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GUIDE ON HOW TO FIND YOUR GREY-MARKET PEPTIDE VENDOR
THIS THREAD CONTAINS:
Introduction
This guide is written with the explicit aim of helping beginners understand how to actually find a legitimate grey-market research chemical vendor without getting scammed, paying markup 10× higher than necessary, or ending up with peptides that look like they were mixed in someone’s bathtub.
This is not a medical guide, nor will I spoon-feed you vendor names.
Instead, this is meant to be a vademecum — a practical handbook — on navigating the peptide underworld efficiently.
I’m not here to lecture you about peptide chemistry or pharmacokinetics.
I’m here to explain the actual process of finding a trustworthy vendor, something I desperately wish someone explained to me when I first got into peptides and had the sourcing knowledge of a potato.
---
My Story (How I Ended Up in Peptide Hell)
When I was new to peptides, the first “source” I ever found was from TikTok.
Yes, TikTok.
Yes, I know.
I kept scrolling comments until I saw the same vendor mentioned multiple times and thought:
> “Wow, this must be legit!”
I ordered:
- Ipamorelin 5mg — $25
- BPC-157 5mg — $35
- BAC Water 15ml — $16
The package arrived, I got excited, ran my little experiment…
and absolutely nothing happened because the supply was tiny, overpriced, and unsustainable.
My conclusion at the time?
> “Peptides are bullshit.”
But the truth is: if you try to buy “EU-sourced peptides,” or anything marketed as “domestic,” you’re usually just paying extra for products that STILL come from China.
Realistically, 80–90% of grey-market peptide production is Chinese, excluding pharmacy.
Once you accept that, you realize the obvious:
Why pay European reseller prices when you can go directly to the source?
This is where the real journey started.
---
The Grey-Market Awakening
My first “serious” Chinese source was the infamous Shanghai vendor everyone knew about.
It was posted on TikTok, forums, Discord… basically the McDonald’s of peptide vendors.
Naturally, it eventually got shut down because of that spotlight. ( This is also why people don't give out their sources for free. )
After that, I felt lost again until I stumbled across a term that completely changed how I searched:
“Stairway to Grey.”
And that’s what opened the door to real suppliers, real prices, and real long-term sustainability.
Now you’re going to learn the same system.
---
METHOD 1 — The Forum Method (BEST METHOD)
If you only use ONE technique from this guide, use this one.
Reputable vendors always appear on reputable forums.
Scam vendors never do.
Some examples:
- Meso-RX
- GLP Forum
- Reddit peptide/SARM subreddits
Why forums matter:
1. Vendors have accounts there.
If a vendor that you saw on TikTok doesn’t show up on any credible forum, it’s almost always a scam, OR in the best case scenario you're falling victim to a guy that is reselling. But if you are paying them with crypto, they might as well just scam you. Since you can't do anything about it.
2. Real reviews from real customers.
You’ll find:
- Logs ( successful orders )
- Shipping times
- Scam reports
- Failed purity tests
- Group buys ( Is what it sounds like, you make orders as a group instead of buying as an individual. You have more power, guarantee and buyer safety if anything doesn't go as planned. )
If a vendor has a large, consistent customer base, they have a reputation to lose.
3. Look for Janoshik involvement.
A legit vendor has multiple Janoshik tests across time, not just a single one.
4. Contact methods
Most grey vendors use:
- Telegram
- WhatsApp
- Email
If they have a polished Shopify storefront… that’s actually more suspicious in this industry.
---
5. 3 Things to check BEFORE ordering
A. Do they ship to your country? ( Analytics )
This is the part where most people get humbled.
Vendors will sometimes refuse to ship to countries with a low success rate.
That's why countries here with low success rates might be refused by vendors, or they won't reship if order gets seized. Meaning you accept the risks and have to pay full price if you want it reshipped.
US = 90-95% success rate
Americans have it easy.
Most small peptide packages slide through untouched.
Some vendors have US based warehouses, making you avoid customs at all and have your package delivered swiftly.
---
EU = 95-100% success rate
Vendor note:
> "EU is virtually 100%."
> "18 months grey, only seen 2 seizures in EU."
The EU is extremely safe for peptide-sized orders.
Almost everything goes through unless the parcel is huge or suspicious.
---
Germany = 95-100% success rate
Vendor confirmed.
Germany is actually one of the safest destinations as long as the parcel is small and correctly labeled.
---
UK = 85-90% success rate
UK can be unpredictable, but peptides typically get through.
Very few seizure reports.
Scandinavia = 20-50% success rate
Vendor note:
> “Scandinavia is fucked. Very hard especially going direct to country.”
- Sweden = 60–70%
- Denmark = 60–70%
- Finland = 50–60%
- Norway = 40–50% ( Strictest due to being outside EU customs )
( However, my experience ordering to Norway has been pretty good overall. I've had 5 successful deliveries and 1 seized. )
---
Canada = 50-70% success rate
Vendor note:
> " Canada fucking sucks "
Packages may arrive or get "politely detained".
Very unpredictable what may happen.
---
Australia = 50–70% success rate
Vendor note:
> “Australia I'd say more like 70% similar to Canada.”
- Stealth shipping = 70% success
- Normal shipping = 25–40% success
Still one of the strictest countries on Earth.
---
New Zealand = ~10–20% success rate
NZ customs are even worse than Australia.
Packages regularly get opened or seized.
---
South America = ~10–30% success rate
Vendor note:
> "South America fucking sucks"
Brazil is extremely strict (~10–20%).
Argentina, Chile, Colombia ~20–30%.
One of the hardest regions overall.
---
B. Do they have a reship policy/guarantee?
( This means that if your package gets detained in customs, your package can be resent for free, or for a fraction of the price. )
Examples:
- Free reship
- 20-50% Price reship ( Depending on how greedy your vendor is. )
- Shipping-only reship
Note:
In the grey market, “reship policies” are not real laws. They are there to attract more customers and make them feel more safe when ordering.
Whether you get a free reship, a discount reship, or no reship at all depends heavily on the company you choose and your sales representative’s mood that day.
My vendor explained it perfectly to me:
> "There is no such thing as a guaranteed return in the grey market.
> It depends on whether the company and the sales representative you find are willing to help you with a replacement or resend after a problem occurs.
> Pay attention to payment security, avoid scammers, choose a suitable company and representative, and always check the COA.
> Pick a company that is willing to provide long-term service.”
Translation:
Some vendors will help you because they want repeat business
others will ghost you harder than your ex after taking your money.
It is the grey market after all.
So yes, reship policies exist… but they are not 100% guaranteed.
C. Payment methods
Legit grey vendors accept:
- Crypto ( BTC, USDT, LTC, and more )
- Wire transfer
- Bank transfer
If someone offers PayPal or anything with chargeback protection → instant red flag.
---
METHOD 2 — The Janoshik Directory Method
Janoshik is a research laboratory that tests peptides, SARMs, steroids, oils, etc.
Their public directory shows:
- Lab name
- Product name
- Purity result
- Vendor website/contact email
- Batch info
Pros:
You can identify vendors indirectly.
Cons:
There are thousands of tests, and it is very time consuming.
Warning:
Scammers sometimes send ONE good sample, receive a nice purity report, attach their own contact info, and then sell garbage afterward.
This is why you ALWAYS research your vendor.
For example: Search vendor name + “reviews” + “scam” + “Janoshik” before spending a single dollar.
---
Price Comparison (EU Source vs Chinese Source)
EU SOURCE
- Ipamorelin 5mg - $25
- BPC-157 5mg - $35
- BAC-Water 15 ml - $16
CHINESE SOURCE
- Ipamorelin 50mg - $40 → 6.25× cheaper
- BPC-157 50mg - $40 → 8.75× cheaper
- BAC-Water 100ml — $8 → 13.4× cheaper
---
When you lay the math out like this, you immediately understand why long-term users always switch to Chinese grey-market suppliers.
You can:
- Run actual cycles
- Stockpile
- Freeze lyophilized peptides (1–2 years lifespan)
- Avoid overpriced TikTok peptides
This is how people make peptide use sustainable.
---
How to Spot a TikTok Peptide Scam (Real Example)
Here’s a perfect demonstration of how beginners get exploited in this industry, and why you need to be extremely cautious with anyone advertising "peptide sources" on TikTok.
A TikTok influencer claims to have a "cheap Chinese source" for HGH and peptides.
In reality, this is the exact same scam pattern that forums have exposed dozens of times.
Here’s how people figured it out:
1. The influencer funnels everyone to a Telegram “vendor.”
Already suspicious — legit grey vendors don’t need TikTok marketing to survive.
2. The “Chinese vendor” replies only during American hours.
Clear sign the influencer and the vendor are the same person pretending to be overseas.
3. Zero testing or verification.
One COA gets posted, but considering he’s made $54,000+ in crypto alone,
he could easily afford proper testing.
He just doesn’t care — the scam still prints money without it.
4. Terrible OPSEC.
He uses the same Bitcoin wallet address for every buyer.
Never rotates it.
Never hides it.
Anyone can check the blockchain and watch the profits stack up.
5. Exposed immediately on forums.
The moment his name started circulating, users connected the dots.
No testing history, no forum presence, no transparency, no long-term customers.
Just a TikTok scam disguised as a "Chinese source."
This is who he hurts:
- Desperate Teenagers wanting their dream "natty" physique
- Vulnerable old ladies that want GHK-CU for their skin to look young
- Newbies who don’t understand the grey-market yet
They’re the easiest people to exploit.
Final note on this matter
This is exactly why I made this thread.
To stop people from getting scammed in this stupid industry.
If you learn nothing else, learn this:
TikTok is not the place to find a peptide vendor.
Forums are.
Reputation is.
Testing is.
Verification is.
With the system in this guide, you never have to fall for this crap.
---
Final Summary (TL;DR)
1. Most grey-market peptides originate from China anyway.
Buying “local” is usually paying reseller markup for the same thing.
2. Vendors MUST have a forum presence.
If they avoid community spaces, it’s not for a good reason.
3. Look for Janoshik consistency, don't let one test convince you.
4. Chinese vendors are 6–13× cheaper across the board.
This alone explains long-term sustainability.
5. Smaller orders = lower customs risk.
6. Group chats (Telegram, Discord) are good signs.
Scam vendors avoid letting customers talk to each other.
---
I hope this helps someone avoid losing money, getting scammed, or paying absurd EU markups for something that’s literally manufactured in the same place as the cheaper version.
THIS THREAD CONTAINS:
| Introduction |
| My Story and Experience |
| Methods |
| How to Source |
| Things to Look Out For |
| Analytics |
| Scam Examples |
| Summary |
By no means is this medical advice.
This thread is not about the medical effects of peptides, how to use them, or what they do.
It is strictly a practical guide on how to avoid scams, how to identify legitimate grey-market vendors, and how to stop wasting money on overpriced or fake products.
Everyone’s body, health, and risk tolerance is different.
If you choose to research peptides, that is entirely your own responsibility.
My goal is simply to help you avoid getting scammed and allow you to source your peptides safely and confidently without spending weeks researching forums like I had to.
The information in this guide is based on my own experience in the grey market, combined with commonly observed trends within the peptide community. The success rate data is not made up or guessed.
It comes from delivery analytics shared with me by two independent vendors who were willing to provide insight into their real customer outcomes.
These statements reflect practical, observable patterns rather than speculation. The goal is to give you a realistic understanding of what to expect, not to scare you or sell you anything.
( Everything mentioned here is for research purposes only. )
This thread is not about the medical effects of peptides, how to use them, or what they do.
It is strictly a practical guide on how to avoid scams, how to identify legitimate grey-market vendors, and how to stop wasting money on overpriced or fake products.
Everyone’s body, health, and risk tolerance is different.
If you choose to research peptides, that is entirely your own responsibility.
My goal is simply to help you avoid getting scammed and allow you to source your peptides safely and confidently without spending weeks researching forums like I had to.
The information in this guide is based on my own experience in the grey market, combined with commonly observed trends within the peptide community. The success rate data is not made up or guessed.
It comes from delivery analytics shared with me by two independent vendors who were willing to provide insight into their real customer outcomes.
These statements reflect practical, observable patterns rather than speculation. The goal is to give you a realistic understanding of what to expect, not to scare you or sell you anything.
( Everything mentioned here is for research purposes only. )
Introduction
This guide is written with the explicit aim of helping beginners understand how to actually find a legitimate grey-market research chemical vendor without getting scammed, paying markup 10× higher than necessary, or ending up with peptides that look like they were mixed in someone’s bathtub.
This is not a medical guide, nor will I spoon-feed you vendor names.
Instead, this is meant to be a vademecum — a practical handbook — on navigating the peptide underworld efficiently.
I’m not here to lecture you about peptide chemistry or pharmacokinetics.
I’m here to explain the actual process of finding a trustworthy vendor, something I desperately wish someone explained to me when I first got into peptides and had the sourcing knowledge of a potato.
---
My Story (How I Ended Up in Peptide Hell)
When I was new to peptides, the first “source” I ever found was from TikTok.
Yes, TikTok.
Yes, I know.
I kept scrolling comments until I saw the same vendor mentioned multiple times and thought:
> “Wow, this must be legit!”
I ordered:
- Ipamorelin 5mg — $25
- BPC-157 5mg — $35
- BAC Water 15ml — $16
The package arrived, I got excited, ran my little experiment…
and absolutely nothing happened because the supply was tiny, overpriced, and unsustainable.
My conclusion at the time?
> “Peptides are bullshit.”
But the truth is: if you try to buy “EU-sourced peptides,” or anything marketed as “domestic,” you’re usually just paying extra for products that STILL come from China.
Realistically, 80–90% of grey-market peptide production is Chinese, excluding pharmacy.
Once you accept that, you realize the obvious:
Why pay European reseller prices when you can go directly to the source?
This is where the real journey started.
---
The Grey-Market Awakening
My first “serious” Chinese source was the infamous Shanghai vendor everyone knew about.
It was posted on TikTok, forums, Discord… basically the McDonald’s of peptide vendors.
Naturally, it eventually got shut down because of that spotlight. ( This is also why people don't give out their sources for free. )
After that, I felt lost again until I stumbled across a term that completely changed how I searched:
“Stairway to Grey.”
And that’s what opened the door to real suppliers, real prices, and real long-term sustainability.
Now you’re going to learn the same system.
---
METHOD 1 — The Forum Method (BEST METHOD)
If you only use ONE technique from this guide, use this one.
Reputable vendors always appear on reputable forums.
Scam vendors never do.
Some examples:
- Meso-RX
- GLP Forum
- Reddit peptide/SARM subreddits
Why forums matter:
1. Vendors have accounts there.
If a vendor that you saw on TikTok doesn’t show up on any credible forum, it’s almost always a scam, OR in the best case scenario you're falling victim to a guy that is reselling. But if you are paying them with crypto, they might as well just scam you. Since you can't do anything about it.
2. Real reviews from real customers.
You’ll find:
- Logs ( successful orders )
- Shipping times
- Scam reports
- Failed purity tests
- Group buys ( Is what it sounds like, you make orders as a group instead of buying as an individual. You have more power, guarantee and buyer safety if anything doesn't go as planned. )
If a vendor has a large, consistent customer base, they have a reputation to lose.
3. Look for Janoshik involvement.
A legit vendor has multiple Janoshik tests across time, not just a single one.
4. Contact methods
Most grey vendors use:
- Telegram
If they have a polished Shopify storefront… that’s actually more suspicious in this industry.
---
5. 3 Things to check BEFORE ordering
A. Do they ship to your country? ( Analytics )
This is the part where most people get humbled.
Vendors will sometimes refuse to ship to countries with a low success rate.
That's why countries here with low success rates might be refused by vendors, or they won't reship if order gets seized. Meaning you accept the risks and have to pay full price if you want it reshipped.
US = 90-95% success rate
Americans have it easy.
Most small peptide packages slide through untouched.
Some vendors have US based warehouses, making you avoid customs at all and have your package delivered swiftly.
---
EU = 95-100% success rate
Vendor note:
> "EU is virtually 100%."
> "18 months grey, only seen 2 seizures in EU."
The EU is extremely safe for peptide-sized orders.
Almost everything goes through unless the parcel is huge or suspicious.
---
Germany = 95-100% success rate
Vendor confirmed.
Germany is actually one of the safest destinations as long as the parcel is small and correctly labeled.
---
UK = 85-90% success rate
UK can be unpredictable, but peptides typically get through.
Very few seizure reports.
Scandinavia = 20-50% success rate
Vendor note:
> “Scandinavia is fucked. Very hard especially going direct to country.”
- Sweden = 60–70%
- Denmark = 60–70%
- Finland = 50–60%
- Norway = 40–50% ( Strictest due to being outside EU customs )
( However, my experience ordering to Norway has been pretty good overall. I've had 5 successful deliveries and 1 seized. )
---
Canada = 50-70% success rate
Vendor note:
> " Canada fucking sucks "
Packages may arrive or get "politely detained".
Very unpredictable what may happen.
---
Australia = 50–70% success rate
Vendor note:
> “Australia I'd say more like 70% similar to Canada.”
- Stealth shipping = 70% success
- Normal shipping = 25–40% success
Still one of the strictest countries on Earth.
---
New Zealand = ~10–20% success rate
NZ customs are even worse than Australia.
Packages regularly get opened or seized.
---
South America = ~10–30% success rate
Vendor note:
> "South America fucking sucks"
Brazil is extremely strict (~10–20%).
Argentina, Chile, Colombia ~20–30%.
One of the hardest regions overall.
---
B. Do they have a reship policy/guarantee?
( This means that if your package gets detained in customs, your package can be resent for free, or for a fraction of the price. )
Examples:
- Free reship
- 20-50% Price reship ( Depending on how greedy your vendor is. )
- Shipping-only reship
Note:
In the grey market, “reship policies” are not real laws. They are there to attract more customers and make them feel more safe when ordering.
Whether you get a free reship, a discount reship, or no reship at all depends heavily on the company you choose and your sales representative’s mood that day.
My vendor explained it perfectly to me:
> "There is no such thing as a guaranteed return in the grey market.
> It depends on whether the company and the sales representative you find are willing to help you with a replacement or resend after a problem occurs.
> Pay attention to payment security, avoid scammers, choose a suitable company and representative, and always check the COA.
> Pick a company that is willing to provide long-term service.”
Translation:
Some vendors will help you because they want repeat business
others will ghost you harder than your ex after taking your money.
It is the grey market after all.
So yes, reship policies exist… but they are not 100% guaranteed.
C. Payment methods
Legit grey vendors accept:
- Crypto ( BTC, USDT, LTC, and more )
- Wire transfer
- Bank transfer
If someone offers PayPal or anything with chargeback protection → instant red flag.
---
METHOD 2 — The Janoshik Directory Method
Janoshik is a research laboratory that tests peptides, SARMs, steroids, oils, etc.
Their public directory shows:
- Lab name
- Product name
- Purity result
- Vendor website/contact email
- Batch info
Pros:
You can identify vendors indirectly.
Cons:
There are thousands of tests, and it is very time consuming.
Warning:
Scammers sometimes send ONE good sample, receive a nice purity report, attach their own contact info, and then sell garbage afterward.
This is why you ALWAYS research your vendor.
For example: Search vendor name + “reviews” + “scam” + “Janoshik” before spending a single dollar.
---
Price Comparison (EU Source vs Chinese Source)
EU SOURCE
- Ipamorelin 5mg - $25
- BPC-157 5mg - $35
- BAC-Water 15 ml - $16
CHINESE SOURCE
- Ipamorelin 50mg - $40 → 6.25× cheaper
- BPC-157 50mg - $40 → 8.75× cheaper
- BAC-Water 100ml — $8 → 13.4× cheaper
---
When you lay the math out like this, you immediately understand why long-term users always switch to Chinese grey-market suppliers.
You can:
- Run actual cycles
- Stockpile
- Freeze lyophilized peptides (1–2 years lifespan)
- Avoid overpriced TikTok peptides
This is how people make peptide use sustainable.
---
How to Spot a TikTok Peptide Scam (Real Example)
Here’s a perfect demonstration of how beginners get exploited in this industry, and why you need to be extremely cautious with anyone advertising "peptide sources" on TikTok.
A TikTok influencer claims to have a "cheap Chinese source" for HGH and peptides.
In reality, this is the exact same scam pattern that forums have exposed dozens of times.
Here’s how people figured it out:
1. The influencer funnels everyone to a Telegram “vendor.”
Already suspicious — legit grey vendors don’t need TikTok marketing to survive.
2. The “Chinese vendor” replies only during American hours.
Clear sign the influencer and the vendor are the same person pretending to be overseas.
3. Zero testing or verification.
One COA gets posted, but considering he’s made $54,000+ in crypto alone,
he could easily afford proper testing.
He just doesn’t care — the scam still prints money without it.
4. Terrible OPSEC.
He uses the same Bitcoin wallet address for every buyer.
Never rotates it.
Never hides it.
Anyone can check the blockchain and watch the profits stack up.
5. Exposed immediately on forums.
The moment his name started circulating, users connected the dots.
No testing history, no forum presence, no transparency, no long-term customers.
Just a TikTok scam disguised as a "Chinese source."
This is who he hurts:
- Desperate Teenagers wanting their dream "natty" physique
- Vulnerable old ladies that want GHK-CU for their skin to look young
- Newbies who don’t understand the grey-market yet
They’re the easiest people to exploit.
Final note on this matter
This is exactly why I made this thread.
To stop people from getting scammed in this stupid industry.
If you learn nothing else, learn this:
TikTok is not the place to find a peptide vendor.
Forums are.
Reputation is.
Testing is.
Verification is.
With the system in this guide, you never have to fall for this crap.
---
Final Summary (TL;DR)
1. Most grey-market peptides originate from China anyway. Buying “local” is usually paying reseller markup for the same thing.
2. Vendors MUST have a forum presence. If they avoid community spaces, it’s not for a good reason.
3. Look for Janoshik consistency, don't let one test convince you.4. Chinese vendors are 6–13× cheaper across the board.This alone explains long-term sustainability.
5. Smaller orders = lower customs risk. 6. Group chats (Telegram, Discord) are good signs.Scam vendors avoid letting customers talk to each other.
---
I hope this helps someone avoid losing money, getting scammed, or paying absurd EU markups for something that’s literally manufactured in the same place as the cheaper version.
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