if god can exiest without a creator than so can the universe

[mayo mogger]

jfl

 

[EvangelicalRapist]

I understand that the point of this argument is to point out the flaw of creationism, or rather the "hypocrisy" in it, but they would just answer that a metaphysical entity (God) isn't the same as "physical" (in the scientific way of understanding it) Universe.

In any case, why waste your time trying to disprove something you don't believe, having 0 chances of changing anyone's mind who does believe in God?
Do internet points really excite you that much? Think about your life and find your own meaning.

 

[wollet2]

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[thenewhebbe]

The current scientfic understanding of the universe is tjat it isn't infininty old

 

[mayo mogger]

I understand that the point of this argument is to point out the flaw of creationism, or rather the "hypocrisy" in it, but they would just answer that a metaphysical entity (God) isn't the same as "physical" (in the scientific way of understanding it) Universe.

In any case, why waste your time trying to disprove something you don't believe, having 0 chances of changing anyone's mind who does believe in God?
Do internet points really excite you that much? Think about your life and find your own meaning.

im schizophrenic trying to vent the voices in my head , too much religious questioning has rotted my brain

after wasting a week i come to the same - i dont know and i dont think we are supposed to know

 

[mayo mogger]

The current scientfic understanding of the universe is tjat it isn't infininty old

current and maybe this one extends to infinity who knows

 

[thenewhebbe]

current and maybe this one extends to infinity who knows

No evidence

 

[mayo mogger]

No evidence

again who knows

 

[RICHCELDOM]

the idea of creating is a human idea or the idea of the start of something or initiation of something is also a human idea.

some things are not comprehendible by us such as 4 dimensions.

 

[Daddy's Home]

Hundreds of gods existed in the collective mind of a particular civilization and disappeared in history with the passage of time and social and cultural changes..

Today we are only talking about certain gods that are specific to certain cultures and populations from the present or the not-too-distant past, populations with religions which are larger in number and more popular, but these gods are relative, like all the others before them, and at some point they will disappear, and others will follow them..

So it's kind of pointless to talk about them..

 

[Bomber517]

Maybe some bitch killed herself and boom happened

 

[ey88]

It’s weird to think about, if that was the case then the universe would be infinite, and everything would’ve already happened, literally everything you can think about has happened at some point in time

 

[DavidLard]

Lmao no. Time can’t be infinite, that’s something every philosopher and mathematician and anyone with common sense knows. If time were infinite, than at the beginning it would take an infinite time to get to now, so it would never happen. That’s why in math you use open-bracket notation when addressing infinity, because infinity can never actually be reached, because it exists outside of the logic our universe abides by. The only way for our universe to be created is by something that exists outside the logic of our universe which therefore could have existed for an infinite period of time.

 

[wollet2]

the idea of creating is a human idea or the idea of the start of something or initiation of something is also a human idea.

some things are not comprehendible by us such as 4 dimensions.

the idea of creating is a human idea or the idea of the start of something or initiation of something is also a human idea.

some things are not comprehendible by us such as 4 dimensions.

comprehending the 4th or any dimension is a human idea

 

[Gaygymmaxx]

jfl

All is mind. Low iq to debate these semantics and try to localize God to a individual with a beard and a coat

 

[mayo mogger]

Lmao no. Time can’t be infinite, that’s something every philosopher and mathematician and anyone with common sense knows. If time were infinite, than at the beginning it would take an infinite time to get to now, so it would never happen. That’s why in math you use open-bracket notation when addressing infinity, because infinity can never actually be reached, because it exists outside of the logic our universe abides by. The only way for our universe to be created is by something that exists outside the logic of our universe which therefore could have existed for an infinite period of time.

yeah thats why eternal consciouness in hell or heaven makes even less sense

 

[longjohnmong]

The current scientfic understanding of the universe is tjat it isn't infininty old

so?

 

[Patrick Star]

yep

 

[noodlelover]

I understand that the point of this argument is to point out the flaw of creationism, or rather the "hypocrisy" in it, but they would just answer that a metaphysical entity (God) isn't the same as "physical" (in the scientific way of understanding it) Universe.

In any case, why waste your time trying to disprove something you don't believe, having 0 chances of changing anyone's mind who does believe in God?
Do internet points really excite you that much? Think about your life and find your own meaning.

It's interesting to poke and prod to see what holds togeather a creatonists belief structure.

It is also possible to change intelligent people's minds. I use to be Christian before coming across logical sound arguments for not believing in a god.

It’s weird to think about, if that was the case then the universe would be infinite, and everything would’ve already happened, literally everything you can think about has happened at some point in time

Only the visible universe is expanding.

The universe is probably infinite like you say, with everything happening and has happened and will happen, with all possible laws of physics.

 

[noodlelover]

Lmao no. Time can’t be infinite, that’s something every philosopher and mathematician and anyone with common sense knows. If time were infinite, than at the beginning

If it's infinite then it has no beginning.

it would take an infinite time to get to now, so it would never happen. That’s why in math you use open-bracket notation when addressing infinity, because infinity can never actually be reached, because it exists outside of the logic our universe abides by.

infinite is possible.

Saying that the universe is an arbitrary finite set of space, or matter, in an arbitrary configuration is arguable even more unfathmable.

The only way for our universe to be created is by something that exists outside the logic of our universe which therefore could have existed for an infinite period of time.

We have no evidence that anything is created or destroyed.

Creation is a human oversimplification to better make sense of our world. But the reality is, all we've ever seen is change.

We also don't know if we are moving through time or if it is static but we have the illusion of moving through it.

We do know that it likely branches infinitely every time a particle in waveform collides with anything. This is from the correct interpretation of the double slit experiment, which many mistakenly attribute to proving "consciousness effects reality" which it does not.

 

[DavidLard]

yeah thats why eternal consciouness in hell or heaven makes even less sense

i agree partially, it depends if consciousness can leave the logical bounds of this universe or not. And i’m not religious btw, I just like reading philosophy books.