How long until the elites start making elections illegal?

[disillusioned]

I'm calling this right now. The elites will only be able to keep radicals (both alt-left as well as alt-right) at bay via propaganda, social suppression/bullying, election fraud etc for so long, until it just won't be good enough. Once it gets to a point where 30-50% of the population is basically voting for extremist parties (be it commie or fascist, or perhaps even Islam?) they won't be able to hold on to power democratically.

Here is what I think will happen, in the case of Europe at least.

Basically, they will eventually give the EU the right to overturn elections. They won't call it that course. Instead, they will basically create a list of "prerequisites" that new national governments must fulfill in order for any new government to be "legal" or "approved". Merely trying to make individual parties or candidates illegal via some kind of "hate speech" laws won't be good enough, because not every country will be able to consistently enforce those. Or want to. They will also make it illegal to leave the union without permission from the EU parliament, thus making it impossible for individual countries to leave on their own. They will enforce these rules via some kind of as of yet created EU military force.

Some say they will just try to rig the elections. I don't think so. For starters, election rigging arguably isn't even that effective in a multi-party system (the norm in most european countries) since parties don't actually need 50+% of the vote in order to make an impact. Secondly, it would be hard just rigging all the votes everywhere.

The only real course of action for the elites, therefore, is just getting rid of voting.

Some conspiracy theorists will make the case that this is the purpose of the endless lockdowns, and that they will be used an excuse to "postpone" all future elections forever. Or that the social ID system they are no doubt working on will be used to prevent "undesirables" from voting. Problem with this idea is that it only works as long as dissidents are a small minority. If 30-50% of the country just fucking hates you and you just suppress all of them it makes it obvious what you are doing. It would just create even more backslash.

Simply, the elites must get either get rid of voting, or lose in the long term. Voter/social suppression and propaganda will work for a while, but not once you are hated by almost everybody.

We are in for some interesting times.

I give it 4-12 years until we get to a point where they start banning votes/elections.

 

[Tony]

 

[Deleted member 12303]

I agree I think that will happen aswell

 

[Tony]

reminder op injects dyldos up his esshole

 

[Deleted member 12303]

reminder op injects dyldos up his esshole

caged

 

[Deleted member 10413]

Fuck you beat me to it

Well I hope you enjoy the 3-5 reacts this will get

 

[Blue]

You can explain so many things with lockdowns it's crazy. On one hand it sounds like schizo theories, on the other it makes too much sense for it not to be the case.

 

[disillusioned]

You can explain so many things with lockdowns it's crazy. On one hand it sounds like schizo theories, on the other it makes too much sense for it not to be the case.

They can't keep the lockdowns up forever though. Eventually even bluepilled normies will start questioning the logic of them. Like I've said, the elites cannot survive long term without getting rid of voting. Ultimately they are running out of time unless they just ditch any pretense of giving a shit about democracy. But even then, they might end up with a civil war if they do.

 

[Deleted member 7465]

 

[Blue]

They can't keep the lockdowns up forever though. Eventually even bluepilled normies will start questioning the logic of them. Like I've said, the elites cannot survive long term without getting rid of voting. Ultimately they are running out of time unless they just ditch any pretense of giving a shit about democracy. But even then, they might end up with a civil war if they do.

Doubt normies (at least in the west) would fight back. They're too busy with all the distractions. Let's see though.

 

[disillusioned]

Doubt normies (at least in the west) would fight back. They're too busy with all the distractions. Let's see though.

Normies are content because the elites have largely brainwashed them into thinking their voice actually matters. If the elites start actually preventing people from voting (or suspend the results of elections) then it would be an epic redpill for even normies.

 

[UltimateMan]

JFL if you think elections do anything anyway

 

[disillusioned]

JFL if you think elections do anything anyway

But they do, though. Look at how much the estalbishment was taken off-guard by Trump and Brexit. Sure, you can argue that ultimately they will find some way to bullshit their way past those hurdles, but the fact of the matter remains that those things WERE NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN. Yet they did. And now they are pissed.

Simply put, if enough people get angry then voting might actually become a legit threat to the elites. The reason they have been able to hold on unto power for so long is because they control the mainstream parties, and because normies have so far been apathetic. If that changes, and non-mainstream parties start actually becoming popular, then the elites will see it as a threat to their power. They will never tolerate this. If democracy cannot keep them in power, then they will get rid of it.

 

[Dogs]

Ngl I agree that they will get rid of elections.

 

[disillusioned]

Ngl I agree that they will get rid of elections.

But the question is when and how. The west is not North-Korea where the citizenry has been brainwashed into accepting totalitarian rule. Dictatorship isn't socially accepted in the west. If the political class just decides to get rid of voting without any perceived legitimacy from the masses, then the social unrest could end up being massive.

They won't go straight into full on dictatorship right away, naturally. They will start with smaller steps. Restrict voting for this or that group. Make it harder or impossible for these people or those people to participate in politics. But in the end it just won't be enough once enough people are angry.

I frankly see no way in which any of this can end without massive amounts of violence.

 

[Deleted member 2597]

Cope ppl are too soy to get violent

 

[disillusioned]

Cope ppl are too soy to get violent

Yes but this is largely because so far life has been comfortable enough that they don't see a reason to care. Once that changes, they will start rioting.

 

[Deleted member 7125]

 

[Deleted member 2597]

Yes but this is largely because so far life has been comfortable enough that they don't see a reason to care. Once that changes, they will start rioting.

How do u think framelet low t brainlet zoomer who has been coping with consuming for his entire existence be able to put up a fight, foids benefit from all this shit we will probably just get enslaved passively tbh.

 

[disillusioned]

How do u think framelet low t brainlet zoomer who has been coping with consuming for his entire existence be able to put up a fight, foids benefit from all this shit we will probably just get enslaved passively tbh.

Tbh aren't zoomers the group most likely to join rioters like antifa, alt-right, Islamism etc?

 

[Dogs]

But the question is when and how. The west is not North-Korea where the citizenry has been brainwashed into accepting totalitarian rule. Dictatorship isn't socially accepted in the west. If the political class just decides to get rid of voting without any perceived legitimacy from the masses, then the social unrest could end up being massive.

They won't go straight into full on dictatorship right away, naturally. They will start with smaller steps. Restrict voting for this or that group. Make it harder or impossible for these people or those people to participate in politics. But in the end it just won't be enough once enough people are angry.

I frankly see no way in which any of this can end without massive amounts of violence.

tbh it almost doesn't matter anyways if the US election can be rigged any election can

 

[Deleted member 5189]

They'll probably just arrest anyone who votes right until there's no one left to vote right.

 

[disillusioned]

tbh it almost doesn't matter anyways if the US election can be rigged any election can

Europe has mostly multi-party system so its not this simple. A party there can get only 25-30% of the vote and still have large influence.

 

[Troika]

I could see them doing away with the voting process, or in America's case, rigging it to the point where no one except boomers or liberals actually care to vote. The dems have already proven that you can steal an election with massive voter fraud if you gaslight hard enough.

Trump may still have a trick up his sleeve though. His SCOTUS case is on the 19th and could be a chance for his team to present election fraud evidence. While I doubt anything will come of it, at least we'll know that voting is dead and pointless if the Supreme Court dismisses his evidence.

 

[getra]

Doubt it. They might do tricks here and there but there’s little to no chance they could completely do away elections.

 

[Hozay]

No one is going to make elections illegal you stupid conspiracy tinfoil wearing doomer faggot.

 

[disillusioned]

I could see them doing away with the voting process, or in America's case, rigging it to the point where no one except boomers or liberals actually care to vote.

The hilarious thing about the dumbfuck leftists cheering on all of this is that they are completely oblivious to the fact that they are literally nothing more than useful idiots. The democratic elites give absolutely zero shits about them.

Tbh leftism isn't even really an ideology. I've never seen a leftist that isn't willing to do a complete 180 on every single one of their "ideal" if it suits them. They're just hateful shitty people who want power. Look back several decades and you will say that almost every single policy that most leftist championed at the time has been replaced with something completely different. Consider Brexit for example. Leftist in UK use to be anti-EU, but once wanting to leave became a right-wing position they suddenly changed their mind for no reason. Its a joke. Leftism isn't an ideology, its just a political strategy for gaining power.

 

[KrissKross]

It’s alright squidcel you just keep sticking your little cock in your fancy vacuum cleaner contraption and the world will sort itself out. Just go and coom and don’t worry about it all

 

[Troika]

I've never seen a leftist that isn't willing to do a complete 180 on every single one of their "ideal" if it suits them. They're just hateful shitty people who want power.

Very true. Those fucking hypocrites spent all of summer 2020 saying "fuck the police" or "acap" and that rioting is good but when Trump supporters stormed the capital now they suddenly believe that cops are good guys and that snitching is fine so long as the people you rat on are right wingers.

 

[disillusioned]

Very true. Those fucking hypocrites spent all of summer 2020 saying "fuck the police" or "acap" and that rioting is good but when Trump supporters stormed the capital now they suddenly believe that cops are good guys and that snitching is fine so long as the people you rat on are right wingers.

Pretty much all modern leftist positions weren't even so in the past. In the pre-21st century era socialists were some of the most anti-immigrant parties because back then they were still trying to bullshit the native working classes into voting for them. It was only after they realized that it wasn't happening that they started pandering to minorities instead while favoring open-borders.

 

[Troika]

Pretty much all modern leftist positions weren't even so in the past. In the pre-21st century era socialists were some of the most anti-immigrant parties because back then they were still trying to bullshit the native working classes into voting for them. It was only after they realized that it wasn't happening that they started pandering to minorities instead while favoring open-borders.

Socialists of old are nothing like they are now. Race warfare is easier to sell to people than class warfare is. Especially to resentful minorities.

 

[disillusioned]

Socialists of old are nothing like they are now. Race warfare is easier to sell to people than class warfare is. Especially to resentful minorities.

Tbh the meme of socialists not being racist has always been bullshit. Anti-semitism was rampant among socialist circles from the very beginning, and many socialists in the early 20th century regarded the slavs as being basically sub-human long before Hitler did, some even going as far as saying that they were inherently reactionary because of their primitiveness, and should be destroyed because socialism couldn't exist otherwise. Marx and Angels were both racist as fuck.

Leftist always whitewash their own history, which is why you don't hear about any of this.

Btw your avatar confuses me. You talk like you're white you have a black person avatar. Tbh I hate it when people use avatars of a race they don't belong to. Makes it more difficult to know who is talking. This wouldn't be a problem on any other forum, but race is so relevant to the blackpill that it actually can change the context of what is being said by the person.

 

[fras]

But they do, though. Look at how much the estalbishment was taken off-guard by Trump and Brexit. Sure, you can argue that ultimately they will find some way to bullshit their way past those hurdles, but the fact of the matter remains that those things WERE NOT SUPPOSE TO HAPPEN. Yet they did. And now they are pissed.

Simply put, if enough people get angry then voting might actually become a legit threat to the elites. The reason they have been able to hold on unto power for so long is because they control the mainstream parties, and because normies have so far been apathetic. If that changes, and non-mainstream parties start actually becoming popular, then the elites will see it as a threat to their power. They will never tolerate this. If democracy cannot keep them in power, then they will get rid of it.

Good point, I don't think extremist parties have as much power as we think though. Even when they get into power they will be cucked by the established laws, plus pretty much every far left anarchist and far right nazi party is compromised and made up of like 50% government moles.

 

[lutte]

Good point, I don't think extremist parties have as much power as we think though. Even when they get into power they will be cucked by the established laws, plus pretty much every far left anarchist and far right nazi party is compromised and made up of like 50% government moles.

Even Hitler was a "V-Mann"

 

[ToursOverBoyo2020]

Don't need to since people believe every lie the fake news media tells them. Every war has been supported by the American public.

 

[disillusioned]

Good point, I don't think extremist parties have as much power as we think though. Even when they get into power they will be cucked by the established laws, plus pretty much every far left anarchist and far right nazi party is compromised and made up of like 50% government moles.

Tbh the fact that the government is even allowed to infitrate political parties with the intent of destroying is itself pretty telling of just how laughably fake our democracies are. Still, I'm not sure if it will be enough to save them in the end.

 

[fras]

Tbh the fact that the government is even allowed to infitrate political parties with the intent of destroying is itself pretty telling of just how laughably fake our democracies are. Still, I'm not sure if it will be enough to save them in the end.

Yea it's a giant fraud. Either way I can only speak for my country, but we have a few meme parties here both far left and far right and they are ridiculously infiltrated and also have been shit talked so much over the last decades that they lost virtually any significance. I don't think they will be able to accomplish much.

 

[disillusioned]

Yea it's a giant fraud. Either way I can only speak for my country, but we have a few meme parties here both far left and far right and they are ridiculously infiltrated and also have been shit talked so much over the last decades that they lost virtually any significance. I don't think they will be able to accomplish much.

And the best part is that the media is able to sell normies the idea that this is actually ok. Because "gotta stop muh extremism". Normies are a huge fucking joke.

 

[fras]

And the best part is that the media is able to sell normies the idea that this is actually ok. Because "gotta stop muh extremism". Normies are a huge fucking joke.

Oh absolutely. I really hope that some insane anarchists/fascists get into power and crush everything and like the thought of the consequences, but I don't think it can happen in the current state. If extremists really became relevant again they'd just be bought out or killed unfortunately. Democracy will not lead to a favourible result ever.

 

[Troika]

Marx and Angels were both racist as fuck.
Leftist always whitewash their own history, which is why you don't hear about any of this.

I've noticed that as well while reading about old socialists. Strasserism was antisemitic socialism and Che Guevarra once described black people as being lazy and indolent. Marx liked to use the word nigger as an epithet. He also hated Jews, which is funny because he and almost everyone else who peddled socialism during the 19th and 20th centuries were jews. Like you said, lefties can't defend those guys and instead just choose to ignore that part of their history and refuse to talk about it if you try to bring it up to them.

As for my avi, it's just a photo I had on my phone that I thought looked funny. I'll probably change it at some point when I find a photo that fits me better.

 

[disillusioned]

I've noticed that as well while reading about old socialists. Strasserism was antisemitic socialism and Che Guevarra once described black people as being lazy and indolent. Marx liked to use the word nigger as an epithet. He also hated Jews, which is funny because he and almost everyone else who peddled socialism during the 19th and 20th centuries were jews. Like you said, lefties can't defend those guys and instead just choose to ignore that part of their history and refuse to talk about it if you try to bring it up to them.

As for my avi, it's just a photo I had on my phone that I thought looked funny. I'll probably change it at some point when I find a photo that fits me better.

They will also often borrow tactics from religious people who insist their ancient texts aren't barbaric somehow. When you point out to them the vile shit their religion says, they will say things like "oh, but you're just taking that out of context" or "that doesn't mean what you think it does" etc. Socialists do this also. When you show them racists quotes from Marx or Angels, they will play word games to rationalize the idea that they actually just meant something else completely different.

Fun fact. Angles at one point came close to advocating for genocide against native peoples/tribes, because he believed that their racial inferiority would make it impossible for them to integrate into socialism.

 

[Golgo13]

I'm calling this right now. The elites will only be able to keep radicals (both alt-left as well as alt-right) at bay via propaganda, social suppression/bullying, election fraud etc for so long, until it just won't be good enough. Once it gets to a point where 30-50% of the population is basically voting for extremist parties (be it commie or fascist, or perhaps even Islam?) they won't be able to hold on to power democratically.

Here is what I think will happen, in the case of Europe at least.

Basically, they will eventually give the EU the right to overturn elections. They won't call it that course. Instead, they will basically create a list of "prerequisites" that new national governments must fulfill in order for any new government to be "legal" or "approved". Merely trying to make individual parties or candidates illegal via some kind of "hate speech" laws won't be good enough, because not every country will be able to consistently enforce those. Or want to. They will also make it illegal to leave the union without permission from the EU parliament, thus making it impossible for individual countries to leave on their own. They will enforce these rules via some kind of as of yet created EU military force.

Some say they will just try to rig the elections. I don't think so. For starters, election rigging arguably isn't even that effective in a multi-party system (the norm in most european countries) since parties don't actually need 50+% of the vote in order to make an impact. Secondly, it would be hard just rigging all the votes everywhere.

The only real course of action for the elites, therefore, is just getting rid of voting.

Some conspiracy theorists will make the case that this is the purpose of the endless lockdowns, and that they will be used an excuse to "postpone" all future elections forever. Or that the social ID system they are no doubt working on will be used to prevent "undesirables" from voting. Problem with this idea is that it only works as long as dissidents are a small minority. If 30-50% of the country just fucking hates you and you just suppress all of them it makes it obvious what you are doing. It would just create even more backslash.

Simply, the elites must get either get rid of voting, or lose in the long term. Voter/social suppression and propaganda will work for a while, but not once you are hated by almost everybody.

We are in for some interesting times.

I give it 4-12 years until we get to a point where they start banning votes/elections.

Why would it matter to them lol democracy is a false sense of freedom and works well for them anyway also DNRD