If atheism is true why do elites worship satan

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If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
 
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A person who thinks all the time
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please shut the fuck up
 
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i mean idk why they worship satan because he does not grant wishes. he has no power. he can only tempt u to sin but he can’t grant wishes bruh
 
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who knows
 
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If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
Because atheism is made for the slaves. The enlightened ones don't want you to believe in the one true God who is the only one that can defeat them
 
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Because atheism is made for the slaves. The enlightened ones don't want you to believe in the one true God who is the only one that can defeat them
So what religion is true goy
 
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If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
very high iq user
 
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And why is it true
Because its the first version of Christianity. And Satan only appears in abrahamic religions. Christianity came before Islam and judaism is devil worship
 
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nigga just thinks to think
 
Because its the first version of Christianity. And Satan only appears in abrahamic religions. Christianity came before Islam and judaism is devil worship
Judaism came before Christianity so that argument doesnt make
sense
 
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Modern day Catholicism is definitely not true Christianity
Back when they used to kill adulterers, burn witches, and hang Muslims. That was real Christianity. jesus says love your enemy, but these were the ways the west was protected from our enemies.
 
If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
This.


I have pointed this out and the Gaytheists go GAYmode as usual. Leave the Gaytheists to stupid slaves

Notice how the elites attack Christianity only. More proof Christianity is the only truth
 
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Back when they used to kill adulterers, burn witches, and hang Muslims. That was real Christianity. jesus says love your enemy, but these were the ways the west was protected from our enemies.
Roman Catholics*


True Christianity wasn’t barbaric like this. Sure we would defend our land from invaders but the witch burning etc was all Roman Catholicism which only began this process once they defected from the true church and became Papal Protestants.
 
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Modern day Catholicism is definitely not true Christianity
Smart man. It isnt; Roman Catholicism is simply proto Protestantism they are called papal Protestants they share the most uncommon with one another for this reason as well. And due to their heresy now the west is falling


Eastern orthodoxy is the only true religion a shame Roman Catholics defected from us in 1054
 
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Roman Catholics*


True Christianity wasn’t barbaric like this. Sure we would defend our land from invaders but the witch burning etc was all Roman Catholicism which only began this process once they defected from the true church and became Papal Protestants.
Yeah Jesus would not have wanted to burn women as “witches”
 
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Yeah Jesus would not have wanted to burn women as “witches”
Yep Roman CATHOLIC is a Western European Frankish Germanic cult. It’s ironically the “white mans” RELGION that idiots screech when they speaking about Christianity.


True Christianity is in the East. Now Roman Catholics say they worship the same god as Muslims JFL at how ridiculous these fools are
 
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And why is it true
Ask me this question and you’ll actually get a good response and not some faith based bullshit.

Also Roman Catholicism pre and post vat 2 is false Roman Catholicism is proto Protestantism or in Islam “Bid’ah” yes BIDAH it’s medieval innovation taken form.


Eastern Orthodoxy is true unaltered Christianity we are older and the father of both RC and Protties. But I can give you a true non bullshit reason as to why God is real and why it’s Christianity and not any other gay religion
 
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Yeah Jesus would not have wanted to burn women as “witches”
The people burned at the stake were witches. And that is exactly how sorceress should be punished. It sets an example to anyone trying to do such a thing
 
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Because its the first version of Christianity. And Satan only appears in abrahamic religions. Christianity came before Islam and judaism is devil worship
Bro, saying “pre-Vatican II Catholicism is the one true religion” just because it’s the “first version of Christianity” is kinda weak. Christianity didn’t even start off unified there were tons of different groups arguing about what was “true” way before the Catholic Church even formed. It just became the most organized one, that’s it.

And the whole “Satan only appears in Abrahamic religions” thing doesn’t mean anything. Other religions have their own versions of evil or chaos you just know about Satan because that’s what you were raised around. It’s not some big “gotcha” moment.

Also, calling Judaism “devil worship” is insane. Jesus was literally Jewish. Christianity came from Judaism. If you’re gonna make bold claims, at least get ya history right nigga
 
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Bro, saying “pre-Vatican II Catholicism is the one true religion” just because it’s the “first version of Christianity” is kinda weak. Christianity didn’t even start off unified there were tons of different groups arguing about what was “true” way before the Catholic Church even formed. It just became the most organized one, that’s it.

And the whole “Satan only appears in Abrahamic religions” thing doesn’t mean anything. Other religions have their own versions of evil or chaos you just know about Satan because that’s what you were raised around. It’s not some big “gotcha” moment.

Also, calling Judaism “devil worship” is insane. Jesus was literally Jewish. Christianity came from Judaism. If you’re gonna make bold claims, at least get ya history right nigga
Jesus was galilean
 
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The people burned at the stake were witches. And that is exactly how sorceress should be punished. It sets an example to anyone trying to do such a thing
If Mary Magdalene was alive at that time, would she have been viewed with contempt and possibly burnt?
 
Ask me this question and you’ll actually get a good response and not some faith based bullshit.

Also Roman Catholicism pre and post vat 2 is false Roman Catholicism is proto Protestantism or in Islam “Bid’ah” yes BIDAH it’s medieval innovation taken form.


Eastern Orthodoxy is true unaltered Christianity we are older and the father of both RC and Protties. But I can give you a true non bullshit reason as to why God is real and why it’s Christianity and not any other gay religion
calling other religions “gay” isn’t an argument, it’s just immature and low effort. If you’ve actually got a “non-bullshit” reason why your version of God is real, cool let’s hear it
 
Jesus was galilean
Yeah, and Galilee was part of ancient Israel wich is full of Jewish people. Being Galilean doesn’t cancel out the fact that Jesus was Jewish. That’s literally not a contradiction. He followed Jewish customs, read Jewish scripture, taught in synagogues his whole background was Jewish. Saying “he was Galilean” like that somehow proves he wasn’t Jewish is just nitpicking geography to avoid the point.

Christianity came from Judaism. You don’t have to like it, but you can’t rewrite history just to make Orthodoxy sound more “pure.” That’s just cope, nigga
 
If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
It's more tradition based than actual belief based. Also drug filled they don't necessarily go to worship satan, its more palatable for broke normies than the truth: rich people like secret societies to separate themselves from poors, and there is no "cheat" for their wealth, they just made it. Follows the bp pretty closely
 
It's more tradition based than actual belief based. Also drug filled they don't necessarily go to worship satan, its more palatable for broke normies than the truth: rich people like secret societies to separate themselves from poors, and there is no "cheat" for their wealth, they just made it. Follows the bp pretty closely
There is cheats, its called highly sophisticated scams or ponzi schemes where they got rich off.

99% of rich people all did something bad to gain wealth, doesn’t matter when
 
I’m not atheist and I 100% believe in demons but the validity of something shouldn’t be based off of whether the “elites” believe in it, they’re not omniscient beings just because they’re rich kikes
 
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There is cheats, its called highly sophisticated scams or ponzi schemes where they got rich off.

99% of rich people all did something bad to gain wealth, doesn’t matter when
If doing something bad=cheating, almost everything is cheating. I mean its not like they pray to Satan to get rich. They just won the genetic lottery by being born into wealth, or being smart/strong/shrewd enough to get rich
 
I’m not atheist and I 100% believe in demons but the validity of something shouldn’t be based off of whether the “elites” believe in it, they’re not omniscient beings just because they’re rich kikes
Genuinely a higher iq take
 
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If doing something bad=cheating, almost everything is cheating. I mean its not like they pray to Satan to get rich. They just won the genetic lottery by being born into wealth, or being smart/strong/shrewd enough to get rich
Yeah i agree,

no such thing as selling your soul for wealth or clout, which these retards claim.

I do still stand by my opinion that almost all rich people got rich and got their wealth through scamming
 
Yeah, and Galilee was part of ancient Israel wich is full of Jewish people. Being Galilean doesn’t cancel out the fact that Jesus was Jewish. That’s literally not a contradiction. He followed Jewish customs, read Jewish scripture, taught in synagogues his whole background was Jewish. Saying “he was Galilean” like that somehow proves he wasn’t Jewish is just nitpicking geography to avoid the point.

Christianity came from Judaism. You don’t have to like it, but you can’t rewrite history just to make Orthodoxy sound more “pure.” That’s just cope, nigga
Even if he was jewish his own people killed him and he later makes it clear that CHRISTIANS are the new chosen people
 
It’s symbolic.
we don't know how the elite practises satanism prob much different from the satanists we know its a Mysterium
 
I’m not atheist and I 100% believe in demons but the validity of something shouldn’t be based off of whether the “elites” believe in it, they’re not omniscient beings just because they’re rich kikes
It’s just a counter to the dismissive nature of some atheisrs
 
calling other religions “gay” isn’t an argument, it’s just immature and low effort. If you’ve actually got a “non-bullshit” reason why your version of God is real, cool let’s hear it
The guy you spoke 2 used so many fallacies it’s ridiculous. Also Roman Catholicism began in 1054 before then the Catholic church was the Holy Catholic and apostolic church and its modern successor and only church that adhere completely to this church and hasn’t defected is the Eastern Orthodox Church making the Eastern Orthodox Church the oldest and ONLY church

I call other religions “gay” because they are false nothing more nothing less don’t need to read into it

Well reason 1 prophecies, the bible esp book of Isiah and Pslam 22 speak of a man to come who will be worshipped by the gentiles he will be God in flesh and if predicts how he will die in what fashion. Daniel 7 and 9 say the same thing All of this was written 700 years before Jesus and before crucifixion was a thing. This is a faith reason but this alone refutes religions like islam which claim to be in continuity.


Judaism you falsely assume is older than Christianity but rabbinic Judaism (modern Judaism) is actually younger.

The Judaism your thinking about is called 2nd temple Judaism this is what JESUS and all Jews from 400BCE-300AD followed. Christianity is infact 300-500 years older than “Judasim” and is the only true continuity of 2nd temple Judaism because we are closer to what the ancient Jews believe especially as we don’t make up nonsense like the Talmud which is medieval tradition with madness such as Serifot and the 10 emanations (einsof) of god neither of which predate the high medical ages.

The Jews corrupted their masoretic bible when they standardised it changing words from the book to deny Christ :lul: (Islam got this part right tbh).

Christianity started as one religion there weren’t other sects, it’s a historical RELGION and there’s rules on how one can be Christian.
Sure there were groups that claimed the title but they don’t have any apostolic pedigree and succession neither did those groups adhere to the teachings of the church. Jesus via the Holy Spirit left the apostles with the keys 🔑 to the church all those who follow those were known as “Bishops” those other groups you mention weren’t ever Christian to begin with they were idiots who took INSPIRATION from Christianity but weren’t Christian as we have doctrines that exclude and include one into the faith and if you don’t adhere to the entire apostolic deposit of the church founded by Christ and handed down by the apostles by the Holy Spirit then you aren’t Christian, so those groups you mentioned never were Christian.

Anyways read reason is TAG


I’m in gym so ima use AI to answer this if you don’t mind :forcedsmile: cos I’ve wasted 6 mins writing this already and I’m busy. When I’m free I’ll answer using my own self

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The guy you spoke 2 used so many fallacies it’s ridiculous. Also Roman Catholicism began in 1054 before then the Catholic church was the Holy Catholic and apostolic church and its modern successor and only church that adhere completely to this church and hasn’t defected is the Eastern Orthodox Church making the Eastern Orthodox Church the oldest and ONLY church

I call other religions “gay” because they are false nothing more nothing less don’t need to read into it

Well reason 1 prophecies, the bible esp book of Isiah and Pslam 22 speak of a man to come who will be worshipped by the gentiles he will be God in flesh and if predicts how he will die in what fashion. Daniel 7 and 9 say the same thing All of this was written 700 years before Jesus and before crucifixion was a thing. This is a faith reason but this alone refutes religions like islam which claim to be in continuity.


Judaism you falsely assume is older than Christianity but rabbinic Judaism (modern Judaism) is actually younger.

The Judaism your thinking about is called 2nd temple Judaism this is what JESUS and all Jews from 400BCE-300AD followed. Christianity is infact 300-500 years older than “Judasim” and is the only true continuity of 2nd temple Judaism because we are closer to what the ancient Jews believe especially as we don’t make up nonsense like the Talmud which is medieval tradition with madness such as Serifot and the 10 emanations (einsof) of god neither of which predate the high medical ages.

The Jews corrupted their masoretic bible when they standardised it changing words from the book to deny Christ :lul: (Islam got this part right tbh).

Christianity started as one religion there weren’t other sects, it’s a historical RELGION and there’s rules on how one can be Christian.
Sure there were groups that claimed the title but they don’t have any apostolic pedigree and succession neither did those groups adhere to the teachings of the church. Jesus via the Holy Spirit left the apostles with the keys 🔑 to the church all those who follow those were known as “Bishops” those other groups you mention weren’t ever Christian to begin with they were idiots who took INSPIRATION from Christianity but weren’t Christian as we have doctrines that exclude and include one into the faith and if you don’t adhere to the entire apostolic deposit of the church founded by Christ and handed down by the apostles by the Holy Spirit then you aren’t Christian, so those groups you mentioned never were Christian.

Anyways read reason is TAG


I’m in gym so ima use AI to answer this if you don’t mind :forcedsmile: cos I’ve wasted 6 mins writing this already and I’m busy. When I’m free I’ll answer using my own self

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Lmao bro you’re really typing whole theology essays mid set. Respect the hustle I guess. But alright, let’s unpack this a bit:

  1. "I call other religions gay because they’re false" that’s not an argument, that’s just childish. If you’re trying to make a serious point, lead with one. If not, you’re just proving you’ve got nothing but noise.
  2. "Christianity is 300 500 years older than Judaism" yeah, no. That’s just historically wrong. The Old Testament (aka Hebrew Bible) predates Christianity by centuries. What you're calling "Rabbinic Judaism" developed after the destruction of the Second Temple, yes but it's still a continuation of the Jewish tradition that Christianity came out of. Jesus himself followed Jewish law. He didn’t start Christianity his followers did after he died. That’s just historical fact.
  3. Prophecies in Isaiah, Psalms, Daniel, etc. those are vague, poetic texts that have been reinterpreted after the fact to match Jesus’ life. That’s called retrofitting, and it happens in tons of religions. People have been reading symbols into old texts forever. Also: Psalms 22 says nothing about Jesus directly. Isaiah 53, same deal it’s more likely talking about Israel as a suffering servant, not a future messiah nailed to a cross.
  4. "Christianity started as one religion" again, not true. The first few centuries of Christianity were a mess of sects: Gnostics, Marcionites, Ebionites, Arians, and more all arguing about who Jesus was and what he taught. The version that became "Orthodox" won out because of power and politics, not because it was the only version.
  5. “Those groups were never Christian” convenient way to erase history. Just say anyone who disagrees wasn’t a “real” Christian. That’s like saying nobody else can call themselves a band unless they sound like Metallica.
And finally TAG (Transcendental Argument for God)? That's just another flavor of “you need God to explain logic,” but that only works if you already assume your god exists. You’re just smuggling in your conclusion as the starting point.

Anyway, enjoy the gym, bro. Just maybe stretch your logic muscles a bit next set too.
 
If atheism is true, if the world was created by a big bang

Why do serious business men/influential people worship satan

Why do they go to bohemian grove

Why do they perform satanic rituals at concerts and at parties

Is it all just a joke?

It’s all a bit of fun, right goy?
Do u acctually think the elites have even ever shown themselves to the public u were properly brainwashed:ROFLMAO:
 
Lmao bro you’re really typing whole theology essays mid set. Respect the hustle I guess. But alright, let’s unpack this a bit:

  1. "I call other religions gay because they’re false" that’s not an argument, that’s just childish. If you’re trying to make a serious point, lead with one. If not, you’re just proving you’ve got nothing but noise.
  2. "Christianity is 300 500 years older than Judaism" yeah, no. That’s just historically wrong. The Old Testament (aka Hebrew Bible) predates Christianity by centuries. What you're calling "Rabbinic Judaism" developed after the destruction of the Second Temple, yes but it's still a continuation of the Jewish tradition that Christianity came out of. Jesus himself followed Jewish law. He didn’t start Christianity his followers did after he died. That’s just historical fact.
  3. Prophecies in Isaiah, Psalms, Daniel, etc. those are vague, poetic texts that have been reinterpreted after the fact to match Jesus’ life. That’s called retrofitting, and it happens in tons of religions. People have been reading symbols into old texts forever. Also: Psalms 22 says nothing about Jesus directly. Isaiah 53, same deal it’s more likely talking about Israel as a suffering servant, not a future messiah nailed to a cross.
  4. "Christianity started as one religion" again, not true. The first few centuries of Christianity were a mess of sects: Gnostics, Marcionites, Ebionites, Arians, and more all arguing about who Jesus was and what he taught. The version that became "Orthodox" won out because of power and politics, not because it was the only version.
  5. “Those groups were never Christian” convenient way to erase history. Just say anyone who disagrees wasn’t a “real” Christian. That’s like saying nobody else can call themselves a band unless they sound like Metallica.
And finally TAG (Transcendental Argument for God)? That's just another flavor of “you need God to explain logic,” but that only works if you already assume your god exists. You’re just smuggling in your conclusion as the starting point.

Anyway, enjoy the gym, bro. Just maybe stretch your logic muscles a bit next set too.
I did it cos your a Kurd and I like Kurds tbh good people very high IQ many leave Islam which proves their higher than avg IQ like other Iranic peoples. I’m about to shake you why your historically ignorant so ima give you a lesson in logic which is funny as your an atheist you can’t even give me an account for logic lol the irony

1 i call Othe religions gay because they are false. It’s an insult it’s not suppose to be an argument for my position it’s me saying what I think of other religions in one word.

2: ok once again I don’t think you get what I’m saying. So lemme explain the timeline. You have 2nd temple Judaism (what ancient Jews post 500-400 AD followed many within this scope followed diadic and even trinitarianesque formulas for example Phillips Alexandria a rabbi who mentions 2 divine persons in god. Judaism as YOU THINK OF IT is RABBINICAL JUDAISM which is BORN as a response to Christianity and comes out form 2nd temple Judaism. Do you know what else came out from 2nd temple Judaism… CHRISTIANITY :lul:.

What am I saying here? I’m saying that today we have 2 “Jewish Judaism” religions Christianity and RABBINIC Judaism. Both are BORN OUT OF 2ND TEMPLE JUDAISM I THINK YOU FORGET THE FIRST CHRISTIANS WERE ALLL JEWS :hnghn::hnghn::hnghn::hnghn: AND THAT CHRISTIANITY IS BASED ON THE OLD TESTAMENT AND THAT WE STILL FOLLOW THAT BOOK.

Jesus began Christianity and fulfilled the prophecies foretold as it says in Zachariah the coming of the messiah will bring about a new coveneant one unlike any other before it, that covenant is the New Testament aka Christianity which is in line with ancient Jewish tradition. The apostles simply followed Jesus’s teachings nothing more nothing less THATS AN HISTORICAL FACT, Jesus says himself the New Testament only comes into light ONCE HE GOES BACK TO THE FATHER so ofc when Jesus was alive the mosaic covenant was still valid but once he died as JESUS HIMSELF SAID the new covenant come into motion.


Psalm 22 is about Jesus who else was pierced who else had lots counted for his garments who else was a “ransom for our sins” even pre 1st century Jewish rabbis like Jonathan Targum and Rabbi Ruth view Pslam 22 and Isiah 53 for example as messianic it’s only after Christ came Jews started coping and saying it isn’t about Jesus but about David or Isreal which makes no sense because Isiah 53 SAYS HE NEVER SINNED OR HURT ANYBODY and we all know the Jews all throughout Isiah speaks about the Jews sinning and being assholes if you want Bible verses I’ll send them but this is simply your ignorance and you regurgitating nonsensical rabbinic bullshit from idiot Jews who had to make up BS to cope. I mean there’s so many messianic passages the boom of wisdom 2 and 7, Pslam 2 proverbs 8 etc I can go on point is Jews are COPING HARD that’s why they don’t read the bible but their Talmud because the bible hurts them as they know they have done wrong


Once again don’t be a retard plz :lul::lul::lul: Christianity is a religion with clear cut parameters has always been. The neonates docetists, nazarines and others ARE NOTHING MORE THAN HERETICS, Gnostics are more like Manachians they go so off the board they are their own unique thing tbh.


Anyways point im making is that we have Apostollic succession the same way Muslims have isnad chains. The bishops they pass on the tradition handed down from Christ and the apostles unto the church I can show you 1st century church fathers and LITERAL DISCIPLES OFF THE APOSTLES SUCH AS POLYCARP AND ST IGNATUS SAYING WHAT IM SAYING :lul::lul::lul: Christianity has never been this massive Protestant style free for all with various interpretations, we have had one faith since its inception and many people unfortunately defected from Christianity and created their own nonsense like Gnosticism or tried to graft themselves to it like the Ebianites which were 1st century Jews who tried to wrestle with the prophecy in Zachariah 13 and Daniel 2 about the messiah coming before the 3rd temple being destroyed :lul: so they became quasi Christian’s but still followed The mosaic law (judiasers they get mocked by our church fathers like St John Chrystostom) and they denied Christs divinity but said we can ALL BECOME Christs :lul::lul::lul::lul:

As I said Christianity always had clear cut rules and stipulations to be one of us, nothing like your stating you can read 1st century church fathers and the deciples of the apostles and what they say on the matter to educate yourself


And no this isn’t a “no true Scotsman” you failed miserably here buddy because im
Speaking about the parameters to be considered part of an ideology which made it clear from its inception there are strict guidelines and beliefs one must hold to to be part of the RELGION and ANY DEVIATION FROM THAT KICKS YOU FROM THE FAITH, your stupid attempt to graft groups that were always considered outside of Christianity by our ancient church fathers and apostles is an vain Attempt to devalue and mislead people about history or your simply historically ignorant on the topic in which case BE HUMBLE and I’ll teach you and show you the sources if you must to educate yourself on it.
 
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Lmao bro you’re really typing whole theology essays mid set. Respect the hustle I guess. But alright, let’s unpack this a bit:

  1. "I call other religions gay because they’re false" that’s not an argument, that’s just childish. If you’re trying to make a serious point, lead with one. If not, you’re just proving you’ve got nothing but noise.
  2. "Christianity is 300 500 years older than Judaism" yeah, no. That’s just historically wrong. The Old Testament (aka Hebrew Bible) predates Christianity by centuries. What you're calling "Rabbinic Judaism" developed after the destruction of the Second Temple, yes but it's still a continuation of the Jewish tradition that Christianity came out of. Jesus himself followed Jewish law. He didn’t start Christianity his followers did after he died. That’s just historical fact.
  3. Prophecies in Isaiah, Psalms, Daniel, etc. those are vague, poetic texts that have been reinterpreted after the fact to match Jesus’ life. That’s called retrofitting, and it happens in tons of religions. People have been reading symbols into old texts forever. Also: Psalms 22 says nothing about Jesus directly. Isaiah 53, same deal it’s more likely talking about Israel as a suffering servant, not a future messiah nailed to a cross.
  4. "Christianity started as one religion" again, not true. The first few centuries of Christianity were a mess of sects: Gnostics, Marcionites, Ebionites, Arians, and more all arguing about who Jesus was and what he taught. The version that became "Orthodox" won out because of power and politics, not because it was the only version.
  5. “Those groups were never Christian” convenient way to erase history. Just say anyone who disagrees wasn’t a “real” Christian. That’s like saying nobody else can call themselves a band unless they sound like Metallica.
And finally TAG (Transcendental Argument for God)? That's just another flavor of “you need God to explain logic,” but that only works if you already assume your god exists. You’re just smuggling in your conclusion as the starting point.

Anyway, enjoy the gym, bro. Just maybe stretch your logic muscles a bit next set too.
Jews sacrifice little kids nigga. Is that not enough to show why theyre evil?
 
Because atheism is not the truth. God is real, the devil is real, but they’re too attached to their desires in this finite world
 

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