How to Actually Calculate FWHR (Important to find face shape)

[stress]

Determining the face shape is the first step in analyzing your face but people overlook it a lot, or they only look at part of the picture (aka only one of the important ratios) so I wanted to make this thread as a kind of checklist to make sure you went through all the important measurements to get your face shape.

(All facial proportions are usually put in terms of the smaller value as a percentage of the larger value. Ex. If Height = 10 and width = 5, width to height is 50%)

There are three main important categories of facial width and height ratios. These are:
-Cranofacial height to facial width
-Physiognomical facial height to width
-Morphological face height to width (facial index)

First category, cranial height to width ratio. This is simply the relationship between the full skull height (vertex to menton) and the facial width (bizygomatic) (Zy’ to Zy’). The normative value is 60% or 0.6.

Second category, physiognomical facial height to width ratios. Physiognomical facial height is measured from trichion (lowest point on non-receding hairline) to menton.
Bizygomatic width should be 70-75% (0.7-0.75) of this measurement.
Bitemporal width (Forehead width measured from Ft’ to Ft’) should be 80-85% of bizygomatic width.
Bigonial width should be 70-75% of bizygomatic width.

Finally the morphological face height to width aka the “facial index”
Morphological face height is measured from nasion to menton.
The facial index is the relationship between morphological face height and bizygomatic width.

Using the facial index you can classify a face as one of three categories, euryprosopic, mesoprosopic, and leptoprosopic.
Eury is wide, meso is in the middle, and lepto is long.
Here is the table of values for this measurement:

Hope this was helpful!

 

[almostAverage]

defo gonna use this mirin effort

 

[cooIguy]

im not doing ts

 

[dnrwarrior11]

Bitemporal width (Forehead width measured from Ft’ to Ft’) should be 80-85% of bizygomatic width.
Bigonial width should be 70-75% of bizygomatic width.

i thought bitemporal is supposed to be 85-95%. my bitemporal is 81% and looks way too feminine

bigonial should be 85-92ish % as well. no?

 

[Hide]

Determining the face shape is the first step in analyzing your face but people overlook it a lot, or they only look at part of the picture (aka only one of the important ratios) so I wanted to make this thread as a kind of checklist to make sure you went through all the important measurements to get your face shape.

(All facial proportions are usually put in terms of the smaller value as a percentage of the larger value. Ex. If Height = 10 and width = 5, width to height is 50%)

There are three main important categories of facial width and height ratios. These are:
-Cranofacial height to facial width
-Physiognomical facial height to width
-Morphological face height to width (facial index)

First category, cranial height to width ratio. This is simply the relationship between the full skull height (vertex to menton) and the facial width (bizygomatic) (Zy’ to Zy’). The normative value is 60% or 0.6.

Second category, physiognomical facial height to width ratios. Physiognomical facial height is measured from trichion (lowest point on non-receding hairline) to menton.
Bizygomatic width should be 70-75% (0.7-0.75) of this measurement.
Bitemporal width (Forehead width measured from Ft’ to Ft’) should be 80-85% of bizygomatic width.
Bigonial width should be 70-75% of bizygomatic width.

Finally the morphological face height to width aka the “facial index”
Morphological face height is measured from nasion to menton.
The facial index is the relationship between morphological face height and bizygomatic width.

Using the facial index you can classify a face as one of three categories, euryprosopic, mesoprosopic, and leptoprosopic.
Eury is wide, meso is in the middle, and lepto is long.
Here is the table of values for this measurement:
View attachment 4242146
Hope this was helpful!

My fwhr is 2 and tfwhr is 1.35 thanks for the thread dnr but will rep

 

[stress]

i thought bitemporal is supposed to be 85-95%. my bitemporal is 81% and looks way too feminine

bigonial should be 85-92ish % as well. no?

Bigonial range is quite wide but 70-75% is the “norm.” Not sure what you mean by feminine but 81% usually looks fine. Having a proportionately wide face is associated with masculinity.

 

[dnrwarrior11]

Bigonial range is quite wide but 70-75% is the “norm.”

well we're talking about the ideal not the norm or average.

Not sure what you mean by feminine but 81% usually looks fine.

it doesnt look very good man

Having a proportionately wide face is associated with masculinity.

wdym? my tfwhr is 1.32 and fwhr is 1.96.

 

[decadouche57]

Ok

 

[stress]

well we're talking about the ideal not the norm or average.

it doesnt look very good man

wdym? my tfwhr is 1.32 and fwhr is 1.96.

I mean the range of what is acceptable (or “ideal”) is pretty wide. A low bigonial width can look good if you have good jawline visibility and a very wide jaw can also look good on some people.

Are you measuring your forehead from the frontotemporale points? Many people make the mistake of measuring their forehead from the points where skin is first exposed without hair. This is usually overlapping the temporalis muscle and is wider than Ft’-Ft’ If you’re measuring 81% from the temporalis muscle that would explain why your forehead looks overly narrow.

Wide cheekbones are a masculine trait. So is wide mandible, but these things need to be wide in proportion to your own anatomy.
Side question, im guessing tfwhr means total-fwhr? What is the difference between tfwhr and fwhr? Is that a different term for facial index?

 

[VrillFatNoob24]

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[idnap]

Determining the face shape is the first step in analyzing your face but people overlook it a lot, or they only look at part of the picture (aka only one of the important ratios) so I wanted to make this thread as a kind of checklist to make sure you went through all the important measurements to get your face shape.

(All facial proportions are usually put in terms of the smaller value as a percentage of the larger value. Ex. If Height = 10 and width = 5, width to height is 50%)

There are three main important categories of facial width and height ratios. These are:
-Cranofacial height to facial width
-Physiognomical facial height to width
-Morphological face height to width (facial index)

First category, cranial height to width ratio. This is simply the relationship between the full skull height (vertex to menton) and the facial width (bizygomatic) (Zy’ to Zy’). The normative value is 60% or 0.6.

Second category, physiognomical facial height to width ratios. Physiognomical facial height is measured from trichion (lowest point on non-receding hairline) to menton.
Bizygomatic width should be 70-75% (0.7-0.75) of this measurement.
Bitemporal width (Forehead width measured from Ft’ to Ft’) should be 80-85% of bizygomatic width.
Bigonial width should be 70-75% of bizygomatic width.

Finally the morphological face height to width aka the “facial index”
Morphological face height is measured from nasion to menton.
The facial index is the relationship between morphological face height and bizygomatic width.

Using the facial index you can classify a face as one of three categories, euryprosopic, mesoprosopic, and leptoprosopic.
Eury is wide, meso is in the middle, and lepto is long.
Here is the table of values for this measurement:
View attachment 4242146
Hope this was helpful!

And the only way to balance out the cranium is to enhance your zygomatic width and cheekbone presence without getting botched n looking uncanny ig

 

[dnrwarrior11]

I mean the range of what is acceptable (or “ideal”) is pretty wide. A low bigonial width can look good if you have good jawline visibility and a very wide jaw can also look good on some people.

my jaw isnt necessarily wide or narrow tbh.

Are you measuring your forehead from the frontotemporale points? Many people make the mistake of measuring their forehead from the points where skin is first exposed without hair. This is usually overlapping the temporalis muscle and is wider than Ft’-Ft’ If you’re measuring 81% from the temporalis muscle that would explain why your forehead looks overly narrow.

i am measuring from one side of the hairline to the other.

like this.

and i divide it by the width of the cheekbones

im guessing tfwhr means total-fwhr?

yep

What is the difference between tfwhr and fwhr?

the total fwhr is the width of the cheekbones divided by the height from the chin to the highest point of the hairline, basically measuring if your skull is too short or too narrow i suppose. and im sure u know what the fwhr is lol

 

[stress]

my jaw isnt necessarily wide or narrow tbh.

i am measuring from one side of the hairline to the other.
View attachment 4245386
like this.

and i divide it by the width of the cheekbones


yep

the total fwhr is the width of the cheekbones divided by the height from the chin to the highest point of the hairline, basically measuring if your skull is too short or too narrow i suppose. and im sure u know what the fwhr is lol

Yeah that’s not usually how the forehead is measured because there is a lot of variation with hair growth. Frontotemporale (Ft’) is the most medial point on the temporal crest of the frontal bone.

Oh so thats the same as physiognomical face height. Kinda confusing. The way people on here measure normal fwhr is actually quite different than in clinical practice, that’s why I made this thread.

 

[dnrwarrior11]

Yeah that’s not usually how the forehead is measured because there is a lot of variation with hair growth. Frontotemporale (Ft’) is the most medial point on the temporal crest of the frontal bone.

ah ok. either way i know i need implants there or some augmentation, my forehead is short as well due to the top of my head being short. with just fixing those ratios my harmony is over 85 from the front because they kinda take off quite a bit.

Oh so thats the same as physiognomical face height. Kinda confusing. The way people on here measure normal fwhr is actually quite different than in clinical practice, that’s why I made this thread.

yea honestly i feel the way that was measured in the thread makes more sense. in the way WE measure, different parts of the face can kind of mess with the measurements, but i guess theres pros/cons to including the other factors to measurements rather than just straight up bone.

 

[miloeatscookies]

how does one overcomplicate something so simple

 

[Sadist]

fwhr is just bizygo/distance from top of upper vermillion border to the glabella. good thread with valid cephalometric measurements, but none of them are fwhr or related to facial harmony.

 

[stress]

fwhr is just bizygo/distance from top of upper vermillion border to the glabella. good thread with valid cephalometric measurements, but none of them are fwhr or related to facial harmony.

Ok so #1 yes it is related to fwhr. There are multiple different measurements that go into determining someones face shape not just the single measurement that most people know on here as I elaborated in the thread.
#2 obviously it is related to facial harmony… I don’t need to explain this.

 

[Sadist]

Ok so #1 yes it is related to fwhr. There are multiple different measurements that go into determining someones face shape not just the single measurement that most people know on here as I elaborated in the thread.
#2 obviously it is related to facial harmony… I don’t need to explain this.

these measurements are used for different, pheno-related studies, not facial attractiveness. none of them are factored in ANY facial attractiveness rating system, like ever.

 

[Whirr22222]

my jaw isnt necessarily wide or narrow tbh.

i am measuring from one side of the hairline to the other.
View attachment 4245386
like this.

and i divide it by the width of the cheekbones


yep

the total fwhr is the width of the cheekbones divided by the height from the chin to the highest point of the hairline, basically measuring if your skull is too short or too narrow i suppose. and im sure u know what the fwhr is lol

This guy has the Turning Point USA phenotype

 

[stress]

these measurements are used for different, pheno-related studies, not facial attractiveness. none of them are factored in ANY facial attractiveness rating system, like ever.

Pheno thing makes sense. However it is most definitely a consideration when analyzing the attractiveness of a face. It’s a good indicator of your developmental pattern and as you said it should align with your phenotype. Determining the face shape and relationship of the jaws are often considered the first steps before taking into consideration the feature specific relationships that are often the focal point of most harmony guides on this site. Many people disregard that which is what inspired me to create this thread.

How would you more accurately have titled this thread?

 

[Sadist]

Pheno thing makes sense. However it is most definitely a consideration when analyzing the attractiveness of a face. It’s a good indicator of your developmental pattern and as you said it should align with your phenotype. Determining the face shape and relationship of the jaws are often considered the first steps before taking into consideration the feature specific relationships that are often the focal point of most harmony guides on this site. Many people disregard that which is what inspired me to create this thread.

How would you more accurately have titled this thread?

“perceptual cephalometric analyses for different overall skull proportion metrics” or something