paying her own way and him paying her own way.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

From my own experience which is plentiful, LOOKS is KING when it comes to attracting partners or hook ups. However, while good looks can easily land you in triple digit lays, in order to secure *very good looking girls* you need to have both status and money on top of looks. If you have none of the three, you are out of the dating game completely.

Can confirm. Unless you’re high tier Chad if you have no money you aren’t getting more than one Stacy once every blue moon. Money mogs for getting quantity and quality, looks mogs for raw attraction when you do get a girl. Having both would be ideal

 

[ScramFranklin]

Can confirm. Unless you’re high tier Chad if you have no money you aren’t getting more than one Stacy once every blue moon. Money mogs for getting quantity and quality, looks mogs for raw attraction when you do get a girl. Having both would be ideal

What amount of income do you consider good? I posted links in my original post showing income percentile by age, and another one for income percentile by gender.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

What amount of income do you consider good? I posted links in my original post showing income percentile by age, and another one for income percentile by gender.

What would you consider meeting the money portion in terms of securing the "very good looking girls". I have my looks plan and know how to maximize them, I just don't know what I should do with my career future (if it's good as is, or I need to be a total baller, ie top 1-5%er)

if you are retiring with 1.5-2 million it really doesnt go that far, let me break it down



[11:33 AM]
this means you can spend about 5-8k a month depending on how aggressive you are, lets cal it 6500



[11:33 AM]
750 sq ft 1 bedroom apartment in city center of a decent city - $2500-3000



food/restaurants if not cooking at all - $1500




[11:34 AM]
random bills $200-300



[11:34 AM]
car $500



[11:34 AM]
ok so



[11:34 AM]
now you have a good car, a good place, and access to convenient food and eating out



[11:34 AM]
but you arent a baller by ANY means



[11:34 AM]
you just drive a beamer, live in a small but nice and centrally located apartment, and eat well



[11:34 AM]
and youre already at like



[11:35 AM]
$5k



[11:35 AM]
so you have $1k to blow on random shit



[11:35 AM]
u cant even travel with that



[11:35 AM]
now whwen i was spending 20k, thats another story altogether

thats why i think looking good is more realistic and achievable for most



[11:36 AM]
i cant get what @Kade gets with spending 20k a month in terms of raw attraction

 

[Pinhead]

honestly the best part about M is it gives you a higher purpose so you literally give less of a fuck about women if you have a masculine brain

but who was pussy? when you have things to work on daily, to fuel life energy into. Not giving a fuck literally raises your attraction since females are primitive af and this seriously fucks with their brain. Add to the fact you can custom tailor your living environment to be IDEAL for feeling good in the present/now and you set yourself up to live da good life. Fun/high energy/free flowing (m allows travel, spontaneity) = higher attraction

but ofc gold diggers are a thing if you use it as the primary source of attraction

should use it as a lifestyle augmentation tool and icing on the cake. Looksmax as much as possible and invest in things to avoid aging.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

BRUTAL.

I get how moneymaxxing got popular. It's a strategy from the older times (in the West at least). And still works great in rd world countries.
But nowadays, BetaBuxxing in the West lost alot of value. Only does it still help, if you are like a multi millionaire and it shows in lifestyle. Otherwise, it does little.

LocationMaxxing with money though. Is still very legit.
If you as a millionaore Westerner go life in Russia for example. You'll be drowning in good looking women

come EE max with me bro

Doesn't matter, they will treat you like shit. I live in a shithole country in sub saharan Africa and I've seen women who were rescued from the slums and put in mansions by white men and still they treat those men like shit


Men like you who talk tough about using money to fuck and run are clowns. What ends up happening is that you surround yourself with gold diggers and whores, then eventually the law of averages kicks in and you fall head over heels in love with one of them. Then everyone around you will see this woman is using you, but you will not care

damn based africacel

Outside of places like Moscou. 100k per year is for Russian standards very very rich. That 100k has in those places likely the purchasing power of 300k in the West (maybe more). I guestimate.


A man is as old as he looks, in the eyes of people. And that = determined by:
* his skin quality; and
* his hairline (and color).
I'm 37. I look mid-late 20's; and get treated like a mid-late 20's. EVEN after they know my actual age.
Age is less of a factor for men (since we keep fertility better); then it is for women.

#metoo. They get a few good years often. Often long-term it's different. I know a dude with a Laos woman, that he saved and brought to Netherlands. She starts getting more and more difficult towards him I notice.
I know a street where alot of Thai/Philipines women life. They al divorced their husand after 5 years (then get citizenship and can collect/ask for wellfare). 1 guy with a Ukraine woman I know, she had a chicld already (single mom); those 2 seem to be getting along the most well already for 6+ years now. That said, local women treat men even worse often, so in essence there is basically not much difference.


This above, I feel aplies most to women past late 20's in general, do you agree or not? I fel younger women are more occupied (in the West) with young = fun-time and money I'll worry about later when I'm older nd want kids (most start thinking with that nowadyas in late 20's at the earliest).
That's you experience? Maybe you are older, and observed that? Do you also think, above is shifting a bit now and becoming less like that?
I do know, rich dude that are socially smart can fool golddiggers a bit, and get by on the free sex samples women hand out when trying to secure a rich BetaBuxxer. These men don't wanna BetaBuxx (at all, or with that woman), but still can get the free 1x sex these women hand out. because these women hope to get that men, by giving them good sex and then they hope that dude falls in love with her beacuse of that.

I have fucked literally 50 girls who thought they'd get money out of me eventually

honestly the best part about M is it gives you a higher purpose so you literally give less of a fuck about women if you have a masculine brain

but who was pussy? when you have things to work on daily, to fuel life energy into. Not giving a fuck literally raises your attraction since females are primitive af and this seriously fucks with their brain. Add to the fact you can custom tailor your living environment to be IDEAL for feeling good in the present/now and you set yourself up to live da good life. Fun/high energy/free flowing (m allows travel, spontaneity) = higher attraction

but ofc gold diggers are a thing if you use it as the primary source of attraction

should use it as a lifestyle augmentation tool and icing on the cake. Looksmax as much as possible and invest in things to avoid aging.

gold diggers are the worst types of women outside of a bedroom tbh

 

[Pinhead]

come EE max with me bro

damn based africacel

I have fucked literally 50 girls who thought they'd get money out of me eventually

gold diggers are the worst types of women outside of a bedroom tbh

Yeah so you need to use the M to improve other aspects of your life and in general not give a fuck about women

if you give a fuck you've already lost, and will get cucked out of your hard earnings if you're legit simp tier

 

[ScramFranklin]

if you are retiring with 1.5-2 million it really doesnt go that far, let me break it down





[11:34 AM]
but you arent a baller by ANY means



[11:34 AM]
you just drive a beamer, live in a small but nice and centrally located apartment, and eat well

I didn't mention anything about retirement. I just asked what is a good income to be making to date these sloots. $100k enough? $200k? Or more.

Or probably a better indicator, what percentile?

This breaks down the income percentile by sex: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-sex-calculator/

And this breaks it down by age: https://dqydj.com/income-percentile-by-age-calculator/

 

[Deleted member 2012]

homeless

look good

oxymoron.
Even if you don't model you can apply for any job that doesn't require very specific set of skills and they will choose you.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

I didn't mention anything about retirement. I said what is a good income to be making to date these sloots. $100k enough? $200k? Or more.

There's a tradeoff to be made unless you make like 7 figures

Basically if you spend more you'll be able to get them but you fuck over your own financial future by not saving and investing enough. The only way around this is to make an absolute shitload of money but even then you could have saved more

I'd say minimum 10k-20k/mo spending is required to live a life where a girl that hot cares about your lifestyle, and if you're a normie wanting to betabuxx she must get like 5-10k a month in benefits if she's legit stacy tier PSL6+. The more GL you are the less it matters

It's just more realistic to look good and have decent money and get a stacylite than to try to use money to get really hot women. The bar is way too high

EDIT: These numbers are based off me having really good connections so they're probably even higher for the typical simp

Also the way you market yourself goes a long way, if you have good social media presence with 5-10k/mo posting good photos from lots of different activities and events its better than 20k a mo and no one knows what you're doing at all

 

[jackthenerd]

Money doesn't help imo unless you have "fuck you" money. Women don't really care, they don't get their hands on the money, that is the main issue. So why should they care? They get slightly better lifestyle that's it. So it only really matters if she's already in love with you, and you guys are in an LTR. It doesn't matter for attraction, hookups, getting laid, short term relationships.

I could go to South America, or Asia or whatever right now, and I'll 5x-50x their salary. But it won't matter. (Example of a situation where I 50x is if I compare myself to a Colombian waitress (they make $200 a month). I make 50 times that ($10k). Obviously average salary is higher than waitress salary. But look at countries in Asia, EE, South America, etc. In a lot of these countries they make $300-700 a month. Most westerners 10x those salaries easy.

Yes it helps a little bit, but you're not gonna slay effortlessly. Because the woman don't get anything out of it. Unless you end up betabuxxing her. So she won't really care. You're just another tourist that tries to get easy lays and pump and dump girls (that makes it quite a bit harder).

 

[Moneymaxxed]

Money doesn't help imo unless you have "fuck you" money. Women don't really care, they don't get their hands on the money, that is the main issue. So why should they care? They get slightly better lifestyle that's it. So it only really matters if she's already in love with you, and you guys are in an LTR. It doesn't matter for attraction, hookups, getting laid, short term relationships.

I could go to South America, or Asia or whatever right now, and I'll 5x-50x their salary. But it won't matter. (Example of a situation where I 50x is if I compare myself to a Colombian waitress (they make $200 a month). I make 50 times that ($10k). Obviously average salary is higher than waitress salary. But look at countries in Asia, EE, South America, etc. In a lot of these countries they make $300-700 a month. Most westerners 10x those salaries easy.

Yes it helps a little bit, but you're not gonna slay effortlessly. Because the woman don't get anything out of it. Unless you end up betabuxxing her.

Jack, this is where you're a bit wrong, if you're SPENDING 10x their wages money will in fact help you quite a bit as your lifestyle will be 2-3 standard deviations better. Unless you're spending it completely wrong, and even then it would help some

 

[jackthenerd]

Jack, this is where you're a bit wrong, if you're SPENDING 10x their wages money will in fact help you quite a bit as your lifestyle will be 2-3 standard deviations better. Unless you're spending it completely wrong, and even then it would help some

Obviously that would be the salary in the west. The issue is obviously when you pay your taxes, pay for your shit, pay for vacation, pay for flights etc, a huge portion of that capital decreases. And when you go there you're just another tourists trying to et laid. Idk if it helps you slay. If you live there "permanently" on the other hand and 10x their salary or more, then it would probably help quite a bit more.

 

[Htobrother]

 

[jackthenerd]

I feel like for money to really help you slay properly, you need to be willing to waste a lot and you need to be filthy rich. You can't just have a "standard" western lifestyle. Your lifestyle need to stand out a lot.

 

[Ascensionrequired]

No amount of money will make you sexually attractive and "trophy wives" rarely make happy marriages.

 

[Moneymaxxed]

I feel like for money to really help you slay properly, you need to be willing to waste a lot and you need to be filthy rich. You can't just have a "standard" western lifestyle. Your lifestyle need to stand out a lot.

is your income location independent?

 

[jackthenerd]

is your income location independent?

It's not. But even then, I'm not sure if it helps you that much tbh... Where do you find these girls? (Assuming you're not just paying escorts or something).

What if I lived in a country with $500 average salary, but I was making $5k or whatever. How do I translate that into a lot of slays with high quality women? How much improvement would I have with a salary like that? Obviously I'd agree it helps, and it's way better to make $5k instead of just being your average 3rd world shiter with a $500 a month.

This is with travelmaxxing btw. And 10xing their salary. Now imagine how little money would matter in the west. It's close to impossible to double the salary of an average westerner.

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An example of where money probably would matter a lot. Is if you're looking at a monogamous society, where the women are traditional house wifes and there was no way to fraud your income / wealth. Being with a rich guy then, massively improve their lives probably. Another example that's mentioned often on this forum is if you go the traditional betabuxx route. But you might end up getting scammed in the end since she isn't physically attracted to you.

I don't see how it can necessarily help you outslaying entire cities, hookups, getting laid without planning to betabux, approaching women IRL or whatever. The main issue is. Yes, you're siting there on all this wealth, but how do you reach out to tehse women? How do you meet them? Without just getting scammed or wasting too much money.

 

[Chinacurry]

Guestimations.
In "raw" attraction, maybe 15% max. As is gives status also, and she has a reason to look up to you which also adds a bit to your sexy-ness.
In "raw" attraction, it's like 75% body + face. And then money and status can add like maybe 15% on that, and then comes the rest.

You don't think Race comes into it? I mean other than the fact already captured by body and face? So the failo and associative representation effect? Or you think there is not much difference between an 7 PSL ethnic and a 7 PSL from a respected race, say Danish (yes I know most 7 PSL ethnics don't look 'ethnic hence avoid a lot of negative representation)?
Or do you think beyond that point the majority of residual variance is captured by money (whites are perceived as richer than ethnics, except sands)?