I truly don’t understand why christfags act like pain isn’t observable

[WELOVELOOKS]

The whole idea that you can’t have morals without a guideline, absolutely retarded to me. Making people feel bad, is bad, how is that complicated? Christfags act like we’re literally retarded. At this point in time, we know if what we’re doing is hurting somebody. It’s just fucking common sense. They act like we’re still in the Middle Ages and if we didn’t have god everybody would kill each other. This is the last thread I’ll make on christfags for a while but I’m very interested in this rn

If this theory is true, why aren’t atheists just fucking people up all the time. Atheists are doing just fine without god, they’re not commonly just brutally murdering and hurting people, so why act like we can’t have self control without god?

 

[Incelforeever]

Its more compliacted than just "making people feel bad is bad" which u cant even prove or make an argumant for

for example age gaps: some people think its morally wrong for lets say a 40 year old man to date a 20 year old woman, and some people dont.

Thats why if u dont believe in a higher power such as god or whatever, which gave us rules on whats right and wrong, morality is always gonna be subjective and u cant argue otherwise

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Its more compliacted than just "making people feel bad is bad" which u cant even prove or make an argumant for

for example age gaps: some people think its morally wrong for lets say a 40 year old man to date a 20 year old woman, and some people dont.

Thats why if u dont believe in a higher power such as god or whatever, which gave us rules on whats right and wrong, morality is always gonna be subjective and u cant argue otherwise

And that’s why we have laws. If it’s legal, it’s not hurting people. It is that simple. We don’t need god because we make laws and we understand what hurts people. We are sentient beings, not animals, we can make judgements. It seems like this christfag mind set is acting like we’re animals.

 

[isis_Bleach]

yea and they dont leave any room for ceashing out Nd taking anger out on others. sometimes its necessary its how god made us

 

[Incelforeever]

And that’s why we have laws. If it’s legal, it’s not hurting people. It is that simple. We don’t need god because we make laws and we understand what hurts people. We are sentient beings, not animals, we can make judgements. It seems like this christfag mind set is acting like we’re animals.

Laws change over time, different people come into power etc.

Just admit morality is subjective and were good, i can easliy say killing people is good and u could never prove it otherwise

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Laws change over time, different people come into power etc.

Just admit morality is subjective and were good, i can easliy say killing people is good and u could never prove its a bad thing

Of course there’s a degree of subjectivity to what’s morally wrong or right, but when someone is feeling pain, or hurt, that is objectively bad, there is nothing subjective about hurting somebody. Whether that be rape, or murder or whatever. We KNOW this isn’t good. All the other things, besides hurting, is subjective.

The most important thing in the world is we don’t hurt each other

 

[Incelforeever]

Of course there’s a degree of subjectivity to what’s morally wrong or right, but when someone is feeling pain, or hurt, that is objectively bad, there is nothing subjective about hurting somebody. Whether that be rape, or murder or whatever. We KNOW this isn’t good. All the other things, besides hurting, is subjective.

The most important thing in the world is we don’t hurt each other

U gotta prove it, which u cant. Just saying inflicting pain on others is bad doesnt make it bad, its just ur opinion. I can say its Good and than what? unless u believe in a higher power u cant make that argument

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

U gotta prove it, which u cant. Just saying inflicting pain on others is bad doesnt make it bad, its just ur opinion. I can say its Good and than what? unless u believe in a higher power u cant make that argument

i can prove it, it literally sets off signals in the brain when you are hurt. This is observable through science. And science is humanities savor, not fucking god. Science will, and will always be the best compass to where we should lead society. There is no proving ANYTHING aside from this (science), literally nothing. You could say an absurd amount of scientific reasoning isn’t 100% true, and you can’t say it’s objectively a fact, yet all of us widely accept it. Everything we do is based off observation, and we can widely observe something’s to the point where they become nearly objective.

 

[Incelforeever]

yet all of us widely accept it

Until u dont

In ancient greece and Rome pedophilia was normal and morally right (Now u can argue they did it because of the gods they believed in at the time while u use science but thats beyond the point)

Like i already said, good and bad: wrong and right is subjective. If u really believed in science so much u would understand that instead of making pointless arguments

 

[WELOVELOOKS]

Until u dont

In ancient greece and Rome pedophilia was normal and morally right (Now u can argue they did it because of the gods they believed in at the time while u use science but thats beyond the point)

Like i already said, good and bad: wrong and right is subjective. If u really believed in science so much u would understand that instead of making pointless arguments

We won’t just randomly revert back to accepting brutality and negative behaviors like that, don’t see ANY signs that this would happen. The farther we get into the future the more morally sound people become, whether or not that’s a good thing. Some would say too morally sound in areas where SJWs try to have any type of mental anguish and pain eradicated

But yeah, the world is consistently becoming a safer and more morally sound place.and guess what, less people become and remain Christian with time as well, yeah, it’s not a crazy amount, but the amounts aren’t rising

If that isn’t at least a bit of empirical evidence that religion isn’t remotely necessary to understand morality I’m not sure what is