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For context I am from Ireland, a country that never colonised anywhere and was colonised by Britain.
I said to her that everyone talks about the Holocaust and trans-atlantic slavery in relation to atrocities of the past, and although some people with a semi-average knowledge of history bring up what the Turks or Japs did, no-one every mentions what happened to the native Americans, and the reason is because they're all dead.
We had an interesting discussion for a while until she said "It's so horrible what we did."
I said that we didn't do anything, and that even if our ancestors did (which they most likely didn't) we wouldn't bear responsibility. And she said that we are guilty because we are white and have a European culture.
GUILTY OF WHAT? that is literally assigning guilt to someone because of the colour of their skin and their culture; plain racism.
If your father was a serial killer does that make you a bad person?
That's like when Christians say that the Jews killed Jesus
She said never forget what the English did to us even though we ourselves never suffered and very few English people alive today had anything to do with colonising our country.
On top of that colonialism arguably benefitted Ireland; if we weren't colonised we wouldn't speak English and wouldn't have had any industry or infrastructure until the 20th century; we would have the same GDP and living standards as other peripheral European countries like Portugal or Greece.
The classic "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
I said to her that I don't like that blame and guilt mentality because I see it a lot in Irish people; they don't trust English people and make jokes about them but if an English person does the same thing Irish people get mad.
I remember I saw a reddit thread on r/Ireland where a guy working in England was complaining about how he got in trouble for making a joke about English people; if an English person made a joke about Irish people he would be offended, it's a complete double standard. The same way blacks in America hate white people but think it's not racist, but if a white person said they hated black people they would think they're a white supremacist.
She then got really annoyed at me and stormed off. WTF
This is American white liberal logic in 2023, it's widespread in Europe now, it's over for the Western world.
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@HarrierDuBois thoughts?
I said to her that everyone talks about the Holocaust and trans-atlantic slavery in relation to atrocities of the past, and although some people with a semi-average knowledge of history bring up what the Turks or Japs did, no-one every mentions what happened to the native Americans, and the reason is because they're all dead.
We had an interesting discussion for a while until she said "It's so horrible what we did."
I said that we didn't do anything, and that even if our ancestors did (which they most likely didn't) we wouldn't bear responsibility. And she said that we are guilty because we are white and have a European culture.
GUILTY OF WHAT? that is literally assigning guilt to someone because of the colour of their skin and their culture; plain racism.
If your father was a serial killer does that make you a bad person?
That's like when Christians say that the Jews killed Jesus
She said never forget what the English did to us even though we ourselves never suffered and very few English people alive today had anything to do with colonising our country.
On top of that colonialism arguably benefitted Ireland; if we weren't colonised we wouldn't speak English and wouldn't have had any industry or infrastructure until the 20th century; we would have the same GDP and living standards as other peripheral European countries like Portugal or Greece.
The classic "What have the Romans ever done for us?"
I said to her that I don't like that blame and guilt mentality because I see it a lot in Irish people; they don't trust English people and make jokes about them but if an English person does the same thing Irish people get mad.
I remember I saw a reddit thread on r/Ireland where a guy working in England was complaining about how he got in trouble for making a joke about English people; if an English person made a joke about Irish people he would be offended, it's a complete double standard. The same way blacks in America hate white people but think it's not racist, but if a white person said they hated black people they would think they're a white supremacist.
She then got really annoyed at me and stormed off. WTF
This is American white liberal logic in 2023, it's widespread in Europe now, it's over for the Western world.
@Xangsane @Prettyboy @TRUE_CEL @Manu le coq @human304 @klip11 @Beastimmung @the BULL
@PrinceLuenLeoncur
@Pretty
@HarrierDuBois thoughts?
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