how risky is orbital box ossemetery?

[jeb98]

I can't find anything about the botch rate online

 

[jeb98]

bump

 

[ross2000042]

If you hate your life that bad to the point where you don't care about going blind or skinned alive in Turkey then that should be fine for you.

 

[geenk worg]

You might get blind. Good luck

 

[jeb98]

You might get blind. Good luck

I'm ok with being blind but if it's botched how much would it fuck my face up?

 

[geenk worg]

I'm ok with being blind but if it's botched how much would it fuck my face up?

Very much so.

 

[jeb98]

Very much so.

and how rare is getting botched with obo?

 

[geenk worg]

and how rare is getting botched with obo?

Literature says about 25% of patients experience serious complications

 

[jeb98]

Literature says about 25% of patients experience serious complications

thank you

 

[key]

I'm ok with being blind

You're actually retarded

 

[justlurkingaround]

Me and you are NEVER getting obo. Forget about it.

 

[jeb98]

Me and you are NEVER getting obo. Forget about it.

I need obo to escape ltn hell

 

[ltn_looksminner]

Why the fuck would u do OBO brah

 

[jeb98]

Why the fuck would u do OBO brah

my ipd is actually insanely fucked

 

[ross2000042]

my ipd is actually insanely fucked

Maybe share a pic

 

[Chris88]

nigga i need somthing for pfl which rapes me idk

 

[ross2000042]

my ipd is actually insanely fucked

nigga i need somthing for pfl which rapes me idk

pussy niggers, if your eyes do not look like this, then u should be fine, I think.

At least be happy you don't look like these alien invisible humans.

 

[jeb98]

pussy niggers, if your eyes do not look like this, then u should be fine, I think.

At least be happy you don't look like these alien invisible humans.
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my ipd is that bad

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

nigga i need somthing for pfl which rapes me idk

Tripod osteotomy. Lateral canthoplasty can increase it a bit if i recall correctly, and a Z-plasty on the medial canthus can lengthen it which would increase it as well

 

[Chris88]

Tripod osteotomy. Lateral canthoplasty can increase it a bit if i recall correctly, and a Z-plasty on the medial canthus can lengthen it which would increase it as well

pfl isnt medial canthus jfl but tiripod would work

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

pfl isnt medial canthus jfl but tiripod would work

Yes it is, medial canthus is part of the PFL

Long medial canthus is why gandy is able to get away with his wide IPD, his PFL is so large that it's proportional. Without it his PFL would be 2-3mm smaller and his eye spacing would start to get fucked up

 

[Chris88]

Yes it is, medial canthus is part of the PFLView attachment 4021736

Long medial canthus is why gandy is able to get away with his wide IPD, his PFL is so large that it's proportional. Without it his PFL would be 2-3mm smaller and his eye spacing would start to get fucked up
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thanks

 

[AustrianMogger]

I can't find anything about the botch rate online

1-2% i belive

 

[AustrianMogger]

Yes it is, medial canthus is part of the PFLView attachment 4021736

Long medial canthus is why gandy is able to get away with his wide IPD, his PFL is so large that it's proportional. Without it his PFL would be 2-3mm smaller and his eye spacing would start to get fucked up
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is 63 mm ipd bad ?

 

[jeb98]

is 63 mm ipd bad ?

about average I think

 

[AustrianMogger]

I am thinking of doing obo but i feel like i can get away with tripod and supras/infras and canto for pfl
@RealSurgerymax what is more risky and expensive with you ?

about average I think

 

[sir.chadsalot]

broo why lose sight over obo
eyesight > obo

 

[kingofkings]

The leaked results I've seen from obo didn't even look impressive

It's solely for people with absolute truly dogshit ratios or very bad vertical orbital dystopia

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

is 63 mm ipd bad ?

depends how long your midface is and your bizygo width, in general, it's the lower end of average.

 

[paz]

I'm ok with being blind but if it's botched how much would it fuck my face up?

are u sped

 

[Whirr22222]

The leaked results I've seen from obo didn't even look impressive

It's solely for people with absolute truly dogshit ratios or very bad vertical orbital dystopia

Send in DM im curious

 

[AustrianMogger]

depends how long your midface is and your bizygo width, in general, it's the lower end of average.

i have like 44-43 esr

 

[geenk worg]

Without it his PFL would be 2-3mm smaller and his eye spacing would start to get fucked up

Utter nonsense.

 

[jeb98]

are u sped

yes

 

[paz]

yes

Fair enough

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

Utter nonsense.

ms paint says no

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Before me, the only way to perform OBO was to use a craniotomy, exposing and retracting the brain off the skull base to make the cuts in the orbital roof. The risk of death or brain injury is about 1 in 100. Too high for cosmetic cases without syndromic or post traumatic deformity.

In 2023 I introduced my modified way, which uses a patent-pending guide which does not touch or expose the brain at all. This puts the risk at about 1 in 10,000 since the surgery is comparable to other similar major, but sub cranial skull shaping procedures like Facial Feminization Surgery, which is done safely and routinely with an open coronal approach and osteotomies in the same exact region.

The risk of blindness is almost 0. I have never heard of it. The 360-degree infraorbital osteotomies give an escape for blood collection so retrobulbar hematoma are very rare in craniofacial surgery. We are not operating close to the optic nerves, we aren't going that far back into the orbit, so direct injury to the optic nerve is very unlikely or not possible.

The risk of minor medical complications & aesthetic complications are much higher, same with jaw surgery, implants, rhinoplasty etc.

The leaked results I've seen from obo didn't even look impressive

It's solely for people with absolute truly dogshit ratios or very bad vertical orbital dystopia

You've never seen any leaked "results" only leaked healing pictures 5 days post op, which judgements cannot be made from.

I am thinking of doing obo but i feel like i can get away with tripod and supras/infras and canto for pfl
@RealSurgerymax what is more risky and expensive with you ?

Tripod is equal risk and recovery to obo.

 

[Bryce]

Before me, the only way was to use a craniotomy exposing and retracting the brain off the skull base to make the cuts in the orbital roof. The risk of death or brain injury is about 1 in 100. Too high for cosmetic cases without syndromic or post traumatic deformity.

In 2023 I introduced my modified way, which uses a patent-pending guide which does not touch or expose the brain at all. This puts the risk at about 1 in 10,000 since the surgery is comparable to other similar major, but sub cranial skull shaping procedures like Facial Feminization Surgery, which is done safely and routinely with an open coronal approach and osteotomies in the same exact region.

The risk of blindness is almost 0. I have never heard of it. The 360-degree infraorbital osteotomies give an escape for blood collection so retrobulbar hematoma are very rare in craniofacial surgery. We are not operating close to the optic nerves, we aren't going that far back into the orbit, so direct injury to the optic nerve is very unlikely or not possible.

The risk of minor medical complications & aesthetic complications are much higher, same with jaw surgery, implants, rhinoplasty etc.


You've never seen any leaked "results" only leaked healing pictures 5 days post.


Tripod is equal risk and recovery to obo.

How much can a tripod enhance the PFL? Is it a major difference or just a slight difference?

I have yet to see a single tripod before and after, only makes me more curious

 

[RealSurgerymax]

How much can a tripod enhance the PFL? Is it a major difference or just a slight difference?

I have yet to see a single tripod before and after, only makes me more curious

Thats because no one living or practicing today has been involved in such a case except for me and the turkish surgeons I do the cases with.

You need to have a consult on zoom to see. You need to be a real & serious candidate with proof of funds. They aren't shown just because you are curious.

 

[Bryce]

Thats because no one living or practicing today has been involved in such a case except for me and the turkish surgeons I do the cases with.

You need to have a consult on zoom to see. You need to be a real & serious candidate with proof of funds. They aren't shown just because you are curious.

What qualifies as a serious candidate

 

[geenk worg]

ms paint says no
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You're autistic af nothing about it looks "fucked up"

 

[RealSurgerymax]

What qualifies as a serious candidate

- Will aesthetically benefit from the operation.
- Plans to come to Istanbul for surgery within the next 3-5 months.
- Has 40K funding available & ready.
- Pays the $350 consult fee without complaining.

 

[AustrianMogger]

Before me, the only way to perform OBO was to use a craniotomy, exposing and retracting the brain off the skull base to make the cuts in the orbital roof. The risk of death or brain injury is about 1 in 100. Too high for cosmetic cases without syndromic or post traumatic deformity.

In 2023 I introduced my modified way, which uses a patent-pending guide which does not touch or expose the brain at all. This puts the risk at about 1 in 10,000 since the surgery is comparable to other similar major, but sub cranial skull shaping procedures like Facial Feminization Surgery, which is done safely and routinely with an open coronal approach and osteotomies in the same exact region.

The risk of blindness is almost 0. I have never heard of it. The 360-degree infraorbital osteotomies give an escape for blood collection so retrobulbar hematoma are very rare in craniofacial surgery. We are not operating close to the optic nerves, we aren't going that far back into the orbit, so direct injury to the optic nerve is very unlikely or not possible.

The risk of minor medical complications & aesthetic complications are much higher, same with jaw surgery, implants, rhinoplasty etc.


You've never seen any leaked "results" only leaked healing pictures 5 days post op, which judgements cannot be made from.


Tripod is equal risk and recovery to obo.

Can you also do tripod with pagnoni or ercin only? You dont work with celal anymore so else is there ?

 

[AustrianMogger]

Also @RealSurgerymax why are you only working on Your projects directly with turkish ones and maybe pagnoni who is crazy expensive in the eu.
why dont you work with french or german surgeons. Doubt it would be that much more expensive and wouldnt leave that much of a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths as turkey

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Can you also do tripod with pagnoni or ercin only? You dont work with celal anymore so else is there ?

Pags has a great and established career doing specialty bimax and implants, why take risks on cosmetic OBOs? He wont do them.

Also @RealSurgerymax why are you only working on Your projects directly with turkish ones and maybe pagnoni who is crazy expensive in the eu.
why dont you work with french or german surgeons. Doubt it would be that much more expensive and wouldnt leave that much of a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths as turkey

I created a great solution as it is, you can come to turkey.

Because I will be the EU surgeon doing them in some years, no one else.

 

[AustrianMogger]

Pags has a great and established career doing specialty bimax and implants, why take risks on cosmetic OBOs? He wont do them.



I created a great solution as it is, you can come to turkey.

Because I will be the EU surgeon doing them in some years, no one else.

You aim to become a surgeon in the eu. Boy o boy. I pray for the day this happens.
Who is there in turkey to do obo? Ercin?

 

[hej1377]

Very risky,not worrh it

 

[jeb98]

Very risky,not worrh it

I think I'm willing to risk it

 

[hej1377]

I think I'm willing to risk it

Alright bro but be aware its like 60k, doesnt acctually do that much verh long recovery amd high likellynes of it being botched

 

[jeb98]

Alright bro but be aware its like 60k, doesnt acctually do that much verh long recovery amd high likellynes of it being botched

I need it