I need all the dating advice help I can get.

[enchanted_elixir]

So there’s this woman I saw about a week ago. The first time, I caught her staring at me once—I thought nothing of it.

But today, she came in and then she decided to sit right across from me again (moderate distance, facing me), and she started staring again, this time for longer. When I looked up and caught her, she held eye contact for about a second before looking away. After that, I noticed a few more quick glances when I wasn’t looking directly, and she kept fixing her hair.

What’s strange is that there were plenty of better seats available—like twenty or thirty empty chairs—and yet she chose that exact spot near me. Normally, people our age (Zoomers) sit where there are fewer people, or wherever’s most convenient, but this didn’t seem like that. It felt intentional.

Now, my default assumption—the “null hypothesis,” so to speak—is always that a woman doesn’t like me until there’s enough evidence to reject that claim. I don’t assume interest and risk deluding myself.

based on my framework of attraction cues: if a woman likes you, she’ll look at you, try to get closer, try to isolate you (to create opportunities), try to learn about you, figure out if you like her (risk assessment), and try to make you like her.

By that logic, if this situation is legit, she’s showing at least a couple of those signs—staring and closing distance.

The problem is, my framework kind of assumes that women will give enough (frequent or blatant) clear IOIs (Indicators of Interest) to detect attraction. That’s not necessarily true for women who are more reserved, cautious, or trying not to look obvious or desperate.

So now I’m stuck wondering if I’m just being delusional.

I’ve heard that if a woman doesn’t think you like her, she’ll stop giving IOIs altogether. I don’t want that to happen, but if it’s true, I’ll never get enough signals to confidently reject my null hypothesis—unless she makes it blatantly obvious (which usually only happens if you’re a “Chad-lite”+ or she already perceives you that way).

Now I’m confused and have approach anxiety since I don’t really do cold approaches.

What should I do, boys? I don’t want to approach and get rejected—or worse, get the “nice” treatment, where she’s polite but clearly not interested.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Should I collect more data, or what

 

[frayed]

I say shoot ur shot, if she's been looking at u then theres nothing too loose, and if she does reject you, just forget about it

 

[frayed]

Should I collect more data, or what

asap

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Shieeet i think i should have smiled at her when she did that initial long stare

 

[NotaChadyet]

She only wants chads to approach her

 

[enchanted_elixir]

I say shoot ur shot, if she's been looking at u then theres nothing too loose, and if she does reject you, just forget about it

I can't prove it wasn't a coincidence.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

@jeoyw9192

 

[frayed]

I can't prove it wasn't a coincidence.

yea but I mean you never really can, just ball out

 

[enchanted_elixir]

asap

Too high inhib for that, maybe if I get more evidence I will become lower-inhib but not now lol

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It probably means nothing but I'd shoot my shots regardless just to avoid the regret. Also i didn't know you were in school. Look at this nigga solving Systems of Linear Equations: Substitution and Elimination. @imontheloose

 

[heightmax]

love and you’ll be loved bro

 

[BigBallsLarry]

View attachment 4231599

So there’s this woman I saw about a week ago. The first time, I caught her staring at me once—I thought nothing of it.

But today, she came in and then she decided to sit right across from me again (moderate distance, facing me), and she started staring again, this time for longer. When I looked up and caught her, she held eye contact for about a second before looking away. After that, I noticed a few more quick glances when I wasn’t looking directly, and she kept fixing her hair.

What’s strange is that there were plenty of better seats available—like twenty or thirty empty chairs—and yet she chose that exact spot near me. Normally, people our age (Zoomers) sit where there are fewer people, or wherever’s most convenient, but this didn’t seem like that. It felt intentional.

Now, my default assumption—the “null hypothesis,” so to speak—is always that a woman doesn’t like me until there’s enough evidence to reject that claim. I don’t assume interest and risk deluding myself.

based on my framework of attraction cues: if a woman likes you, she’ll look at you, try to get closer, try to isolate you (to create opportunities), try to learn about you, figure out if you like her (risk assessment), and try to make you like her.

By that logic, if this situation is legit, she’s showing at least a couple of those signs—staring and closing distance.

The problem is, my framework kind of assumes that women will give enough (frequent or blatant) clear IOIs (Indicators of Interest) to detect attraction. That’s not necessarily true for women who are more reserved, cautious, or trying not to look obvious or desperate.

So now I’m stuck wondering if I’m just being delusional.

I’ve heard that if a woman doesn’t think you like her, she’ll stop giving IOIs altogether. I don’t want that to happen, but if it’s true, I’ll never get enough signals to confidently reject my null hypothesis—unless she makes it blatantly obvious (which usually only happens if you’re a “Chad-lite”+ or she already perceives you that way).

Now I’m confused and have approach anxiety since I don’t really do cold approaches.

What should I do, boys? I don’t want to approach and get rejected—or worse, get the “nice” treatment, where she’s polite but clearly not interested.

If she's really THAT into you she'll do more. Be patient, wait for more signs.

More signs = more confirmation of attraction = more confidence. Which means you'll break the barrier and maybe take the risk and approach her.

Hell, if you're lucky and prove stubborn enough she might ask you out herself, it's rare but it happens if she likes you enough.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

yea but I mean you never really can, just ball out

 

[enchanted_elixir]

If she's really THAT into you she'll do more. Be patient, wait for more signs.

More signs = more confirmation of attraction = more confidence. Which means you'll break the barrier and maybe take the risk and approach her.

Hell, if you're lucky and prove stubborn enough she might ask you out herself, it's rare but it happens if she likes you enough.

I'll probably wait it out. I've only seen her twice so I think it would be too premature.

 

[imontheloose]

It probably means nothing but I'd shoot my shots regardless just to avoid the regret. Also i didn't know you were in school. Look at this nigga solving Systems of Linear Equations: Substitution and Elimination. @imontheloose

Holy shit. Back when life was simple, eh?

 

[frayed]

Shieeet i think i should have smiled at her when she did that initial long stare

lowkey woulda worked

 

[enchanted_elixir]

It probably means nothing but I'd shoot my shots regardless just to avoid the regret. Also i didn't know you were in school. Look at this nigga solving Systems of Linear Equations: Substitution and Elimination. @imontheloose

Well, it's matrix algebra, not that 9th grade stuff.
@imontheloose

 

[enchanted_elixir]

lowkey woulda worked

She also sneezed, so I could have said "bless you" but the moment when that insight arose, it was too late.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Holy shit. Back when life was simple, eh?

True. These kind of topics exist to build confidence and make you feel like you understand math when the real bangers come in college and hit you like a train

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Well, it's matrix algebra, not that 9th grade stuff.
@imontheloose

Pre cal?

 

[imontheloose]

True. These kind of topics exist to build confidence and make you feel like you understand math when the real bangers come in college and hit you like a train

Did you ever end up doing any quantum or complex analysis? I doubt you'd really have needed it. EE guys care about quantum tunnelling and complex analysis is obvious.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Too high inhib for that, maybe if I get more evidence I will become lower-inhib but not now lol

I have cold approached before, but I felt like it was undeniable she was into me. I don't think its the same case (At least yet) here.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Pre cal?

Yes.

 

[imontheloose]

Well, it's matrix algebra, not that 9th grade stuff.
@imontheloose

FYI: If you edit a ping in, it doesn't ping.

I'm not calling you dumb or anything, I'm just saying that it only gets worse.

Funny enough, the more you do maths, the more you realise all roads lead to linear algebra. @Jason Voorhees

Wait till you pull the mask off a complex num. and realise it's a matrix.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Did you ever end up doing any quantum or complex analysis? I doubt you'd really have needed it. EE guys care about quantum tunnelling and complex analysis is obvious.

No. I know enough of the linear algebra behind quantum computing and the applications of complex numbers in theFast Fourier Transform but the full, rigorous analysis courses no. Never did

 

[imontheloose]

No. I know enough of the linear algebra behind quantum computing and the applications of complex numbers in theFast Fourier Transform but the full, rigorous analysis courses no. Never did

Understandable. Everything is everywhere 'till it isn't tbh.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Understandable. Everything is everywhere 'till it isn't tbh.

Tbh. I never understood the point of half of these advanced math courses. Like some of them were sure interesting and useful but the rest they made it mandatory just for the sake of stretching the course material

 

[imontheloose]

Tbh. I never understood the point of half of these advanced math courses. Like some of them were sure interesting and useful but the rest they made in mandatory just for the sake of stretching the course material

I enjoy pure; I was debating doing pure undergrad before I decided on eng.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

I enjoy pure; I was debating doing pure undergrad before I decided on eng.

Because of the money? You could have still done it without an engg. Just a slightly longer pagh

 

[imontheloose]

Because of the money? You could have still done it without it tbh. Just a slightly longer pagh

Mere interest.

 

[Daddy's Home]

Go to her already bro, wtf..

What are you waiting for, to put her pussy on your face?

@BigBallsLarry

Got to her, and ask her what she's doing, and then if she has any plans for the evening or the following days (that is the only question necessary)

If she says she has plans, it means she's not interesting, you say ok and bye, and if she says she doesn't have plans, it's confirmation that she wants you

If she says she has no plans, tell her if she wants to give you her Insta/FB or phone number to schedule a date, and from there you know what to do

As long as she looks at you and then touches her hair and shit she wants you

At my first job a co-worker did this to me, but I just ignored her (but she thought I just didn't understand her signals) and we got to the point after weeks where she asked me if I didn't want to go shopping with her at the supermarket after work (I said no), and then she put other colleagues of ours ask me if I didn't want a girlfriend, and if so, they would have one for me..

 

[jeoyw9192]

View attachment 4231599

So there’s this woman I saw about a week ago. The first time, I caught her staring at me once—I thought nothing of it.

But today, she came in and then she decided to sit right across from me again (moderate distance, facing me), and she started staring again, this time for longer. When I looked up and caught her, she held eye contact for about a second before looking away. After that, I noticed a few more quick glances when I wasn’t looking directly, and she kept fixing her hair.

What’s strange is that there were plenty of better seats available—like twenty or thirty empty chairs—and yet she chose that exact spot near me. Normally, people our age (Zoomers) sit where there are fewer people, or wherever’s most convenient, but this didn’t seem like that. It felt intentional.

Now, my default assumption—the “null hypothesis,” so to speak—is always that a woman doesn’t like me until there’s enough evidence to reject that claim. I don’t assume interest and risk deluding myself.

based on my framework of attraction cues: if a woman likes you, she’ll look at you, try to get closer, try to isolate you (to create opportunities), try to learn about you, figure out if you like her (risk assessment), and try to make you like her.

By that logic, if this situation is legit, she’s showing at least a couple of those signs—staring and closing distance.

The problem is, my framework kind of assumes that women will give enough (frequent or blatant) clear IOIs (Indicators of Interest) to detect attraction. That’s not necessarily true for women who are more reserved, cautious, or trying not to look obvious or desperate.

So now I’m stuck wondering if I’m just being delusional.

I’ve heard that if a woman doesn’t think you like her, she’ll stop giving IOIs altogether. I don’t want that to happen, but if it’s true, I’ll never get enough signals to confidently reject my null hypothesis—unless she makes it blatantly obvious (which usually only happens if you’re a “Chad-lite”+ or she already perceives you that way).

Now I’m confused and have approach anxiety since I don’t really do cold approaches.

What should I do, boys? I don’t want to approach and get rejected—or worse, get the “nice” treatment, where she’s polite but clearly not interested.

Not too sure tbh maybe see if the same happens another day, or perhaps even more happens (trying to get closer/isolate you).

 

[PrettyLights]

I don’t how to help bro, I don’t really know how to read female behaviors and things of that nature

 

[Mess]

Chad does not gather data and evaluates the best possibles outcomes, Chad goes in assuming she wants him. Be Chad.

 

[iraqi]

View attachment 4231599

So there’s this woman I saw about a week ago. The first time, I caught her staring at me once—I thought nothing of it.

But today, she came in and then she decided to sit right across from me again (moderate distance, facing me), and she started staring again, this time for longer. When I looked up and caught her, she held eye contact for about a second before looking away. After that, I noticed a few more quick glances when I wasn’t looking directly, and she kept fixing her hair.

What’s strange is that there were plenty of better seats available—like twenty or thirty empty chairs—and yet she chose that exact spot near me. Normally, people our age (Zoomers) sit where there are fewer people, or wherever’s most convenient, but this didn’t seem like that. It felt intentional.

Now, my default assumption—the “null hypothesis,” so to speak—is always that a woman doesn’t like me until there’s enough evidence to reject that claim. I don’t assume interest and risk deluding myself.

based on my framework of attraction cues: if a woman likes you, she’ll look at you, try to get closer, try to isolate you (to create opportunities), try to learn about you, figure out if you like her (risk assessment), and try to make you like her.

By that logic, if this situation is legit, she’s showing at least a couple of those signs—staring and closing distance.

The problem is, my framework kind of assumes that women will give enough (frequent or blatant) clear IOIs (Indicators of Interest) to detect attraction. That’s not necessarily true for women who are more reserved, cautious, or trying not to look obvious or desperate.

So now I’m stuck wondering if I’m just being delusional.

I’ve heard that if a woman doesn’t think you like her, she’ll stop giving IOIs altogether. I don’t want that to happen, but if it’s true, I’ll never get enough signals to confidently reject my null hypothesis—unless she makes it blatantly obvious (which usually only happens if you’re a “Chad-lite”+ or she already perceives you that way).

Now I’m confused and have approach anxiety since I don’t really do cold approaches.

What should I do, boys? I don’t want to approach and get rejected—or worse, get the “nice” treatment, where she’s polite but clearly not interested.

what grade math is this

 

[Tigermoggerlol]

View attachment 4231599

So there’s this woman I saw about a week ago. The first time, I caught her staring at me once—I thought nothing of it.

But today, she came in and then she decided to sit right across from me again (moderate distance, facing me), and she started staring again, this time for longer. When I looked up and caught her, she held eye contact for about a second before looking away. After that, I noticed a few more quick glances when I wasn’t looking directly, and she kept fixing her hair.

What’s strange is that there were plenty of better seats available—like twenty or thirty empty chairs—and yet she chose that exact spot near me. Normally, people our age (Zoomers) sit where there are fewer people, or wherever’s most convenient, but this didn’t seem like that. It felt intentional.

Now, my default assumption—the “null hypothesis,” so to speak—is always that a woman doesn’t like me until there’s enough evidence to reject that claim. I don’t assume interest and risk deluding myself.

based on my framework of attraction cues: if a woman likes you, she’ll look at you, try to get closer, try to isolate you (to create opportunities), try to learn about you, figure out if you like her (risk assessment), and try to make you like her.

By that logic, if this situation is legit, she’s showing at least a couple of those signs—staring and closing distance.

The problem is, my framework kind of assumes that women will give enough (frequent or blatant) clear IOIs (Indicators of Interest) to detect attraction. That’s not necessarily true for women who are more reserved, cautious, or trying not to look obvious or desperate.

So now I’m stuck wondering if I’m just being delusional.

I’ve heard that if a woman doesn’t think you like her, she’ll stop giving IOIs altogether. I don’t want that to happen, but if it’s true, I’ll never get enough signals to confidently reject my null hypothesis—unless she makes it blatantly obvious (which usually only happens if you’re a “Chad-lite”+ or she already perceives you that way).

Now I’m confused and have approach anxiety since I don’t really do cold approaches.

What should I do, boys? I don’t want to approach and get rejected—or worse, get the “nice” treatment, where she’s polite but clearly not interested.

Its over. No dating till your HTN+ with physique halo. That's how it is in 2025

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Go to her already bro, wtf..

What are you waiting for, to put her pussy on your face?

View attachment 4231685 @BigBallsLarry

Got to her, and ask her what she's doing, and then if she has any plans for the evening or the following days (that is the only question necessary)

If she says she has plans, it means she's not interesting, you say ok and bye, and if she says she doesn't have plans, it's confirmation that she wants you

If she says she has no plans, tell her if she wants to give you her Insta/FB or phone number to schedule a date, and from there you know what to do

As long as she looks at you and then touches her hair and shit she wants you

At my first job a co-worker did this to me, but I just ignored her (but she thought I just didn't understand her signals) and we got to the point after weeks where she asked me if I didn't want to go shopping with her at the supermarket after work (I said no), and then she put other colleagues of ours ask me if I didn't want a girlfriend, and if so, they would have one for me..

How do I know I’m not delusional and projecting my desires on her.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Go to her already bro, wtf..

What are you waiting for, to put her pussy on your face?

View attachment 4231685 @BigBallsLarry

Got to her, and ask her what she's doing, and then if she has any plans for the evening or the following days (that is the only question necessary)

If she says she has plans, it means she's not interesting, you say ok and bye, and if she says she doesn't have plans, it's confirmation that she wants you

If she says she has no plans, tell her if she wants to give you her Insta/FB or phone number to schedule a date, and from there you know what to do

As long as she looks at you and then touches her hair and shit she wants you

At my first job a co-worker did this to me, but I just ignored her (but she thought I just didn't understand her signals) and we got to the point after weeks where she asked me if I didn't want to go shopping with her at the supermarket after work (I said no), and then she put other colleagues of ours ask me if I didn't want a girlfriend, and if so, they would have one for me..

Should I collect more evidence. I know that if I come here in the future, I’ll meet her again.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

what grade math is this

Precalculus Algebra, College/University

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Its over. No dating till your HTN+ with physique halo. That's how it is in 2025

I am low HTN with fashion halo.

 

[iraqi]

Precalculus Algebra, College/University

bro we did that in gr10

 

[Arzenic]

To be honest, you are over analysing the situation and making it more complicated than it is. It’s fine, we all do it.

Remember when i told you the ”1 2 3 rule”, use that. Also what Diddy’s home told you. Ask her if she had any plans.

What you start analysing it and overcomplicating you start overthinking it.

Go get her man!

 

[Daddy's Home]

How do I know I’m not delusional and projecting my desires on her.

She's already given more signs than necessary (stared, touched hair and shit)

Just looking at you for several seconds and maintaining eye contact was enough for her to make you get up and walk over to her and ask her what I told you

If you're just a pussy who's not a normie, has low testosterone, and doesn't understand the most basic and simple signs, it means you don't deserve her, and she'll move on. It's that easy..

She has already been there for you. If you are not there for her, she will understand that you do not want her, or that you are too childish / too dumb / too weird for her

I've experienced this in real life, firsthand, with multiple girls, in different contexts, I'm not some YouTube guru with staged interactions

Another girl I just knew from a random context, I met her in front of the university, she came less than 1 meter in front of me, invading my personal space, with a big smile on her face, she kept staring at me, without changing her direction, and kept asking me what I was doing, how I was doing, and shit like that, things that are extremely obvious

Another similar girl simply came up to me as I was walking in one direction and took my arm, hanging on to my arm with her hand, my hand in her pocket, and looking at me as we walked in the same direction

The point is that if girls want something, they will make it extremely, extremely obvious. Some more obvious than others, but they still expect you to figure it out from the smallest things (if you can't, you're probably just a weird virgin kid in their eyes, and so you don't deserve them)

Should I collect more evidence

Ohh yeah, wait until she puts her pussy on your face, like I said..

Bro, just go to her and tell her what I told you, there's nothing weird about it. If you can't even do that, it's over before you even start..

 

[enchanted_elixir]

bro we did that in gr10

I'm doing matrix algebra

 

[enchanted_elixir]

She's already given more signs than necessary (stared, touched hair and shit)

Just looking at you for several seconds and maintaining eye contact was enough for her to make you get up and walk over to her and ask her what I told you

If you're just a pussy who's not a normie, has low testosterone, and doesn't understand the most basic and simple signs, it means you don't deserve her, and she'll move on. It's that easy..

She has already been there for you. If you are not there for her, she will understand that you do not want her, or that you are too childish / too dumb / too weird for her

I've experienced this in real life, firsthand, with multiple girls, in different contexts, I'm not some YouTube guru with staged interactions

Another girl I just knew from a random context, I met her in front of the university, she came less than 1 meter in front of me, invading my personal space, with a big smile on her face, she kept staring at me, without changing her direction, and kept asking me what I was doing, how I was doing, and shit like that, things that are extremely obvious

Another similar girl simply came up to me as I was walking in one direction and took my arm, hanging on to my arm with her hand, my hand in her pocket, and looking at me as we walked in the same direction

The point is that if girls want something, they will make it extremely, extremely obvious. Some more obvious than others, but they still expect you to figure it out from the smallest things (if you can't, you're probably just a weird virgin kid in their eyes, and so you don't deserve them)



Ohh yeah, wait until she puts her pussy on your face, like I said..

Bro, just go to her and tell her what I told you, there's nothing weird about it. If you can't even do that, it's over before you even start..

"Another girl I just knew from a random context, I met her in front of the university, she came less than 1 meter in front of me, invading my personal space, with a big smile on her face, she kept staring at me, without changing her direction, and kept asking me what I was doing, how I was doing, and shit like that, things that are extremely obvious" ---

I had an interaction long time ago that was 90% similar to this.

Does not socializing whatsoever and being isolated at college make it much harder to find a partner or am I just not attractive enough?

As a Low HTN/high MTN with shoe lifts to 5’11/6’0 I sometimes think that’s the case, but I don’t know if it’s just that I’m not attractive enough. Sometimes I feel like I see that some women I encounter give me IOIs but they don’t seem to have a rush on me or anything. Not certain. These women...

looksmax.org

that was painfully obvious, and i still doubted until she gave me an ioi asking if I wanted to be with her in the library.

The thing is though dude, I actually tried cold approaching a woman (FOR THE FIRST TIME; after studying her for 3 weeks) and I actually think I misread her signs (I thought she was interested and she wasn't, she was really nice and respectful, and i thought she liked me until she lied to me that she had to go to class to walk away from me. Either she never liked me (what i think is more likely) or she didn't like me anymore because I am literally boring and socially underdeveloped (during our second and final interaction). So, I am not OK with just trying this nonsense again, becuase I misinterpreted her behavior last time.

She could just have hair in her face often and the stares might be due to my fashion halo. Her positioning could be a coincidence, man i just don't want to humiliate myself.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

Ohh yeah, wait until she puts her pussy on your face, like I said..

Bro, just go to her and tell her what I told you, there's nothing weird about it. If you can't even do that, it's over before you even start..

it might be lol

 

[frayed]

send me a dm bro

 

[enchanted_elixir]

has low testosterone

i likely do lol.

 

[enchanted_elixir]

To be honest, you are over analysing the situation and making it more complicated than it is. It’s fine, we all do it.

Remember when i told you the ”1 2 3 rule”, use that. Also what Diddy’s home told you. Ask her if she had any plans.

What you start analysing it and overcomplicating you start overthinking it.

Go get her man!

I don't even have money for a date lol
@Daddy's Home.

I think Im too high inhib
It'll only go down unless i can invent a scenario that gives me plausible deniability to break the ice "hey i need a pencil" or "the printer doesn't work, do you know where i can find another printer" or she gives me stronger IOIs