What can I do to "hide" this failo ? Growing a stubble maybe (so as not to draw attention to my mouth) ? 
have you ever tried this ? if for example after 4 months I've good result and I stop, will I keep my gains ?
Have you already tried the mouth widener ?
yes i did for about a month. i kept ripping my lips open (the sides of it) and always just had temporary gains. they went away after a couple of mins
so what are you doing currently to fix that ? I think that I just need to accept my failo tbh
ever since i gained some bf im my face and stubble its waaaay less visible so nothing tbh
49.3-62.9mm mouth and a 35.6-43.2mm nose (ala to ala) are cephalometricly average so maybe you don't have too small a mouth, maybe your alars just flare too much or some ratios make the mouth look small.I've a sub5 tier Nose to Mouth ratio, my mouth is too narrow for my face
It never gave me folds I stopped gains were permanent
so does this make the middle meatish part of the lips grow or just opens the sides of the mouth? which would look like utter shit imo
how do you measure them my brain is turned off rn
It widens the side of mouthso does this make the middle meatish part of the lips grow or just opens the sides of the mouth? which would look like utter shit imo
thats why mouth widening and messing with lips is a joke. you either got a pretty mouth or not
ops mouth will always look like shit no offence
thats pointless. you need more upper lip
Idek actually lmaoRuler maybe
Some people have very narrow mouth but thick lips
i mean i assume you dont measure the photo right? i asked because you seemed to know ops measurements i understood wrong probRuler maybe
Oh nah I was just giving the range for normal mouth width and normal nasal width
your bottom lip looks thick. upper lip looks decently thick too it just lacks in weidth. you need more horizontal lip but you cant grow it idk how to say it
before / after pic ?
maybe is just my face which is too wide ? I dont know honestly but maybe 99% of people will not noticed my failo tbh
I look better with a low bf tbh but yes I will try minoxidil to stubblemax
sorry i didnt know who you were. i mistaken you for op
Yeah from what I can see, your mouth width to bigonial width ratio is too low (normal is about 0.55). Your upper lip vermillion height to upper lip height ratio is too low also. Normal vermillion upper lip is about 13.8- 14mm and normal upper lip is about 25-26.5mm (upper lip incl philtrum). So your actual upper lip should be about 54-60% of your upper lip + philtrum to look harmonic
Do you think stubble frauding is legit ? or what should I do else ?
@Maesthetic Basically I think your lips are too small for your mouth. It's probs not an issue of having a small mouth since your gonions and cheekbones seem to be wide enough.
Concretly there is nothing I can do exept accept it ?
I'm not sure what you can do tbh. It's just a harmony thing. Even if you actually widened your lips, they'd still be too small on your face. It's something you should probs just not worry about. And sorry for blackpilling you about mouth-area harmony but yeah you should probs just not focus on it coz there's really nothing to do and it's not even that bad. It's just an area where you lack a bit of harmony but it's not a major failo or anything
Reducing alar flare will probs make your mouth look better than doing anything to your lips. Ratios/harmony is something that's never talked about here but it's important to know how everything plays into each other.
im not into surgeries tbh
seems to be the solution but I don't want to do any surgeries atm but yes it can maybe fix my problem
Yeah I'm not a fan of recommending surgeries to try fix harmony but if OP or anything where ratios are being messed with but if @Maesthetic really wanted to go all in he could get a lip lift+alarplasty. There's a mouth widening surgery called "fishtail flap" but it looks dodgy asf. Other than that, mewing and mouth stretching might help. But it's kinda stupid to put so much effort into a small thing. I'm just trying to give the best advice I can.
Also practice smiling a lot. I think that'll actually help
Never, ever apply topical minoxidil on your face
. It's not worth the low density "stubble" you gain for losing your youthful skin.
Big folds when I smile + 6 teeth smile, I avoid to smile as much as possible, it doesn't look good
Is this sking aging / collagen loss caused by minoxidil real or it's just a myth ? Like if I have a good skincare routine + dermarolling I will still rape my skin ?Never, ever apply topical minoxidil on your face
Yeah I used to do the same. Trying to hold a smile would cause some type of tremoring in my lips and it felt really weird. Probs because I had aa pair of upper premolars removed so I only have 12 teeth on the top. Really consistent mewing over the past 3.5-4yrs helped with that though and I feel like my lips have got a bit wider and now I can smile easier. Try to expand your dental arch by applying bilateral outward force as well as a upward+forward when you mew.
Thanks, I will do that for sure
Yeah it's caused by minox. We saw it all happen to @Lifeisgood74 back in the day. Brutal
I'm one of them
the question is is this an isolated case or is it like that for the majority ? cuz on reddit the majority of people didn't noticed any collagen loss. Btw for people who lost collagen, it will go back to normal after stopping the treatment or its fucked for ever ?
