How to actually promote bone growth (HIGH IQ THREAD)

[yeahyux21]

All the threads on this forum about promoting bone growth are water. Retards will say something about bonesmashing, while bonesmashing will give you temporarily "bone growth" - swelling lmaoo, it'll change nothing in the long run. Same with running cycles, especially if you are under the age of 16.

Introduction to carbs and how it will promote bone growth.

If you already don't know, when eating carbs in big portions, it will affect our hormones. One main hormone it will affect is insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). This protein helps cells grow - it also helps bones growth too. So already you can tell very easily that igf-1 plays a big role in bone growth and remodeling.

How IGF-1 promotes growth and density.
IGF-1 stimulates oseoblast activity (cells that build bone), leading to you guess, increased bone mass and density in the face.
now the best way to optimise this is eating high carbs during peak puberty, Higher IGF-1 levels quite literally contribute to jaw growth, cheekbone prominence, and overall facial bone development.

How carbs will save your Mandibular and Maxillary growth.
GH stimulates local bone cells to produce IGF-1, which then acts directly on jawbone cells to promote growth.
IGF-1 directly stimulates bone and and cartilage growth in the mandible and maxilla by activating osteoblasts.
Things IGF-1 directly does to your facial bones.
Enhances chondrocyte activity in the mandibular condyle
strengthens bone density and reduces resorption
promotes maxillary suture expansion.
(STUDIES)
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/conf...02f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml&utm_source

How IGF1 from blood vessels promotes growth of the jaw

The effect of insulin growth factor-1 on calvarial sutures

CONCLUSION
These studies show the significant role of IGF-1 in promoting mandibular and maxillary growth through mechanisms involving chondrocyte proliferation, bone formation, and vascular contributions.

also i apologise for the shitty thread format, and if i've repeated myself. Also there is more information and studies and probably a lot more that i didn't cover.
GOODLUCK : )

 

[MyDreamIsToBe183CM]

All the threads on this forum about promoting bone growth are water. Retards will say something about bonesmashing, while bonesmashing will give you temporarily "bone growth" - swelling lmaoo, it'll change nothing in the long run. Same with running cycles, especially if you are under the age of 16.

Introduction to carbs and how it will promote bone growth.

If you already don't know, when eating carbs in big portions, it will affect our hormones. One main hormone it will affect is insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). This protein helps cells grow - it also helps bones growth too. So already you can tell very easily that igf-1 plays a big role in bone growth and remodeling.

How IGF-1 promotes growth and density.
IGF-1 stimulates oseoblast activity (cells that build bone), leading to you guess, increased bone mass and density in the face.
now the best way to optimise this is eating high carbs during peak puberty, Higher IGF-1 levels quite literally contribute to jaw growth, cheekbone prominence, and overall facial bone development.

How carbs will save your Mandibular and Maxillary growth.
GH stimulates local bone cells to produce IGF-1, which then acts directly on jawbone cells to promote growth.
IGF-1 directly stimulates bone and and cartilage growth in the mandible and maxilla by activating osteoblasts.
Things IGF-1 directly does to your facial bones.
Enhances chondrocyte activity in the mandibular condyle
strengthens bone density and reduces resorption
promotes maxillary suture expansion.
(STUDIES)
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/configurable/content/journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml?t:ac=journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml&utm_source

How IGF1 from blood vessels promotes growth of the jaw

The effect of insulin growth factor-1 on calvarial sutures

CONCLUSION
These studies show the significant role of IGF-1 in promoting mandibular and maxillary growth through mechanisms involving chondrocyte proliferation, bone formation, and vascular contributions.

also i apologise for the shitty thread format, and if i've repeated myself. Also there is more information and studies and probably a lot more that i didn't cover.
GOODLUCK : )

or just inject tbh

 

[pentamogged9000]

Jfl just focus on one factor

 

[stufftodo]

the spiking over time will get less intense because of insulin resistance, which will also lower your metabolism.

i wouldn't do this for over a year, but good guide

 

[yeahyux21]

or just inject tbh

and make you look like an ogre and make you infertile? No thanks.

 

[LLsurgeryEnthusiast]

in conclusion DNR

 

[kwjqxlw99]

and make you look like an ogre and make you infertile? No thanks.

Cope

 

[pabloo]

All the threads on this forum about promoting bone growth are water. Retards will say something about bonesmashing, while bonesmashing will give you temporarily "bone growth" - swelling lmaoo, it'll change nothing in the long run. Same with running cycles, especially if you are under the age of 16.

Introduction to carbs and how it will promote bone growth.

If you already don't know, when eating carbs in big portions, it will affect our hormones. One main hormone it will affect is insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). This protein helps cells grow - it also helps bones growth too. So already you can tell very easily that igf-1 plays a big role in bone growth and remodeling.

How IGF-1 promotes growth and density.
IGF-1 stimulates oseoblast activity (cells that build bone), leading to you guess, increased bone mass and density in the face.
now the best way to optimise this is eating high carbs during peak puberty, Higher IGF-1 levels quite literally contribute to jaw growth, cheekbone prominence, and overall facial bone development.

How carbs will save your Mandibular and Maxillary growth.
GH stimulates local bone cells to produce IGF-1, which then acts directly on jawbone cells to promote growth.
IGF-1 directly stimulates bone and and cartilage growth in the mandible and maxilla by activating osteoblasts.
Things IGF-1 directly does to your facial bones.
Enhances chondrocyte activity in the mandibular condyle
strengthens bone density and reduces resorption
promotes maxillary suture expansion.
(STUDIES)
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/configurable/content/journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml?t:ac=journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml&utm_source

How IGF1 from blood vessels promotes growth of the jaw

The effect of insulin growth factor-1 on calvarial sutures

CONCLUSION
These studies show the significant role of IGF-1 in promoting mandibular and maxillary growth through mechanisms involving chondrocyte proliferation, bone formation, and vascular contributions.

also i apologise for the shitty thread format, and if i've repeated myself. Also there is more information and studies and probably a lot more that i didn't cover.
GOODLUCK : )

does rice count?

 

[AforB]

go back in time and do hgh straight out of the womb

 

[Snicket]

All the threads on this forum about promoting bone growth are water. Retards will say something about bonesmashing, while bonesmashing will give you temporarily "bone growth" - swelling lmaoo, it'll change nothing in the long run. Same with running cycles, especially if you are under the age of 16.

Introduction to carbs and how it will promote bone growth.

If you already don't know, when eating carbs in big portions, it will affect our hormones. One main hormone it will affect is insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). This protein helps cells grow - it also helps bones growth too. So already you can tell very easily that igf-1 plays a big role in bone growth and remodeling.

How IGF-1 promotes growth and density.
IGF-1 stimulates oseoblast activity (cells that build bone), leading to you guess, increased bone mass and density in the face.
now the best way to optimise this is eating high carbs during peak puberty, Higher IGF-1 levels quite literally contribute to jaw growth, cheekbone prominence, and overall facial bone development.

How carbs will save your Mandibular and Maxillary growth.
GH stimulates local bone cells to produce IGF-1, which then acts directly on jawbone cells to promote growth.
IGF-1 directly stimulates bone and and cartilage growth in the mandible and maxilla by activating osteoblasts.
Things IGF-1 directly does to your facial bones.
Enhances chondrocyte activity in the mandibular condyle
strengthens bone density and reduces resorption
promotes maxillary suture expansion.
(STUDIES)
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/configurable/content/journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml?t:ac=journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml&utm_source

How IGF1 from blood vessels promotes growth of the jaw

The effect of insulin growth factor-1 on calvarial sutures

CONCLUSION
These studies show the significant role of IGF-1 in promoting mandibular and maxillary growth through mechanisms involving chondrocyte proliferation, bone formation, and vascular contributions.

also i apologise for the shitty thread format, and if i've repeated myself. Also there is more information and studies and probably a lot more that i didn't cover.
GOODLUCK : )

These poor kids.
Over 90% of maxillary growth is complete before puberty even takes place.
We unironically need more 6-12 year olds here so we can actually help them instead of peddling these fantasy treatments.

 

[yeahyux21]

the spiking over time will get less intense because of insulin resistance, which will also lower your metabolism.

i wouldn't do this for over a year, but good guide

thanks, also it would take realistically a couple of months to see changes so your most than likely fine

 

[yeahyux21]

These poor kids.
Over 90% of maxillary growth is complete before puberty even takes place.
We unironically need more 6-12 year olds here so we can actually help them instead of peddling these fantasy treatments.

still can infuence maxillary structure and density, and bone remodeling continues throughout life

 

[stufftodo]

thanks, also it would take realistically a couple of months to see changes so your most than likely fine

yah, totally agree

just putting it out there so some kid doesn't develop a ed and obesemaxx

 

[yeahyux21]

does rice count?

yes brown rice is ideal

 

[Snicket]

still can infuence maxillary structure and density, and bone remodeling continues throughout life

There's no evidence to support this.
Everything I've seen says that after 12, it's pretty much ineffective.
The sutures start to seal before puberty.
And no the maxilla isn't malleable up until the point of closure. Once the sutures start closing moving bone is very difficult.

 

[stufftodo]

There's no evidence to support this.
Everything I've seen says that after 12, it's pretty much ineffective.
The sutures start to seal before puberty.
And no the maxilla isn't malleable up until the point of closure. Once the sutures start closing moving bone is very difficult.

get a scan and ask your ortho just in case

could have insane cranial malleability genetics and be wasting it

 

[Snicket]

get a scan and ask your ortho just in case

could have insane cranial malleability genetics and be wasting it

I think there might be an intermediate period around 13-14 where you could do something - probably limited but better than nothing.
If you're 16+ then no point.

 

[yeahyux21]

There's no evidence to support this.
Everything I've seen says that after 12, it's pretty much ineffective.
The sutures start to seal before puberty.
And no the maxilla isn't malleable up until the point of closure. Once the sutures start closing moving bone is very difficult.

https://www.ecmjournal.org/papers/vol042/vol042a06.php?utm_source=
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22976122/
these studies show the importance of igf-1 in bone remodelling and maintenance beyond the developmental years

 

[Snicket]

https://www.ecmjournal.org/papers/vol042/vol042a06.php?utm_source=
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22976122/
these studies show the importance of igf-1 in bone remodelling and maintenance beyond the developmental years

Show me exactly where it says we can achieve maxillary and mandibular advancement.
Thank you.

 

[stufftodo]

I think there might be an intermediate period around 13-14 where you could do something - probably limited but better than nothing.
If you're 16+ then no point.

you can still manipulate it somewhat since with new aligner stuff. so people can position the bone and influence it slightly more than before. heard most orthos recommend before 15-16 for treatment though

there are probably tons of people who haven't started fusion into their late teens though (was one of them). but i'm not sure about the stats on it.

 

[Snicket]

there are probably tons of people who haven't started fusion into their late teens though (was one of them). but i'm not sure about the stats on it.

This is another big misconception. The maxilla is not malleable up until the point of fusion.
Once the sutures start to close (at around 11-12), it's much, much harder to move the bone.
I know you'll say try, anyway and in midteens, you probably have nothing to lose.
But late teens it's truly a waste of time. Better off saving for jaw surgery at that point.

 

[stufftodo]

This is another big misconception. The maxilla is not malleable up until the point of fusion.
Once the sutures start to close (at around 11-12), it's much, much harder to move the bone.
I know you'll say try, anyway and in midteens, you probably have nothing to lose.
But late teens it's truly a waste of time. Better off saving for jaw surgery at that point.

malleability gets greatly impacted once fusion starts for yadda yadda reasons. i understand.

my point is that fusion for me (ones i can 100% confirm are frontomaxillary/pstegosomething sutures) didn't happen until 19. which i believe is statistically really rare, but it does happen. so i recommend people at least getting an xray and an ortho consultation, which are usually free nowadays.

 

[Donkeyballs]

so just insulinmaxx theory? Like what loox did with 2kg of white sugar per day jfl. At least inject hgh because prolonged increased levels of insulin from high glycemic load diet has inhibitory effect on growth hormone production by reducing GHRH and even further, igf1 inhibits growth hormone through negative feedback.
Exogenous hgh bypasses the regulatory effects of insulin since it is not produced by the body, it directly enters the bloodstream.

Gh is still important and you are only focusing on insulin/igf1 which by nature will repress production of gh. loox apart from eating 2kg sugar also injected hgh.
And take breaks, high insulin will eventually make your cells, irs-1 and etc less sensible to it's effects (aka insulin resistance), this depends on person from person too

 

[Snicket]

malleability gets greatly impacted once fusion starts for yadda yadda reasons. i understand.

Yes, massively. This is the key thing. Fusion means very little. The coronal sutures (around your skull) don't fuse until 40.
It's the point at which the bone starts maturing that is key.

my point is that fusion for me (ones i can 100% confirm are frontomaxillary/pstegosomething sutures) didn't happen until 19. which i believe is statistically really rare, but it does happen. so i recommend people at least getting an xray and an ortho consultation, which are usually free nowadays.

Okay. How much advancement did you achieve in mm?

 

[stufftodo]

Yes, massively. This is the key thing. Fusion means very little. The coronal sutures (around your skull) don't fuse until 40.

Okay. How much advancement did you achieve in mm?

6.5mm sagitally, but i didn't wear my bite splint consistently so i probably missed out on some gains.

 

[Snicket]

6.5mm sagitally, but i didn't wear my bite splint consistently so i probably missed out on some gains.

What was mobilised, exactly?
I assume you're not talking about your upper jaw here.

 

[pabloo]

yes brown rice is ideal

What about white rice

 

[yeahyux21]

What about white rice

brown rice is ideal.

 

[yeahyux21]

so just insulinmaxx theory? Like what loox did with 2kg of white sugar per day jfl. At least inject hgh because prolonged increased levels of insulin from high glycemic load diet has inhibitory effect on growth hormone production by reducing GHRH and even further, igf1 inhibits growth hormone through negative feedback.
Exogenous hgh bypasses the regulatory effects of insulin since it is not produced by the body, it directly enters the bloodstream.
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Gh is still important and you are only focusing on insulin/igf1 which by nature will repress production of gh. loox apart from eating 2kg sugar also injected hgh.
And take breaks, high insulin will eventually make your cells, irs-1 and etc less sensible to it's effects (aka insulin resistance), this depends on person from person too

loox did not eat 2kg of white sugar per day

 

[iam good boy]

All the threads on this forum about promoting bone growth are water. Retards will say something about bonesmashing, while bonesmashing will give you temporarily "bone growth" - swelling lmaoo, it'll change nothing in the long run. Same with running cycles, especially if you are under the age of 16.

Introduction to carbs and how it will promote bone growth.

If you already don't know, when eating carbs in big portions, it will affect our hormones. One main hormone it will affect is insulin-like growth factor 1 (IGF-1). This protein helps cells grow - it also helps bones growth too. So already you can tell very easily that igf-1 plays a big role in bone growth and remodeling.

How IGF-1 promotes growth and density.
IGF-1 stimulates oseoblast activity (cells that build bone), leading to you guess, increased bone mass and density in the face.
now the best way to optimise this is eating high carbs during peak puberty, Higher IGF-1 levels quite literally contribute to jaw growth, cheekbone prominence, and overall facial bone development.

How carbs will save your Mandibular and Maxillary growth.
GH stimulates local bone cells to produce IGF-1, which then acts directly on jawbone cells to promote growth.
IGF-1 directly stimulates bone and and cartilage growth in the mandible and maxilla by activating osteoblasts.
Things IGF-1 directly does to your facial bones.
Enhances chondrocyte activity in the mandibular condyle
strengthens bone density and reduces resorption
promotes maxillary suture expansion.
(STUDIES)
https://joe.bioscientifica.com/configurable/content/journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml?t:ac=journals$002fjoe$002f137$002f1$002fjoe_137_1_004.xml&utm_source

How IGF1 from blood vessels promotes growth of the jaw

The effect of insulin growth factor-1 on calvarial sutures

CONCLUSION
These studies show the significant role of IGF-1 in promoting mandibular and maxillary growth through mechanisms involving chondrocyte proliferation, bone formation, and vascular contributions.

also i apologise for the shitty thread format, and if i've repeated myself. Also there is more information and studies and probably a lot more that i didn't cover.
GOODLUCK : )

Cunt

 

[aldamogger]

These poor kids.
Over 90% of maxillary growth is complete before puberty even takes place.
We unironically need more 6-12 year olds here so we can actually help them instead of peddling these fantasy treatments.

There are plenty of those 12 year olds form TikTok. And no maxillary growth is not done before puberty. Some people’s sutures are still open at 50, even 80. I saw a study on it

 

[20/04/2008]

and make you look like an ogre and make you infertile? No thanks.

 

[Snicket]

maxillary growth is not done before puberty.

You're right, I was wrong. Most is done before the age of 6:

Some people’s sutures are still open at 50, even 80. I saw a study on it

Irrelevant. The maxilla is not malleable up until the point of suture closure.
Once the sutures start to close, around the age of 11-12, it becomes much harder to mobilize the maxilla unfortunately.
There is not a single study out there that replicates major changes seen in 6-12 year olds.

 

[aldamogger]

You're right, I was wrong. Most is done before the age of 6:
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Irrelevant. The maxilla is not malleable up until the point of suture closure.
Once the sutures start to close, around the age of 11-12, it becomes much harder to mobilize the maxilla unfortunately.
There is not a single study out there that replicates major changes seen in 6-12 year olds.

yes because we develop really quick in our toddler years. it doesn't mean we have tiny to literal no growth left when we're teenagers. think about how much your maxilla changes from 5-6 years old, 4-5 years, 3-4? Percentage wise its going to be a lot. So just becuase it says its 90 percent done, it doesn't mean shit. its 90 percent done compared to you has a baby.

 

[soggra]

yes because we develop really quick in our toddler years. it doesn't mean we have tiny to literal no growth left when we're teenagers. think about how much your maxilla changes from 5-6 years old, 4-5 years, 3-4? Percentage wise its going to be a lot. So just becuase it says its 90 percent done, it doesn't mean shit. its 90 percent done compared to you has a baby.

Yeah exactly. 10% is huge gains. Could be the difference between a sub5 and a HTN or something like that

 

[soggra]

yes because we develop really quick in our toddler years. it doesn't mean we have tiny to literal no growth left when we're teenagers. think about how much your maxilla changes from 5-6 years old, 4-5 years, 3-4? Percentage wise it’s going to be a lot. So just becuase it says its 90 percent done, it doesn't mean shit. its 90 percent done compared to you has a baby.

So what’s the plan for maxilla growth? Facepulling?

 

[aldamogger]

So what’s the plan for maxilla growth? Facepulling?

yes. + myofunctional habits and never ever ever mouth breathing. also nose breathing during intense physical activity becuase this will stimulate the maxillary sutures to come forward to allow more space in the airway.

 

[bosi__\]

True lmao I fell for the keto meme when I was 14 and probably missed out on a year of growth but I started growing as soon as I staring downing carbs

 

[Snicket]

its 90 percent done compared to you has a baby.

The percentages are a proportion of the adult size.

The maxilla is over 90% of its adult size by 12.

The facial skeleton, especially the maxilla, is already transitioning to maturity before puberty:

You have less than 10% of maxillary growth left by its onset and the sutures are well on their way to closing.

All the medical literature and orthodontists will tell you that maxillary protection devices are most effective in the 6-12 age group.

The window for any real change, of even just the lower maxilla, is before 12.

Is any change impossible after this age?
No but far more difficult and for maybe a measly millimeter or two at absolute most.

 

[Snicket]

also nose breathing during intense physical activity…..will stimulate the maxillary sutures to come forward to allow more space in the airway.

Have you got a source for this?
I will source all my claims if you ask for them.

 

[aldamogger]

Have you got a source for this?
I will source all my claims if you ask for them.

I don’t have an exact source but it makes sense logically and I heard about it from a lot of people. Also you can’t test forward growth before and after nose breathing. Actually check out Andrew Huber man and his talk about nose breathing on children. Results were visible within weeks.

 

[aldamogger]

The percentages are a proportion of the adult size.

The maxilla is over 90% of its adult size by 12.

The facial skeleton, especially the maxilla, is already transitioning to maturity before puberty:

You have less than 10% of maxillary growth left by its onset and the sutures are well on their way to closing.

All the medical literature and orthodontists will tell you that maxillary protection devices are most effective in the 6-12 age group.

The window for any real change, of even just the lower maxilla, is before 12.

Is any change impossible after this age?
No but far more difficult and for maybe a measly millimeter or two at absolute most.

Yeah exactly. 10% is huge gains. Could be the difference between a sub5 and a HTN or something like that

 

[Snicket]

Also you can’t test forward growth before and after nose breathing. Actually check out Andrew Huber man and his talk about nose breathing on children. Results were visible within weeks.

Huberman is a neuroscientist turned celebrity podcaster.
He talks out of his ass a lot on subjects he knows next to nothing about and it really shows.

 

[Snicket]

Yeah exactly. 10% is huge gains. Could be the difference between a sub5 and a HTN or something like that

No it couldn't. I was only talking about the upper jaw.

The upper maxilla develops far earlier than the upper jaw.

The sutures start firmly closing by 12 years old, so you can't direct that growth easily anyway.

 

[aldamogger]

The upper maxilla develops far earlier than the upper jaw.

U mean lower?

 

[Snicket]

U mean lower?

No, the sutures of the nasomaxillary complex start closing as early as 3 or 4. The more vital the structure is, the earlier it consolidates.

The lower maxilla refers to the upper jaw really.

 

[cowmuncher26]

I think there might be an intermediate period around 13-14 where you could do something - probably limited but better than nothing.
If you're 16+ then no point.

im 13, what could i do to remodel my bones if i actually can