I made my Muslim Freind an Kafir

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

@recai iskender @JeanneDArcAlter @SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist @Shrek2OnDvD @Numb The Pain @JasGews69x

My buddy and I have been arguing for 3 weeks I destroyed him on every argument against Christianity and have shaken his belief in the Quran’s credibility. What did he do? He went AFK the last 5 days over this shit (he told me) and did reassrch


He NO LONGER BELIEVES THE QURAN is the direct verbatim divine speech of Allah , he now thinks it’s inspired by god instead . Now for the westerners who are of Christian background here you may be like “so what” but in Islam Muslims believe the Quran LITERALLY IS THE VERBATIM WORD OF GOD, this is not like Christian’s who believe god spoke through the prophets via divine inspiration to write down gods commands via the vector of the person using their own cadence and personality in the text.

This according to any historical and modern Islamic account is an act of Kufr and relegates him as a Murtad. This is Ridda (Apostacy heresy) in Islam

Now he also says he thinks JESUS IS DIVINE BUT NOT GOD (This is a contradiction ofc, to be divine is to be god for divinity is a property only to the divine aka God )

HAVE I CAUSED A NIGGA TO CREATE A NEW SECT OF GNOSTICISM. DIVINE NOT GOD JESUS INSPIRED QURAN AND BIBLE NEITHER THE DIRECT WORD OF GOD BUT JESUS IS DIVINE? Is this ARIANISM

@PsychoH @vrilmaxxer lol

 

[+10]

@recai iskender @JeanneDArcAlter @SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist @Shrek2OnDvD @Numb The Pain @JasGews69x

My buddy and I have been arguing for 3 weeks I destroyed him on every argument against Christianity and have shaken his belief in the Quran’s credibility. What did he do? He went AFK the last 5 days over this shit (he told me) and did reassrch


He NO LONGER BELIEVES THE QURAN is the direct divine speech of Allah , he now thinks it’s inspired by god instead . Now for the westerners who are of Christian background here you may be like “so what” but in Islam Muslims believe the Quran LITERALLY IS THE VERBATIM WORD OF GOD, this is not like Christian’s who believe god spoke through the prophets via divine inspiration to write down gods commands via the vector of the person using their own cadence and personality in the text.

This according to any historical and modern Islamic account is an act of Kufr and relegates him as a Murtad. This is Ridda (Apostacy heresy) in Islam

Now he also says he thinks JESUS IS DIVINE BUT NOT GOD (This is a contradiction ofc, to be divine is to be god for divinity is a property only to the divine aka God )

HAVE I CAUSED A NIGGA TO CREATE A NEW SECT OF GNOSTICISM. DIVINE NOT GOD JESUS INSPIRED QURAN AND BIBLE NEITHER THE DIRECT WORD OF GOD BUT JESUS IS DIVINE? Is this ARIANISM

@PsychoH @vrilmaxxer lol

You just saved him

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

You just saved him

He’s not Christian yet


But the fact he said he believes Jesus is divine but not God is definitely a start

Thankfully the Quran is so inconsistent that it attributes divine attributes to Jesus as well and so that Islamic holy book helped me on this as well so thanks Quran for being so inconsistent

 

[SecularIslamist]

Send me his location.

 

[+10]

He’s not Christian yet


But the fact he said he believes Jesus is divine but not God is definitely a start

He WILL bow down to the almighty

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Send me his location.

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I literally told him your response is what Every Muslim Would do, infact I told him to not tell any other Muslim about this new belief of his because many even normie Muslims in rage will put fatwa on him for this heretical Kufr belief.

I literally caused this cos I showed him the Quran has many errors isn’t clear, the current Quran is standardised in 1924 Egypt Qirat and also showed him that the qirats have different meanings in verses and that the current Quran used today is the one recitation from Zayad Bin Thabic based on Caliph Uthmans burning of the other Qurans and I showed him how Mohammed’s Numebr one reciter Ibn Masu’d who is mentioned in one Hadith as being the man Mohammed loves the most and in another Hadith with Mohammed mentioning him first as the 4 people to get Quran recitation from. Well let’s just say him alongside Ibn Kab both called the 114 chapter Zayad recital Quran “Deception” “False”

Meaning half of Mohammed’s reciters of the Quran DISAGREE WITH THE MODERN QURAN BEING TRUE

ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC HADITH

YES YOUR OWN SOURCES.

This led him to ridda

 

[SecularIslamist]

I literally told him your response is what Every Muslim Would do, infact I told him to not tell any other Muslim about this new belief of his because many even normie Muslims in rage will put fatwa on him for this heretical Kufr belief.

I literally caused this cos I showed him the Quran has many errors isn’t clear, the current Quran is standardised in 1924 Egypt Qirat and also showed him that the qirats have different meanings in verses and that the current Quran used today is the one recitation from Zayad Bin Thabic based on Caliph Uthmans burning of the other Qurans and I showed him how Mohammed’s Numebr one reciter Ibn Masu’d who is mentioned in one Hadith as being the man Mohammed loves the most and in another Hadith with Mohammed mentioning him first as the 4 people to get Quran recitation from. Well let’s just say him alongside Ibn Kab both called the 114 chapter Zayad recital Quran “Deception” “False”

Meaning half of Mohammed’s reciters of the Quran DISAGREE WITH THE MODERN QURAN BEING TRUE

ACCORDING TO ISLAMIC HADITH

YES YOUR OWN SOURCES.

This led him to ridda

Uthman burnt it to standardise the Qur'an and he is a companion and rightly guided so the Qur'an as it exists today is the word of god. Only ghulat shias and orientalists make a big deal out of this.

You made some low IQ Muzzie who doesn't know how to defend Islam and has no background in theology become a kafir. Well done. But Islam will survive while 99% of christcucks are defiling their own religion. So carry on coping.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Uthman burnt it to standardise the Qur'an and he is a companion and rightly guided so the Qur'an as it exists today is the word of god. Only ghulat shias and orientalists make a big deal out of this.

You made some low IQ Muzzie who doesn't know how to defend Islam and has no background in theology become a kafir. Well done. But Islam will survive while 99% of christcucks are defiling their own religion. So carry on coping.

No he tried to harmonise it he isn’t low IQ he tried and said what you said even lol . Reality is your Quran is in question by the number 1 reciter of it, and NO UTHMAN WASNT ONE SUCH RECITER SO HIS OPINION KS MUTE HE JUST WANTED TO PREVENT CONFLICT AS YOU STATED, HIM BEING AN COMPANION DOESNT GIVE HIM WAHI TO DICTATE WHICH RECITATION IS CORRECT ESP AS HALF OF THE RECITERS ARGUE OVER IT


I still rkt him because the reality is

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Nobody gave Uthman Wahi to know which Quran was the “right one”. The Hadiths are all in agreement with me btw and all SAHIH


Being a proud expert of the Quran, Ibn Masud would agree that his mastery of the Quran was unrivaled. Of his own prowess, he says:
''Narrated Abdullah (bin Mas'ud) (ra): By Allah other than Whom none has the right to be worshipped! There is no Sura revealed in Allah's Book but I know at what place it was revealed; and there is no verse revealed in Allah's Book but I know about whom it was revealed. And if I know that there is somebody who knows Allah's Book better than I, and he is at a place that camels can reach, I would go to him. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 6, p.488). ''

However, Ibn Masud does not think highly of today's Quran, the one collected by Zaid. In comparing himself to Zaid, he says:
''The people have been guilty of deceit in the reading of the Qur'an. I like it better to read according to the recitation of him (Prophet) whom I love more than that of Zayd Ibn Thabit. By Him besides Whom there is no god! I learnt more than seventy surahs from the lips of the Apostle of Allah, may Allah bless him, while Zayd Ibn Thabit was a youth, having two locks and playing with the youth". (Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, Vol. 2, p.444)

Ibn Masud and the Corruption of the ZSV
Ibn Masud is Muhammad's first choice of Quran teachers for his people ACCORDING TO THIS MASU’D IS THE MOST RIGHTLY GUIDED BY ALLAH AT THE QURAN ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN PROPHETS MOUTH
Narrated Masruq: Abdullah bin Mas'ud was mentioned before Abdullah bin Amr who said, "That is a man I still love, as I heard the Prophet (saw) saying, 'Learn the recitation of the Qur'an from four: from Abdullah bin Mas'ud - he started with him - Salim, the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa, Mu'adh bin Jabal and Ubai bin Ka'b". (Sahih al-Bukhari, Vol. 5, p.96).




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Mohammed made it abundantly clear who his main reciter was and it wasn’t Zayad

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2 out of the 4 Quran reciters disagreed with Zayads Quran.

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According to Ibn Abi Daud's Kitab al-Masahif, we find out that Ibn Masud only includes 111 surahs in his Quran (as opposed to the ZSV's 114). In addition, chapters that were found in both codices often had many variants; within surat al-Baqara alone, 101 variants exist. Not all of these variants are differences in spelling. For example:
Surah 2:275 begins with the words Allathiina yaakuluunar-ribaa laa yaquumuuna - "those who devour usury will not stand". Ibn Mas'ud's text had the same introduction but after the last word there was added the expression yawmal qiyaamati, that is, they would not be able to stand on the "Day of Resurrection".

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"The 'variants' in Ibn Masud's codex were no variants at all! They were part of the 7 ahruf, or perhaps just differences in qirrat!"

This, too, is a horridly desperate effort to save the Quran from having variants. No reasonable definition of ahruf or qirrat, no matter how broad, can encompass whole missing chapters! Ibn Masud had 111 chapters in his Quran, leaving out chapters 1, 113, and 114. He considered these to be prayers revealed by God for the benefit of Muslims, but not surahs intended for the Quran. (As a side note, Ubay ibn Kab included these 3 surahs in his codex, along with 2 others. The additional 2 surahs are prayers recited by Muslims even today which many believe to be divinely revealed, but not part of the Quran).

If Muslims continue providing this as a response to the Ibn Masud problem, I would simply have to ask "What is the definition of ahruf or qirrat?" Even while ignoring the abysmal failure of anyone in history to ever provide a good definition of ahruf, (a fact that even Muslim theologians have noted) there simply can be no reasonable definition which can include missing chapters.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

Uthman burnt it to standardise the Qur'an and he is a companion and rightly guided so the Qur'an as it exists today is the word of god. Only ghulat shias and orientalists make a big deal out of this.

You made some low IQ Muzzie who doesn't know how to defend Islam and has no background in theology become a kafir. Well done. But Islam will survive while 99% of christcucks are defiling their own religion. So carry on coping.

Also keep coping


We are taking your followers and best part is we are doing it with 0 propaganda or threats. Cry for us Mohammeden . My religion stands strong (I’ll admit the west has fallen but that’s why you can only point to western Christian’s and mock then because they are Secular, meanwhile everywhere else we mogg you idiots). More converts in Iran ALONE than all the Mohammeden converts in Europe

Umah is falling

 

[shia.jihadist]

@recai iskender @JeanneDArcAlter @SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist @Shrek2OnDvD @Numb The Pain @JasGews69x

My buddy and I have been arguing for 3 weeks I destroyed him on every argument against Christianity and have shaken his belief in the Quran’s credibility. What did he do? He went AFK the last 5 days over this shit (he told me) and did reassrch


He NO LONGER BELIEVES THE QURAN is the direct verbatim divine speech of Allah , he now thinks it’s inspired by god instead . Now for the westerners who are of Christian background here you may be like “so what” but in Islam Muslims believe the Quran LITERALLY IS THE VERBATIM WORD OF GOD, this is not like Christian’s who believe god spoke through the prophets via divine inspiration to write down gods commands via the vector of the person using their own cadence and personality in the text.

This according to any historical and modern Islamic account is an act of Kufr and relegates him as a Murtad. This is Ridda (Apostacy heresy) in Islam

Now he also says he thinks JESUS IS DIVINE BUT NOT GOD (This is a contradiction ofc, to be divine is to be god for divinity is a property only to the divine aka God )

HAVE I CAUSED A NIGGA TO CREATE A NEW SECT OF GNOSTICISM. DIVINE NOT GOD JESUS INSPIRED QURAN AND BIBLE NEITHER THE DIRECT WORD OF GOD BUT JESUS IS DIVINE? Is this ARIANISM

@PsychoH @vrilmaxxer lol

nigga hes going to claim prophethood and start a new religion

 

[khaleejicel]

Also keep coping


We are taking your followers and best part is we are doing it with 0 propaganda or threats. Cry for us Mohammeden . My religion stands strong (I’ll admit the west has fallen but that’s why you can only point to western Christian’s and mock then because they are Secular, meanwhile everywhere else we mogg you idiots). More converts in Iran ALONE than all the Mohammeden converts in Europe

Umah is falling

u think we care about iranians nigga? ur legit turning them from kafir to kafir

 

[IwillRope2024]

may allah strike you.

you filthy lowly kafir dog.

we need to resurrect the islamic caliphate and purge filth like you

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

u think we care about iranians nigga? ur legit turning them from kafir to kafir

My buddy is Sunni

Now he’s a muntafik cos of me I educated him in your filthy cult. The same way I educated you abdoool

Be ashamed.

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

may allah strike you.

you filthy lowly kafir dog.

we need to resurrect the islamic caliphate and purge filth like you

Resurrect it and I’ll destroy it to the glory of the Lord Jesus Christ whome your pedophile faggot gay prophet is under the feet off and unworthy to even sniff Jesus’s feet because moahmmed is truly one of the greatest pedophile rapists to ever exist.

If the Umma rises again Christian’s will crush the Umma again as we have always done which is why the Jesus left the church which still exists and the caliphate Mohammed left doesn’t .

 

[shia.jihadist]

caliphate Mohammed ﷺ left doesn’t .

that retard caliphate was NOT what Muhammad ﷺ left

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

that retard caliphate was NOT what Muhammad ﷺ left

He left the caliphate that’s the main thing he left… even the Quran wasn’t compiled until after he died sure people had the suras in their brains or parchment of goat but point remains it wasn’t compiled.

Mohammed left with an caliphate that’s what he left Islam with, and now your religion lost that proving Islam is dead.

Jesus left the church, he promised the gates of hell won’t prevail against it and he never lied the Mohammeden cult hasn’t prevailed against it despite being at our gates for 14hunned years

The church is still strong and standing and growing everyday RC and protCUCKism are jokes and thus losing ground but that’s their fault for being heretics. The same way Sunnis view you shias is how I view prots and RC

 

[BigBiceps]

@recai iskender @JeanneDArcAlter @SecularIslamist @shia.jihadist @Shrek2OnDvD @Numb The Pain @JasGews69x

My buddy and I have been arguing for 3 weeks I destroyed him on every argument against Christianity and have shaken his belief in the Quran’s credibility. What did he do? He went AFK the last 5 days over this shit (he told me) and did reassrch


He NO LONGER BELIEVES THE QURAN is the direct verbatim divine speech of Allah , he now thinks it’s inspired by god instead . Now for the westerners who are of Christian background here you may be like “so what” but in Islam Muslims believe the Quran LITERALLY IS THE VERBATIM WORD OF GOD, this is not like Christian’s who believe god spoke through the prophets via divine inspiration to write down gods commands via the vector of the person using their own cadence and personality in the text.

This according to any historical and modern Islamic account is an act of Kufr and relegates him as a Murtad. This is Ridda (Apostacy heresy) in Islam

Now he also says he thinks JESUS IS DIVINE BUT NOT GOD (This is a contradiction ofc, to be divine is to be god for divinity is a property only to the divine aka God )

HAVE I CAUSED A NIGGA TO CREATE A NEW SECT OF GNOSTICISM. DIVINE NOT GOD JESUS INSPIRED QURAN AND BIBLE NEITHER THE DIRECT WORD OF GOD BUT JESUS IS DIVINE? Is this ARIANISM

@PsychoH @vrilmaxxer lol

Absolutely based. Whole world will be Christian.

 

[shia.jihadist]

He left the caliphate that’s the main thing he left… even the Quran wasn’t compiled until after he died sure people had the suras in their brains or parchment of goat but point remains it wasn’t compiled.

Mohammed left with an caliphate that’s what he left Islam with, and now your religion lost that proving Islam is dead.

Jesus left the church, he promised the gates of hell won’t prevail against it and he never lied the Mohammeden cult hasn’t prevailed against it despite being at our gates for 14hunned years

The church is still strong and standing and growing everyday RC and protCUCKism are jokes and thus losing ground but that’s their fault for being heretics. The same way Sunnis view you shias is how I view prots and RC

he left Imam Ali as his successor but all those retards were like nah we just doing our own thing and made a retarded caliphate and tried to compile their own quran instead of just taking the one that the Prophet ﷺ dictated to Imam Ali
then they fought over each other on which version of the quran was right so usman chose one and burned all the other ones

 

[sigma boii]

You made him this boii

 

[PrinceLuenLeoncur]

he left Imam Ali as his successor but all those retards were like nah we just doing our own thing and made a retarded caliphate and tried to compile their own quran instead of just taking the one that the Prophet ﷺ dictated to Imam Ali
then they fought over each other on which version of the quran was right so usman chose one and burned all the other ones

Wait so your saying Shiah’s believe that there is a true Quran that isn’t the current Quran

 

[shia.jihadist]

Wait so your saying Shiah’s believe that there is a true Quran that isn’t the current Quran

if you asked the layman shia he would say he doesnt believe that but if you look into it it makes sense

but all of the verses in the current Quran are perfect and from Allah and we are ordered to recite the current Quran until Imam Mahdi reappears

though no one can say the current order of verses is what Allah and the Prophet ﷺ intended and no one can say there aren't other verses which were revealed but uthman didnt include

the Quran dictated by the Prophet ﷺ was written by Imam Ali which he brought to Abu Bakr and Umar but they rejected it and said they will compile it themselves
so Imam Ali told them that if they don't accept his written Quran then it will only appear when Imam Mahdi comes

 

[khaleejicel]

My buddy is Sunni

Now he’s a muntafik cos of me I educated him in your filthy cult. The same way I educated you abdoool

Be ashamed.

u didnt school anyone my nigga u just have too much ego for no reason

 

[khaleejicel]

Wait so your saying Shiah’s believe that there is a true Quran that isn’t the current Quran

they will claim this isn't true but there are multiple aHadith within kitab al kafi which state the final quran is with the imams