How to Fully Counter Sides of Test & GH

[H3rmes]

I’ll be hopping on my first cycle of

250mg test per week
7IU’s gh every night

What ancillaries/compounds are necessary/needed to fully counter the side efects of test and gh, wheter its thyroid failure or balls shrinking?

 

[sociamaxxer]

cant do anything against shrinked balls while on cycle. also there arent many sides there are threads to hgh and test in bob. (solution + rep pls)

 

[sherry12]

I’ll be hopping on my first cycle of

250mg test per week
7IU’s gh every night

What ancillaries/compounds are necessary/needed to fully counter the side efects of test and gh, wheter its thyroid failure or balls shrinking?

epelerone, aromtase inhibitor, ciallias is all u need ur balls are supposed to shirnk retard

 

[H3rmes]

cant do anything against shrinked balls while on cycle. also there arent many sides there are threads to hgh and test in bob. (solution + rep pls)

didnt rly answer my q abt ancillaries and supps to support cycle but ty ig

 

[H3rmes]

epelerone, aromtase inhibitor, ciallias is all u need ur balls are supposed to shirnk retard

what abt hcg?

 

[fletcherp]

cant do anything against shrinked balls while on cycle. also there arent many sides there are threads to hgh and test in bob. (solution + rep pls)

hcg looool

 

[sherry12]

what abt hcg?

That’s for post cycle

 

[H3rmes]

That’s for post cycle

alr havent rly researched this topic

 

[fletcherp]

I’ll be hopping on my first cycle of

250mg test per week
7IU’s gh every night

What ancillaries/compounds are necessary/needed to fully counter the side efects of test and gh, wheter its thyroid failure or balls shrinking?

get:
t4 in case your thyroid shuts down
aromasin in case you become estrogenic
accutane in case you get acne
fin in case you get hair loss
tudca in case your liver struggles
telmisartan in case your blood pressure gets fucked
berberine in case your blood glucose gets fucked

 

[H3rmes]

get:
t4 in case your thyroid shuts down
aromasin in case you become estrogenic
accutane in case you get acne
fin in case you get hair loss
tudca in case your liver struggles
telmisartan in case your blood pressure gets fucked
berberine in case your blood glucose gets fucked

Exactly what I was looking for

So this will not be taken regularly but only kept in hand if the mentioned sides take place

Or when the bloodwork shows somethings off, right?

 

[TrueSkywalker]

There’s no such thing as fully countering sides on test + GH, especially at those doses. You can manage them a bit, but once you’re on test and GH you’re accepting some level of risk. Test will mess with your natural production and estrogen, GH can mess with insulin sensitivity, water retention, etc. There’s no perfect combo that just cancels everything out. People throw around AIs, SERMs and thyroid stuff, but it’s really not a one size fits all thing. It depends how your body responds. That’s why guys always say get bloodwork and adjust from there. At 250 test you might get away with minimal support depending on response, but 7IU GH daily is already on the higher side for a first run. If you’re proper serious about it, you need regular bloods (lipids, liver, kidney, glucose, thyroid, hormones) and to adjust based on that. There’s no “take X and you’re safe” stack unfortunately.

 

[insignia_]

alr havent rly researched this topic

Use hcg during the entire cycle.

 

[H3rmes]

There’s no such thing as fully countering sides on test + GH, especially at those doses. You can manage them a bit, but once you’re on test and GH you’re accepting some level of risk. Test will mess with your natural production and estrogen, GH can mess with insulin sensitivity, water retention, etc. There’s no perfect combo that just cancels everything out. People throw around AIs, SERMs and thyroid stuff, but it’s really not a one size fits all thing. It depends how your body responds. That’s why guys always say get bloodwork and adjust from there. At 250 test you might get away with minimal support depending on response, but 7IU GH daily is already on the higher side for a first run. If you’re proper serious about it, you need regular bloods (lipids, liver, kidney, glucose, thyroid, hormones) and to adjust based on that. There’s no “take X and you’re safe” stack unfortunately.

Sadly already kinda realised that,

I’ll get full panels every month, and I was thinking of having the counters in hand in case something went wrong

What amount GH do you suggest?

 

[H3rmes]

Use hcg during the entire cycle.

I’d rather not twin

 

[insignia_]

I’d rather not twin

Why?

 

[H3rmes]

Why?

I’ll do some research,

I’ve been getting contradicting advice, one saying hcg is post-cycle and you saying whole cycle

so lwk gotta research ts on my own

 

[TrueSkywalker]

Sadly already kinda realised that,

I’ll get full panels every month, and I was thinking of having the counters in hand in case something went wrong

What amount GH do you suggest?

I can't give a specific amount but you’ll see a lot of guys start lower (like in the lower IU range) just to see how they tolerate it: GH sides like water retention, numb hands, sleep issues, insulin sensitivity can hit quick. Then they slowly titrate up if everything looks fine on bloods. No real benefit rushing high doses early when you don’t even know your response yet, just work your way up from there.

Just to add, this is pretty standard btw, clinical guidance (like Endocrine Society) uses the same idea of starting low and adjusting and there’s plenty of stuff on PubMed showing GH side effects are dose dependent if you want to read more into it.

 

[insignia_]

I’ll do some research,

I’ve been getting contradicting advice, one saying hcg is post-cycle and you saying whole cycle

so lwk gotta research ts on my own

It keeps your testes active throughout the whole cycle, making it easier to come off. It also prevents them from shrinking.

 

[Mercurius]

get:
t4 in case your thyroid shuts down
aromasin in case you become estrogenic
accutane in case you get acne
fin in case you get hair loss
tudca in case your liver struggles
telmisartan in case your blood pressure gets fucked
berberine in case your blood glucose gets fucked

why would you choose fin

dut mogs in literally every aspect

 

[H3rmes]

It keeps your testes active throughout the whole cycle, making it easier to come off. It also prevents them from shrinking.

So if I understand correctly, if I run test with hcg, it’ll be easier to come off cycle when I’m done and I wont experience harsh sides?

 

[H3rmes]

why would you choose fin

dut mogs in literally every aspect

Off topic but nice avi

 

[insignia_]

So if I understand correctly, if I run test with hcg, it’ll be easier to come off cycle when I’m done and I wont experience harsh sides?

I suggest you do your own research now because I don’t know enough to give you a good answer.

 

[H3rmes]

I suggest you do your own research now because I don’t know enough to give you a good answer.

Alright thanks, you helped a lot tho ty

 

[fletcherp]

Exactly what I was looking for

So this will not be taken regularly but only kept in hand if the mentioned sides take place

Or when the bloodwork shows somethings off, right?

exactly.

only thing you don't tend to do based on bloodwork is take an ai, nuking estrogen is normally only done if you feel sides of high estrogen

 

[fletcherp]

why would you choose fin

dut mogs in literally every aspect

better to start with fin so you don't just nuke your dht for no reason

 

[Mercurius]

Off topic but nice avi

thank you

 

[Mercurius]

better to start with fin so you don't just nuke your dht for no reason

dht is useless after puberty

if youre in puberty you shouldnt take any dht blocker

 

[H3rmes]

exactly.

only thing you don't tend to do based on bloodwork is take an ai, nuking estrogen is normally only done if you feel sides of high estrogen

current estradiol <10

 

[H3rmes]

dht is useless after puberty

if youre in puberty you shouldnt take any dht blocker

I am in puberty

 

[Mercurius]

I am in puberty

stick to oral minox

not worth nuking your dht yet

you could miss out on dick growth aswell

 

[H3rmes]

stick to oral minox

not worth nuking your dht yet

you could miss out on dick growth aswell

Crazy

did not think about that at all

thanks ill get oral minox if I have any problems with hair

surely its safer than test

 

[Mercurius]

Crazy

did not think about that at all

thanks ill get oral minox if I have any problems with hair

surely its safer than test

yeah minox is safe

doesnt give crazy results but you have no other option in puberty

 

[H3rmes]

good enough dont have a problem with it for now anyways, will see once im on cycle

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I’ll be hopping on my first cycle of

250mg test per week
7IU’s gh every night

What ancillaries/compounds are necessary/needed to fully counter the side efects of test and gh, wheter its thyroid failure or balls shrinking?

Low iq post. How tf are you ready to hop on HGH and test without even knowing a single ancillary

 

[H3rmes]

Low iq post. How tf are you ready to hop on HGH and test without even knowing a single ancillary

I have all ancillaries, just checking again to see if theres anything I missed out on, which I did

I forgot TUDCA and minox idk how tf

anyways now im set

 

[Paul.jnxy]

I have all ancillaries, just checking again to see if theres anything I missed out on, which I did

I forgot TUDCA and minox idk how tf

anyways now im set

Show me your entire load out. Il give you something you most likely missed.

 

[H3rmes]

Show me your entire load out. Il give you something you most likely missed.

Generic telmisartan 20 once daily. If BP consistently above 130/85 on cycle
Tadalafil 5mg daily (generic Cialis)
Generic tadalafil 5mg daily
Aspirine 81mg enteric coated daily
Berberine 500mg three times daily with meals
200mg day ubiquinol form coq10

t4 in case thyroid shuts down
aromasin in case estrogenic
accutane in case acne
fin in case you hair loss
tudca in case liver struggles
telmisartan in case blood pressure gets fucked
berberine in case blood glucose gets fucked

 

[Paul.jnxy]

Generic telmisartan 20 once daily. If BP consistently above 130/85 on cycle
Tadalafil 5mg daily (generic Cialis)
Generic tadalafil 5mg daily
Aspirine 81mg enteric coated daily
Berberine 500mg three times daily with meals
200mg day ubiquinol form coq10

t4 in case thyroid shuts down
aromasin in case estrogenic
accutane in case acne
fin in case you hair loss
tudca in case liver struggles
telmisartan in case blood pressure gets fucked
berberine in case blood glucose gets fucked

And supplements?

 

[fletcherp]

Exactly what I was looking for

So this will not be taken regularly but only kept in hand if the mentioned sides take place

Or when the bloodwork shows somethings off, right?

when it comes to bloodwork, the only stuff you make changes based on biomarkers are ggt, cyostatin c, lipids, t4, and hba1c

e2, dht, and prolactin are things that you're going to make changes based on side effects, you don't start crashing that for no reason

 

[Buddyboyo2]

pct

 

[H3rmes]

And supplements?

08:00 - Fish oil, CoQ10, D3K2 (drops), collagen mix (1 scoop)
13:00 - Probiotic
19:00 - Calcium + D3, vitamin C tablet
22:30 - Passiflora, melatonin
23:15 - Magnesium bisglycinate, magnesium citrate


Calcium with Vitamin D3 (capsule)

• Calcium: 300 mg
• Vitamin D3: 200 IU

Passiflora incarnata (capsule)

• Passiflora extract: 300 mg

Fish Oil (capsule)

• EPA: 384 mg
• DHA: 252 mg
• Other omega-3 fatty acids: 144 mg

Coenzyme Q10

• Coenzyme Q10: 100 mg

Magnesium Bisglycinate (capsule)

• Magnesium bisglycinate: 120 mg

Magnesium Citrate (capsule)

• Magnesium citrate: 250 mg

Beauty Collagen Mix (powder)
per scoop

• Hydrolyzed collagen peptides: 10,000 mg
• Hyaluronic acid: 100 mg
• Vitamin C: 300 mg
• Glutathione: 30 mg
• Coenzyme Q10: 10 mg
• Alpha-lipoic acid: 50 mg
• Vitamin E: 12 mg alpha-TE
• Vitamin B3: 20 mg NE
• Vitamin B5: 6 mg
• Vitamin B6: 1.4 mg
• Vitamin B12: 500 mcg
• Biotin: 2,500 mcg
• Zinc: 10 mg
• Selenium: 55 mcg

Vitamin C (effervescent tablet dissolved in water)

• Vitamin C: 1,000 mg
• Zinc: 10 mg
• Vitamin D3: 10 mcg

D3K2 (drops)
Per drop:

• Vitamin D3: 25 μg
• Vitamin K2: 11.25 μg

Probiotic 5B (capsule)
per capsule

• Inulin: 600 mg
• Lactobacillus acidophilus: 1 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium longum: 1 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium bifidum: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus plantarum: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus rhamnosus: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus bulgaricus: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus paracasei: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium breve: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus reuteri: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Streptococcus thermophilus: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium infantis: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU

Melatonin (gummies)

• Melatonin: 2 × 1 mg = 2 mg total

 

[Paul.jnxy]

08:00 - Fish oil, CoQ10, D3K2 (drops), collagen mix (1 scoop)
13:00 - Probiotic
19:00 - Calcium + D3, vitamin C tablet
22:30 - Passiflora, melatonin
23:15 - Magnesium bisglycinate, magnesium citrate


Calcium with Vitamin D3 (capsule)

• Calcium: 300 mg
• Vitamin D3: 200 IU

Passiflora incarnata (capsule)

• Passiflora extract: 300 mg

Fish Oil (capsule)

• EPA: 384 mg
• DHA: 252 mg
• Other omega-3 fatty acids: 144 mg

Coenzyme Q10

• Coenzyme Q10: 100 mg

Magnesium Bisglycinate (capsule)

• Magnesium bisglycinate: 120 mg

Magnesium Citrate (capsule)

• Magnesium citrate: 250 mg

Beauty Collagen Mix (powder)
per scoop

• Hydrolyzed collagen peptides: 10,000 mg
• Hyaluronic acid: 100 mg
• Vitamin C: 300 mg
• Glutathione: 30 mg
• Coenzyme Q10: 10 mg
• Alpha-lipoic acid: 50 mg
• Vitamin E: 12 mg alpha-TE
• Vitamin B3: 20 mg NE
• Vitamin B5: 6 mg
• Vitamin B6: 1.4 mg
• Vitamin B12: 500 mcg
• Biotin: 2,500 mcg
• Zinc: 10 mg
• Selenium: 55 mcg

Vitamin C (effervescent tablet dissolved in water)

• Vitamin C: 1,000 mg
• Zinc: 10 mg
• Vitamin D3: 10 mcg

D3K2 (drops)
Per drop:

• Vitamin D3: 25 μg
• Vitamin K2: 11.25 μg

Probiotic 5B (capsule)
per capsule

• Inulin: 600 mg
• Lactobacillus acidophilus: 1 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium longum: 1 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium bifidum: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus plantarum: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus rhamnosus: 0.5 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus bulgaricus: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus paracasei: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium breve: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Lactobacillus reuteri: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Streptococcus thermophilus: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU
• Bifidobacterium infantis: 0.25 × 10⁹ CFU

Melatonin (gummies)

• Melatonin: 2 × 1 mg = 2 mg total

Very good actually. Whats the point of citrate and bisglycin?

 

[H3rmes]

Very good actually. Whats the point of citrate and bisglycin?

I take Bisglycin for relaxed sleep, and citrate for just magnesium absorption

but more so its just a habit

because I used to take a mix of both

but then when I decided to up dose I just split them