i have the mouth protrusion of doom and despair

[jeb98]

completely fucks my side profile

 

[chadisbeingmade]

My guy has a convex philtrum @imontheloose

 

[Oesteogenesis]

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Do you have an overjet? show teeth front and side profile fully open lips. you have black pheno lips from the side for some reason

 

[jeb98]

Do you have an overjet? show teeth front and side profile fully open lips. you have black pheno lips from the side for some reason

I have overjet + over bite + impacted canines, causing my protruding mouth

 

[Bryce]

Sounds brutal but you're 100% sure you don't have a birth defect? With this type of thing as well as your eye spacing and other facial features are very prevalent in cases of birth defects.

 

[Oesteogenesis]

I have overjet + over bite + impacted canines, causing my protruding mouth

Most likely the reason, although could be genetics too. Id get that checked with an ortho and fixed. I also have the same thing kind of but not really but my top lip is slightly ahead of my lower because of my overjet

 

[jeb98]

Sounds brutal but you're 100% sure you don't have a birth defect? With this type of thing as well as your eye spacing and other facial features they are very prevalent in cases of birth defects.

I am positive I was born without defects I just got super unlucky

 

[Orka]

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Mouth protrusion! I never knew the term. Thank you.

Also have an issue like this but just less extreme than your case, do you know what bones are responsible for this?

 

[jeb98]

Mouth protrusion! I never knew the term. Thank you.

Also have an issue like this but just less extreme than your case, do you know what bones are responsible for this?

I don't really think it's caused by the mandible or maxilla, but more due to dental issues

 

[Oesteogenesis]

Mouth protrusion! I never knew the term. Thank you.

Also have an issue like this but just less extreme than your case, do you know what bones are responsible for this?

found this, no fucking clue what it is but looks like it does the job and recesses your maxilla pretty sure

 

[jeb98]

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found this, no fucking clue what it is but looks like it does the job and recesses your maxilla pretty sure

that would work but would probably recess the fuck out of me but it is always an option

 

[Oesteogenesis]

that would work but would probably recess the fuck out of me but it is always an option

I have no fucking clue i just found it on google

 

[Mizi44]

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Wow well that honestly sucks man, do you know hte reason why the philtrum pops out that much reminds me of when woman get filler and get filler mustache or hower its called

 

[jeb98]

I have no fucking clue i just found it on google

yeah I found it aswell, I've never seen anything like it before

 

[jeb98]

Wow well that honestly sucks man, do you know hte reason why the philtrum pops out that much reminds me of when woman get filler and get filler mustache or hower its called

it's because of my teeth, and  hopefully it can be fixed with braces

 

[Oesteogenesis]

it's because of my teeth, and  hopefully it can be fixed with braces

Show teeth side and front send a pic here

 

[jeb98]

Show teeth side and front send a pic here

idk how to take good pictures of teeth

 

[Oesteogenesis]

idk how to take good pictures of teeth

smile as big as you can and click the button to take a picture repeat for side

 

[jeb98]

smile as big as you can and click the button to take a picture repeat for side

 

[Oesteogenesis]

yea your teeth are fucking horrible, go to an ortho asap and get that fixed, doesnt look like an overjet so your philtrum might just be genetic. you have a overbite though

 

[jeb98]

yea your teeth are fucking horrible, go to an ortho asap and get that fixed, doesnt look like an overjet so your philtrum might just be genetic. you have a overbite though

yeah I'm planning on getting braces within a few months

 

[Oesteogenesis]

yeah I'm planning on getting braces within a few months

Dont let them extract thats all i know though im quite uneducated on orthodontics since my teeth are fine. Look around on threads here and online or some high iqcel can reply to you with good tips idk

 

[Tomorrow]

yeah I'm planning on getting braces within a few months

fuck a few months
go tomorrow
or today if it isnt late there

 

[Sicilian Cyclops]

I have overjet + over bite + impacted canines, causing my protruding mouth

impacted canines are brutal, i know your pain. are yours buccally or lingually impacted?

 

[jeb98]

impacted canines are brutal, i know your pain. are yours buccally or lingually impacted?

buccally and it sucks

 

[imontheloose]

My guy has a convex philtrum @imontheloose

He will have insane malocclusion. Poor thing. Le bimax.

 

[jeb98]

He will have insane malocclusion. Poor thing. Le bimax.

unfortunately my case isn't severe enough for any surgery according to my ortho. just braces

 

[imontheloose]

unfortunately my case isn't severe enough for any surgery according to my ortho. just braces

Do you mind showing me?

 

[jeb98]

Do you mind showing me?

sure, but showing what?

 

[imontheloose]

sure, but showing what?

A side shot of your teeth whilst in their natural bite, or better (if you ortho gave you a lateral ceph or something).

 

[jeb98]

A side shot of your teeth whilst in their natural bite, or better (if you ortho gave you a lateral ceph or something).

this is the best photo I can take at the time, but i can see if i can get a better picture tomorrow

 

[jeb98]

A side shot of your teeth whilst in their natural bite, or better (if you ortho gave you a lateral ceph or something).

however I think the main issue causing it are my impacted canines

 

[imontheloose]

View attachment 4176069this is the best photo I can take at the time, but i can see if i can get a better picture tomorrow

I can’t see much, but looks like class II, div 1. Your philtral column is absolutely convex as @chadisbeingmade describes it. It’s going to be lip-strain from that upper incisor protrusion I bet.

however I think the main issue causing it are my impacted canines

I highly doubt this is the case. Maybe indirectly from crowding, but the canine itself won’t make that philtrum bulge; if it were the case that your canines were impacting anything, it would usually manifest as a lateral canine-fossa bulge instead.

When the uppers sit forward and/or tipped out, the orbicularis oris has to contract to get a seal; that muscle pressure bulges the “central” upper lip so the philtrum reads convex. Your lower lip will catch behind the upper incisors usually (a lip-trap), deepening the labiomental fold too.



Not going to be bimax-tier unless jaw discrepancy is spotted which your ortho probably ruled out. In all honesty, they might go the safe route of premolar extractions which isn’t what you want. Perhaps TAD-anchored mechanics of sorts (?), they do these in aligners/braces I’m aware of, but not sure of what else, or if they’re even suitable for you / if your ortho is qualified to use them.



Would love a CBCT if you get/have one.

 

[jeb98]

I can’t see much, but looks like class II, div 1. Your philtral column is absolutely convex as @chadisbeingmade describes it. It’s going to be lip-strain from that upper incisor protrusion I bet.

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I highly doubt this is the case. Maybe indirectly from crowding, but the canine itself won’t make that philtrum bulge; if it were the case that your canines were impacting anything, it would usually manifest as a lateral canine-fossa bulge instead.

When the uppers sit forward and/or tipped out, the orbicularis oris has to contract to get a seal; that muscle pressure bulges the “central” upper lip so the philtrum reads convex. Your lower lip will catch behind the upper incisors usually (a lip-trap), deepening the labiomental fold too.

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Not going to be bimax-tier unless jaw discrepancy is spotted which your ortho probably ruled out. In all honesty, they might go the safe route of premolar extractions which isn’t what you want. Perhaps TAD-anchored mechanics of sorts (?), they do these in aligners/braces I’m aware of, but not sure of what else, or if they’re even suitable for you / if your ortho is qualified to use them.

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Would love a CBCT if you get/have one.

if I can get a CBCT I will send it. I'll try to avoid any extractions, but since that would be the cheapest option, my parents will probably opt for it.