I think humanoid robots are a waste of time

[Jason Voorhees]

Finally after years of innovation from Boston Dynamics and shit. We have a a soft robot that exactly moves like a human but I always personally taught they are waste of time. Human shaped robots are incredibly inefficient and have too many flaws that they inherit from our human form to be practical. They are a scam. Would you rather have a robot that looks like a human drive the car or a car that drives itself? I know what I'd choose.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

@imontheloose @Glorious King

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

I've always been so confused on how Engineers have been able to make billions of microscopic conductors in a single sub 50 dollar computer chip and have made such advanced CNC machinery and complicated weapons systems
Yet they haven't figured out how to make a thing that can move completely like a human out of metal.
It will never take off anyways, there will never be a supply chain or manufacturing culture for making androids like this because it's simply not in anyone's demand

 

[callard]

humanoid robots will only be useful for sex

 

[imontheloose]

@imontheloose @Glorious King

until the russy is better than a meat clam, sure

 

[Jason Voorhees]

until the russy is better than a meat clam, sure

I thought you were going to give us your high iq Oxford cel take on this because you know about things like this

 

[greycel]

They need the concept to trusted by society in the earlier stages

 

[imontheloose]

I've always been so confused on how Engineers have been able to make billions of microscopic conductors in a single sub 50 dollar computer chip and have made such advanced CNC machinery and complicated weapons systems
Yet they haven't figured out how to make a thing that can move completely like a human out of metal.
It will never take off anyways, there will never be a supply chain or manufacturing culture for making androids like this because it's simply not in anyone's demand

no demand 4 smartphones pre-2007. anyone involved in manufact understands demand gets created once the tech becomes cheap and useful enough.

u also have no idea what ur talking abt at the start clear from ur lack of eng entirely. chip domains r practically all information and signal slop. semiconductors rnt the worst anyway. once uve got the design, the process is so easy. this is a static system u can clearly tell.

robots r all sorts of controls (hell), material, safety, ai, power sys, and ull be overwhelmed with the amt of collab a team of engs would need to get a solid design. think of even making a small car, u need very complex assemblies, custom actuators, gear trains, sensors, the list goes on.

this is childish at best. we r very much capable of more than ur aware. i have saw remarkable designs from companions here and simple ignorant human intuition just wont do it...

 

[imontheloose]

I thought you were going to give us your high iq Oxford cel take on this because you know about things like this

no demand 4 smartphones pre-2007. anyone involved in manufact understands demand gets created once the tech becomes cheap and useful enough.

u also have no idea what ur talking abt at the start clear from ur lack of eng entirely. chip domains r practically all information and signal slop. semiconductors rnt the worst anyway. once uve got the design, the process is so easy. this is a static system u can clearly tell.

robots r all sorts of controls (hell), material, safety, ai, power sys, and ull be overwhelmed with the amt of collab a team of engs would need to get a solid design. think of even making a small car, u need very complex assemblies, custom actuators, gear trains, sensors, the list goes on.

this is childish at best. we r very much capable of more than ur aware. i have saw remarkable designs from companions here and simple ignorant human intuition just wont do it...

didnt see this but seems u got what u wished 4

 

[User28823]

i just need my humanoid sex doll already so women can become obsolete

 

[Jason Voorhees]

no demand 4 smartphones pre-2007. anyone involved in manufact understands demand gets created once the tech becomes cheap and useful enough.

u also have no idea what ur talking abt at the start clear from ur lack of eng entirely. chip domains r practically all information and signal slop. semiconductors rnt the worst anyway. once uve got the design, the process is so easy. this is a static system u can clearly tell.

robots r all sorts of controls (hell), material, safety, ai, power sys, and ull be overwhelmed with the amt of collab a team of engs would need to get a solid design. think of even making a small car, u need very complex assemblies, custom actuators, gear trains, sensors, the list goes on.

this is childish at best. we r very much capable of more than ur aware. i have saw remarkable designs from companions here and simple ignorant human intuition just wont do it...

I agree smartphones were a niche thing before the iPhone. Same thing happened with PCs in the 80s-90s. We're just waiting on someone to spend the way the smartphone industry spent Billions to democratize everything

 

[imontheloose]

I agree smartphones were a niche thing before the iPhone. Same thing happened with PCs in the 80s-90s. We're just waiting on someone to spend the way the smartphone industry spent Billions to democratize everything

i had thought of pcs too as an example, even the cheap drones u see now pre~2010 were rlly not in demand. now i wouldnt be surprised if "imontheloose" ingrained on some cheap drone ends up being final death kill cam.

 

[hypernormie]

Maybe a waste of time to make economically viable for the average person but you can bet your ass the most powerful of this world are salivating at the idea of having their own army of autonomous robot soldiers

We all know the push for AI is not being done for profit. None of this stuff is economically viable on its own but they are still pouring money into research like it's going out of style

 

[Jason Voorhees]

i had thought of pcs too as an example, even the cheap drones u see now pre~2010 were rlly not in demand. now i wouldnt be surprised if "imontheloose" ingrained on some cheap drone ends up being final death kill cam.

You should start a company of humanoid robots and hire me.

 

[hypernormie]

I think for this reason the human form is necessary because deploying humanoid robo police into cities is a lot less jarring than dropping in some scary spider esque robot to monitor people even if that form factor is more practical

I think the goal is to gradually introduce the dystopia and humanoid robots are the best form factor for that goal

For military use I would agree it's unnecessary and maybe even counterproductive

 

[imontheloose]

You should start a company of humanoid robots and hire me.

but brooo what if robot turn broooo might kill us broooooo

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

no demand 4 smartphones pre-2007. anyone involved in manufact understands demand gets created once the tech becomes cheap and useful enough.

It is made cheap and useful via supply chain. Someone looks at a product and says "Hey, this is actually pretty good" and invests money int he product so it can sell.
It can be a government investing money into a military startup after they make a good military device which they believe would be great for mass production.
It can be a grocery store believing a specific product would fly off the shelves in their store, and therefore want a supply chain for it.
It can be THE VERY COMPANY that created the product, such as Apple investing in their own smart phones.

Robots on the other hand, are more a gimmick, the only company that is REALLY investing in it and is actually doing anything with that investment is Tesla, and boston dynamics, and in that case, they are more in their "just figured out how to call people wirelessly" stages, not their "creating flagship touch screen smart phones" stage.
And even then, when the company that made wireless phones made wireless phones, such a thing was already in crazy demand, so it won't follow the same trajectory.
For androids to be WANTED by the people who can afford them, the current culture has to completely change, it would cost literally billions in p̶r̶o̶p̶a̶g̶a̶n̶d̶a̶ marketing to make people believe it's a good idea to buy.

u also have no idea what ur talking abt at the start clear from ur lack of eng entirely. chip domains r practically all information and signal slop. semiconductors rnt the worst anyway. once uve got the design, the process is so easy. this is a static system u can clearly tell.

idk what ur talking abt here i think you might have mistyped, if you're saying that the creation of the computer is simple and saying I have a lack of knowledge because I don't believe it was simple is completely retarded, it took literally hundreds of trillions of dollars throughout over 70 years with the effort of multiple super powers and billion/trillion dollar companies to achieve the level of computer hardware we have now, with the ability to give basically every human a computer with billions of semiconductors

robots r all sorts of controls (hell), material, safety, ai, power sys, and ull be overwhelmed with the amt of collab a team of engs would need to get a solid design. think of even making a small car, u need very complex assemblies, custom actuators, gear trains, sensors, the list goes on.

you are saying it would be insanely hard to make a humanoid robot, yes, i agree, that is the entire point of my post. it was shock that it is really this hard for humanity, and also shock that we haven't achieved it yet despite what we've achieved already

this is childish at best. we r very much capable of more than ur aware. i have saw remarkable designs from companions here and simple ignorant human intuition just wont do it...

again this is like someone in the 1600s saying he doesn't believe computers will be achieved any time soon then someone saying "well, look at what we've achieved, look at the insane mechanical engineering that has went inside of hand watches bro!

I think you have retard level reading comprehension, i am not saying that it is simply an impossible feat to make humanoid robots, i am saying it will never take off, it will never be in demand by humanity, it will only be in demand by labour companies like amazon, in where their non humanoid robots would probably outperform anyways
don't fix what's not broken

 

[owlofathena]

When are they going to be like the ones in irobot?

 

[SplashJuice]

I see hyperrealistic sexbots being a thing in the future, it doesn't seem like a bad alternative to 3D women

 

[SplashJuice]

I agree smartphones were a niche thing before the iPhone. Same thing happened with PCs in the 80s-90s. We're just waiting on someone to spend the way the smartphone industry spent Billions to democratize everything

yeh reminds me of air fryers, they've been around forever since it's literally a mini convection oven not some crazy cutting edge tech. it only took off with good marketing

 

[imontheloose]

It is made cheap and useful via supply chain. Someone looks at a product and says "Hey, this is actually pretty good" and invests money int he product so it can sell.
It can be a government investing money into a military startup after they make a good military device which they believe would be great for mass production.
It can be a grocery store believing a specific product would fly off the shelves in their store, and therefore want a supply chain for it.
It can be THE VERY COMPANY that created the product, such as Apple investing in their own smart phones.

Robots on the other hand, are more a gimmick, the only company that is REALLY investing in it and is actually doing anything with that investment is Tesla, and boston dynamics, and in that case, they are more in their "just figured out how to call people wirelessly" stages, not their "creating flagship touch screen smart phones" stage.
And even then, when the company that made wireless phones made wireless phones, such a thing was already in crazy demand, so it won't follow the same trajectory.
For androids to be WANTED by the people who can afford them, the current culture has to completely change, it would cost literally billions in p̶r̶o̶p̶a̶g̶a̶n̶d̶a̶ marketing to make people believe it's a good idea to buy.

idk what ur talking abt here i think you might have mistyped, if you're saying that the creation of the computer is simple and saying I have a lack of knowledge because I don't believe it was simple is completely retarded, it took literally hundreds of trillions of dollars throughout over 70 years with the effort of multiple super powers and billion/trillion dollar companies to achieve the level of computer hardware we have now, with the ability to give basically every human a computer with billions of semiconductors

you are saying it would be insanely hard to make a humanoid robot, yes, i agree, that is the entire point of my post. it was shock that it is really this hard for humanity, and also shock that we haven't achieved it yet despite what we've achieved already

again this is like someone in the 1600s saying he doesn't believe computers will be achieved any time soon then someone saying "well, look at what we've achieved, look at the insane mechanical engineering that has went inside of hand watches bro!
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I think you have retard level reading comprehension, i am not saying that it is simply an impossible feat to make humanoid robots, i am saying it will never take off, it will never be in demand by humanity, it will only be in demand by labour companies like amazon, in where their non humanoid robots would probably outperform anyways
don't fix what's not broken

reread what i said.

theoretically a computer isnt some mysterious electronic. our bottlenecks were process, manufac, supply, and money. we understand digi tronics very well, the hard part is scaling and needing actual process eng lol not struggling to conceive how a computer could work

we absolutely know how to build one. u dont have a massive funding pipeline or a reason 4 govs/megcorp to eat the risk the way they did with semicondtrs.

us engs dont just upgrade every now and again. we wait 4 some1 to decide its worth paying billions. the mntioning of eng collab is exactly what costs... money.

y write all of this slop? none of it challenges the eng explanation u wanted that u then got from 1.

 

[mcmentalonthemic]

we absolutely know how to build one. u dont have a massive funding pipeline or a reason 4 govs/megcorp to eat the risk the way they did with semicondtrs.

no risk, studies in 1970s/80s which correctly guessed the limitations of computers, they knew exactly what they were doing
even in the 1950s, they knew the only way was up, there was no risk or guess, they knew what they were in for, for computers

robots on other hand, could go either way, and it will probably go bad

 

[gooner23]

old people would love it tbh i see it having a future replacing something like a retirement home if an old dude wants it

 

[imontheloose]

no risk, studies in 1970s/80s which correctly guessed the limitations of computers, they knew exactly what they were doing
even in the 1950s, they knew the only way was up, there was no risk or guess, they knew what they were in for, for computers

robots on other hand, could go either way, and it will probably go bad

risks and knowing how to make one arent even remotely similar. the control and dynamics of robots rnt foreign at all, we can and do simulate full body dynamics all the time. we have gazebo n design controllers that r just fine in closed-loop. we alrdy have prototypes doing what they do and tht alone proves they r indeed figured out n feasible.

i can design u a cmos logic gate or cpu if u want. not economically viable enough 4 me to build a 2nm fab. we build prototypes precisely bc there is risk and we want to validate performance and safety.

the risk of all manufacturing is, u guessed it, largely in process eng and cost, like all. its all money.

also electronics rnt sentient, dont be so childish and have the nerve to use "probably" as if u know what on earth is going on internally. these robots r just a high dof electro mech sys with some software. we can easily design torque/current limits, mech stops, interlocks, e-locks, fault detec, software layers, remote kill this nigger switcjes, etc.

the only risk in eng is from the process eng. same class as cars, drones, weapons sys, so on

 

[HighIQ ubermensch]

It's mainly about the aesthetics of it.

 

[Glorious King]

@imontheloose @Glorious King

Humanoid robots only exist because our world is built for human proportions.
From an engineering standpoint the human shape is inefficient, unstable, and overly complex

tbh i'd double down on neuralink rather than this

 

[LXR]

Battery tech is simply not there right now to power these things for more than a streamlined task for more than an hour. Thats why Yasakawa is minting money even after Unitree and Boston Dynamics made all this