If FOIDs Didn't Like You As A Teenager They Will Never Like You

[shandingo]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

 

[Vvvvv2]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

Money is the last hope for subhumans

 

[StyIix]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

Everything is cope except genetics

 

[shandingo]

Money is the last hope for subhumans

Yes for P4P and betabuxx not any genuine desire.

Everything is cope except genetics

We aren't the authors or directors of our life , but merely the reader and spectator.

 

[magneso]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

Bad take

 

[nitrocell]

good genes as teen ≠ attractive as teen

 

[Surfsup]

Title is stupid but I get what ur saying

 

[shandingo]

Bad take

At least elaborate on your criticism lmao

good genes as teen ≠ attractive as teen

Good genes by the means of sexual selection , not per say the objective best genes in a population. For example , a ugly kid could have a very high IQ , he has good genes for intelligence but this does nothing for his attractiveness.

 

[magneso]

At least elaborate on your criticism lmao

Good genes by the means of sexual selection , not per say the objective best genes in a population. For example , a ugly kid could have a very high IQ , he has good genes for intelligence but this does nothing for his attractiveness.

Cause you can get surgery + a well paid job

 

[shandingo]

Cause you can get surgery + a well paid job

Surgery will never ascend you past 7+. A Double jaw , Hair Transplant and rhinoplasty may turn you from a sub-5 to a normie , this is life changing , but it will never get you Chad treatment. Not to mention the risks and costs.

A well paid job means jack shit for attraction if you don't pass the looks threshold.

 

[magneso]

Surgery will never ascend you past 7+. A Double jaw , Hair Transplant and rhinoplasty may turn you from a sub-5 to a normie , this is life changing , but it will never get you Chad treatment. Not to mention the risks and costs.

A well paid job means jack shit for attraction if you don't pass the looks threshold.

Still you dont need to be chad to be liked by foids

 

[nitrocell]

Good genes by the means of sexual selection , not per say the objective best genes in a population. For example , a ugly kid could have a very high IQ , he has good genes for intelligence but this does nothing for his attractiveness.

only applies if fully lean and healthy appearance, otherwise i agree

 

[shandingo]

Still you dont need to be chad to be liked by foids

Yes true but only 0.0001% of sub-5s can actually afford the surgeries they need , have the balls to go through with it and also get quality work that maintains facial harmony and with only minor or no complications. So I am saying my OP statement applies in 99.999% of cases.

only applies if fully lean and healthy appearance, otherwise i agree

No , obviously if you are obese you are automatically a sub-5 but if you average bf around 20-25% and you get no female attention then you are cooked. Sub-5s end up looking worse when lean because the bones aren't there. For all normies who actually had FOID interest as teens, then of course getting lean for them is the biggest looksmax.

 

[LooksOrDeath]

no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls ,

literally happens all the time

 

[LooksOrDeath]

some valid points but all in all unnecessarily pessmistic thread

no shit it wont be possible for most average guys to become chads, doesnt mean you shouldnt try

 

[nitrocell]

No , obviously if you are obese you are automatically a sub-5 but if you average bf around 20-25% and you get no female attention then you are cooked. Sub-5s end up looking worse when lean because the bones aren't there. For all normies who actually had FOID interest as teens, then of course getting lean for them is the biggest looksmax.

i think genes dont matter if your obese, and people who get attention from women likely dont have much leanmaxing to do, if any at all

 

[soulless_npc]

I think personally if you didn't have sex as a teenager or even early 20s these days it turns you foremost into a mentalcel. Those early experiences are the template for what the rest of your life is going to look like and indicate whether there is potential or not.

I do believe all people can change and become better than they were, but I don't think you can expect miracles if you are late stage KHHV and especially if certain patterns have become engrained. The bitterness due to "missing out" is too strong and repulsive to women, who due to their positioning in life cannot possibly understand the male problem of not being able to have sex. It is such a low quality problem that men who have it are disqualified from any real social fraternization, and their opinions mean nothing.

 

[shandingo]

some valid points but all in all unnecessarily pessmistic thread

no shit it wont be possible for most average guys to become chads, doesnt mean you shouldnt try

Shoot for the moon and you may reach the stars ahhh post. Reality and the truth is the best , accept it and move on not dwell and complain , I am not promoting people to dwell and complain on shit they can't change that is not their fault nor am I going to sell them unrealistic expectations, I would argue the latter is worse.

I think personally if you didn't have sex as a teenager or even early 20s these days it turns you foremost into a mentalcel. Those early experiences are the template for what the rest of your life is going to look like and indicate whether there is potential or not.

I do believe all people can change and become better than they were, but I don't think you can expect miracles if you are late stage KHHV and especially if certain patterns have become engrained. The bitterness due to "missing out" is too strong and repulsive to women, who due to their positioning in life cannot possibly understand the male problem of not being able to have sex. It is such a low quality problem that men who have it are disqualified from any real social fraternization, and their opinions mean nothing.

Damn nice point. I think a lot of porn , video games , studymaxxing and parental pressure resulted in me not making use of the girls who did show interest during my teenage years, albeit they were not very attractive. But , I very much regret this in hindsight.

I wonder if you think this applies to me due to being a virgin even though plenty of LTBs have been interested throughout my past. I was never super insecure about SMV . I am mainly unhappy about hypergamy , the women available to choose from and the poor treatment from FOIDs.

 

[soulless_npc]

Shoot for the moon and you may reach the stars ahhh post. Reality and the truth is the best , accept it and move on not dwell and complain , I am not promoting people to dwell and complain on shit they can't change that is not their fault nor am I going to sell them unrealistic expectations, I would argue the latter is worse.


Damn nice point. I think a lot of porn , video games , studymaxxing and parental pressure resulted in me not making use of the girls who did show interest during my teenage years, albeit they were not very attractive. But , I very much regret this in hindsight.

I wonder if you think this applies to me due to being a virgin even though plenty of LTBs have been interested throughout my past. I was never super insecure about SMV . I am mainly unhappy about hypergamy , the women available to choose from and the poor treatment from FOIDs.

Yeah, I never had an abundance of opportunities either, but I had some, there were a couple girls who chilled me with and I made out with, there were probably a few others who if I'd actually made a move I could have got with. I didn't lose my virginity until 22, and I didn't have sex again after that, after realizing every girl is different and while I might have lost my v to a MTB, getting with someone hotter is entirely different and this was back in 2016-2020 so it's even more inflated now.

So it was my own expectations too, having sex 1 time changed nothing. I got blackpilled after realizing that even after having "done it", it just never came as naturally to me as other guys, and learning about the reasons why. There has to be a science behind it. I consider myself very much a late bloomer though, even though people say that's cope, I was underdeveloped for my age and low dimo for a long time for whatever reason.

 

[Blaaki]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

it that case i should just rope, before that i can atleast try roidmaxxing and hgh

 

[CookieGuy]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

I got girls before 2 dated. 3 interested in me. Yet I am ugly as fuck have the worst health indicators like fucking ever. And am only 5”11 3/4 barefoot

I wish this thread was true lmao

 

[CookieGuy]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

Also you can’t even properly see your bone structure for some people unless you are at 8% bodyfat

 

[shandingo]

Yeah, I never had an abundance of opportunities either, but I had some, there were a couple girls who chilled me with and I made out with, there were probably a few others who if I'd actually made a move I could have got with. I didn't lose my virginity until 22, and I didn't have sex again after that, after realizing every girl is different and while I might have lost my v to a MTB, getting with someone hotter is entirely different and this was back in 2016-2020 so it's even more inflated now.

So it was my own expectations too, having sex 1 time changed nothing. I got blackpilled after realizing that even after having "done it", it just never came as naturally to me as other guys, and learning about the reasons why. There has to be a science behind it. I consider myself very much a late bloomer though, even though people say that's cope, I was underdeveloped for my age and low dimo for a long time for whatever reason.

Yes absolutely the natural vs the guy who had to work for it is brutal. Nothing pisses me off more than the fact I have to gymmaxx , careermaxx , moneymaxx and looksmaxx at the same time to get the same SMV as a low iq MTN 5 ft 7 white dude who works in Mcdonalds.

it that case i should just rope, before that i can atleast try roidmaxxing and hgh

No you just need realistic expectations. Perhaps that arryan blonde stacy with a 20 inch waist isn't gonna like you but perhaps a LTB might.

I got girls before 2 dated. 3 interested in me. Yet I am ugly as fuck have the worst health indicators like fucking ever. And am only 5”11 3/4 barefoot

I wish this thread was true lmao

You got girls before and now you don't ?

 

[CookieGuy]

Yes absolutely the natural vs the guy who had to work for it is brutal. Nothing pisses me off more than the fact I have to gymmaxx , careermaxx , moneymaxx and looksmaxx at the same time to get the same SMV as a low iq MTN 5 ft 7 white dude who works in Mcdonalds.

No you just need realistic expectations. Perhaps that arryan blonde stacy with a 20 inch waist isn't gonna like you but perhaps a LTB might.

You got girls before and now you don't ?

I got girls before now I don’t. Yes.

I also completely cover my face with hair

Doubt that has to do with it tho

 

[shandingo]

I got girls before now I don’t. Yes.

I also completely cover my face with hair

Doubt that has to do with it tho

Interesting . You must have let yourself go lookswise. Also hypergamy isn't as big pre university so its very common to have at least some experience running jbf theory in high school unless you are sub-3.

 

[valentine]

Money is the last cope

 

[CookieGuy]

Interesting . You must have let yourself go lookswise. Also hypergamy isn't as big pre university so its very common to have at least some experience running jbf theory in high school unless you are sub-3.

I’m prolly just ugly like highkey

 

[Doesitmatter?]

Water

 

[Blaaki]

Yes absolutely the natural vs the guy who had to work for it is brutal. Nothing pisses me off more than the fact I have to gymmaxx , careermaxx , moneymaxx and looksmaxx at the same time to get the same SMV as a low iq MTN 5 ft 7 white dude who works in Mcdonalds.

No you just need realistic expectations. Perhaps that arryan blonde stacy with a 20 inch waist isn't gonna like you but perhaps a LTB might.

You got girls before and now you don't ?

i think i have mtn base

 

[stonecold trucel]

fuhhhh

 

[LooksOrDeath]

Shoot for the moon and you may reach the stars ahhh post. Reality and the truth is the best , accept it and move on not dwell and complain , I am not promoting people to dwell and complain on shit they can't change that is not their fault nor am I going to sell them unrealistic expectations, I would argue the latter is worse.

You say that yet I have seen plenty of cases where people got attractive in their 20s or 30s

this is just a generalized asf statement

 

[kisslessvirgin]

Water

 

[shandingo]

You say that yet I have seen plenty of cases where people got attractive in their 20s or 30s

this is just a generalized asf statement

You say this as you have seen lots of tiktok transformations of fat guys turn to chads, there is a reason they go viral its because they are rare exceptions. This gives the illusion it is common as you keep seeing it but in reality this is very rare.

 

[Whiteboard7]

Unpopular opinion on a forum called looksmax.org but in the majority of cases there is a massive gap between what people believe will happen after you "ascend" and your life now . You see guys like Clav , Zeta and Austin Wayne live like kings after "looksmaxxing" and now you think the same fate shall fall upon you.

All those guys have one thing in common. They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure. All clav did was grow his hair out , get lean , and hop on accutane. He was always getting bitches before his ascension , admitting himself. In fact all his reatarded bone smashing and test aged him and stunted his growth not mention his bloodstream is walking pharmacy , they were all a looksmin lmao and he will feel the consequence when he is older.



All these "lookmaxxers" were born chads.

Genes are king. There is no amount of uncanny facial harmony ruining surgery that is going to ascend you to chad.

Your genetic base is so important. If no girls were interested you at 20% bf and you think just because you leanmax to 10% you will finally get girls , you are in for a fucking surprise.

I am not saying you shouldn't looksmax but be realistic. You can't change your race , height or bone structure. Yet these are the most important traits of ones attractiveness. Remember , the concept in evolutionary biology known as mate choice or sexual selection, where individuals (driven by their genetic makeup) choose partners to maximize the reproductive success and survival of their offspring.

Correct brother!

 

[NoExit]

They had a good genetic base. They were all tall , white and had good bone structure.

this forum will never understand this. they dont understand what the fuck base means and they keep suggesting surgery to people with 0 potential.

 

[Outlander]

Yep, if you didn't get genuine love and attention as a teen it's delusional to think it's going to get better with age