Everyone that has faith in Jesus Christ as the son of God and lives a life of obedience to God's commandments receives salvation, denomination does not matter.
In the moment a Egyptian brother of mine and myself are both Free Gracers. Issue is, we see early first and second Century Church fathers, students of the Apostles, preach the real actual blood and flesh of our LORD in the Eucharist.
Why don't you think it's merely symbolic?
Matt 5, and Rev 21 don't teach losing salvation. Jesus is making a point, not saying we need to be righteous. We can't. We need His later Sacrifice.
Because Jesus states to eat his flesh and blood, which was later elaborated on during the last supper. Now the reason I believe it is that if there was no element of Christ's blood and flesh present we'd not really be fulfilling His command. We'd be partaking in an act without substance if it was merely eating bread and wine as a symbolic reflection. And Jesus would be commanding us to eat nothing more than plain food, Jesus gives this act a high importance, literally saying that one who doesn't partake in eating His flesh and blood has no life in him. I don't believe a mere symbolic reflection would be of such high importance as to literally say those without it have no life in them.
It's symbolic. Once we believe and accept Jesus as Lord, the moment we are Saved, we eat His flesh and drink His blood, the Lamb of God.
Sureeee
Another thing I'm almost sure of is that muzzies will not receive it
Matt 5:20 states "For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."
Well the quotes are saying something entirely different from what I initially thought, they were talking about entrance to new Israel, not heaven, except for Rev 3:5.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God."
The Bible explicitly says its not of ourselves but a gift of God. A gift is free. Totally free
So here's the deal, "Those who stay unrighteous." That's now a work to keep a Free Gift. It's now relying on our own self.
I fully agree that it's not your works that save you. Yet your righteousness has to exceed in certain ways, like the Bible says, in order to be saved.
This dichotomy of gifts having no condition does not exist Bible. Take for example the gift of the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38: "Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit". Not a free gift without condition.
I don't believe in my works, I've said I believe that God (and I) sees my works as filthy rags. This doesn't negate previous points.
I don't see the problem of having to do something in order to receive something. Saying that it's not a gift because you have to be in a certain state of righteousness is pointless semantics. It's not relying yourself because you're not the one giving yourself salvation.
Think of all the things you can justify doing with this while still receiving salvation, you will end up like this: https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Nicolaitans
That means nothing more than that you were forgiving, this was not intent on saying you were washed from judgement.
If it was punishment on earth Paul wouldn't have said "if you do this you will not inherit the kingdom of God"
My ex was orthodox
The Bible makes it clear that none of us are righteous not one. The Bible makes it clear in Titus 3:5-7 that it is by no works of righteousness or the moral law or anything.
Notice you're opening and last statement, Notice the double talk which most works salvationist tend to do.
Notice, those are Saved believers who are relishing in sin.
Quran mogs
quran is toilet paper with arabic grammatical errors, and sun setting in mud, earth sitting on a whales back, and the islamic hadiths say satan farts when u pray and pisses in ur ear as u sleep. It's a laughing stock.
Romans 4:5
It's not double speak. Your good works being looked at as filthy rags and worth that to God is not mutually exclusive to you having to be righteous to receive salvation.
Faith is not an equivalent or substitute for righteousness, but God graciously treats it as if it were the same. Otherwise, no one could be saved from sin and have eternal life. That is Paul's point.
And this is nothing more than Jesus reinforcing His promise.
Lol if I have to work and try to be righteous, then I am relying on myself, not Jesus's finished work, and then I am paying for a Free Gift. That defeats the entire literal definition of a "Free Gift."
No, they're not in heaven
Paul literally tells them, hypothetically, if someone did NO work, ZERO. His Faith is counted as Righteousness and He is Saved.
Titus 3:5-7
The papacy is an aberration to the orginal church. The pope even says Islam and Christianity worship the same god. Why follow such doctrine. Even the Filioque is false. The Catholic Church is in error and less biblically relevant as orthodoxy. Ask me any orthodox question you have brother I’m new myself only converted 2 months ago and I’m going through my Catacumism in 7th of next month
The argument regarding fath and works means that Your faith will BEAR FRUIT. The closer you come to following god the more godlike you become which will show in your works aka cooperating with god. This is biblically proven, the issue with protescucks is that they have a silly “faith works” thing so you can be a sinner etc and still be saved like how are you even able to grow in Christ if you don’t know if your truly saved
This is what we mean by “Faith and works” your faith will BEAR FRUITS. As Jesus said “You will kno them by their fruits and by their fruits you shall know them. We partake in gods energies and through them we experience his grace and from there we become more pleasing to god in our walk in faith and our works show this to god and tie most pleasing
Dude… please understand these do not oppose eachother, faith without works is dead as it’s not true faith or love, being faithful to Christ requires WORK and collaborating with god requires FAITH.
I can't do this I just know I'm going to stop trying to convince people. You want to be a goat okay go ahead.
Dude undrstand our “works” is GOD WORKING through us not us ourselves we are all sinners brother all of us we are all scum it’s by the grace of god we are even allowed salvation and through that we love him and have faith in him and our faith in him brings us closer to him which makes him work through us to sin less.
