If you’re still in puberty please stop coping with these things

[Veridic]

Most of the 14-15 year olds on here are starting to get on peoples nerves when they freak out about surgery AT A STAGE WHERE YOU’RE NOT EVEN DONE DEVELOPING YET.

Not only is your soft tissue still changing in terms of distribution, and craniofacial sutures highly likely to not be fused, but your cortical bone will continue remodeling for the rest of your life. Realistically outside of ortho appliances and MAYBE a small igf1 boost in those who lack it, you’re not developing past your genetic expression ceiling.

Wait until you’re finished with puberty, then begin assessing what procedures could benefit you facially, steroids, and other cosmetics like tanning/collagen peptides etc.

Stop coping with growth hormone peptides if you’re not deficient, you will not surpass your limits passed on to you by your parents. The most you can do is follow the correct pubertal health protocols and hope for the best. Anyone who has good genetics and eats like shit, sleeps like it, and overall leading unhealthy lifestyles will almost always develop better than you regardless. Save your money and time by looking into things that have been proven to work.

 

[Veridic]

Rant thread about why all these copemaxxes won’t change the outcome to any non negligible degree

 

[UMIRINBRAH?]

Not a molecule

 

[ForestRotter]

 

[Veridic]

Not a molecule

Cope

 

[mohito]

 

[Veridic]

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You know I’m right.

 

[sub5_poopcel]

Genetics doesnt mean your face will look exactly one way when you’re done with puberty. Thats stupid because someone with good genetics but sleeps like shit barely get any growth hormone released during sleep and because? Because they slept like shit. I get that genetics play a big part in how you will look but good genetics wont save you if you had horrible habits. Also another thing. The “you’re not developing past genetic expression ceiling” is true but in the same way isnt. You cant exceed your genetic max but most people never reach it due to bad sleep, goyslop, and chronic stress.

 

[Maxillular]

Bros trying to eliminate the competition

 

[Maxillular]

Fucking idiot acting like roids or gh dont work for people in the midst of development

 

[Veridic]

Genetics doesnt mean your face will look exactly one way when you’re done with puberty. Thats stupid because someone with good genetics but sleeps like shit barely get any growth hormone released during sleep and because? Because they slept like shit. I get that genetics play a big part in how you will look but good genetics wont save you if you had horrible habits. Also another thing. The “you’re not developing past genetic expression ceiling” is true but in the same way isnt. You cant exceed your genetic max but most people never reach it due to bad sleep, goyslop, and chronic stress.

I appreciate you taking your time to write a coherent message, but I did mention “genetic expression” being the only factor that can be affected followed by my advice to adhere to the typical pubertal health maxxes that people should utilize, instead of wasting time and money on things that won’t make a non negligible difference.

I’ll assume you simply misunderstood something I worded oddly, considering I was a bit frustrated writing that post.

 

[Veridic]

Fucking idiot acting like roids or gh dont work for people in the midst of development

Your body requires a specific threshold of GH to do what it does during puberty, going over the threshold makes no major difference outside of free floating igf-1 being converted from gh

 

[Maxillular]

Your body requires a specific threshold of GH to do what it does during puberty, going over the threshold makes no major difference outside of free floating igf-1 being converted from gh

Somatostatin cannot block hgh when it is artificially injected into the body, it can only block hgh when its inside the pituitary gland

 

[Veridic]

Somatostatin cannot block hgh when it is artificially injected into the body, it can only block hgh when its inside the pituitary gland

And? My point stands even with somatostatin being out of the way

Biological limits are not being surpassed

 

[Maxillular]

And? My point stands even with somatostatin being out of the way

Biological limits are not being surpassed

Arbitrary biological limits that don't exist

is there a biology or physics law that says people cant grow past their parents height?

Height is genetics - yeah, genetics influences HOW MUCH hgh is released through your body throughout your life and your sensitivity to it.

once this is artificially manipulated, genetics have less of a say.

its ridiculous and retarded to claim "everyone is hard-capped at a specific amount of millimeters bro"

Show me any evidence of studies that prove hgh dont work, you cant, meanwhile the opposite is actually true, countless studies prove hgh is one of the few legit things for growth literally.

 

[Veridic]

Arbitrary biological limits that don't exist

is there a biology or physics law that says people cant grow past their parents height?

Height is genetics - yeah, genetics influences HOW MUCH hgh is released through your body throughout your life and your sensitivity to it.

once this is artificially manipulated, genetics have less of a say.

its ridiculous and retarded to claim "everyone is hard-capped at a specific amount of millimeters bro"

Show me any evidence of studies that prove hgh dont work, you cant, meanwhile the opposite is actually true, countless studies prove hgh is one of the few legit things for growth literally.

There is no reason to bypass a limit that has been stimulated to the natural ceiling which is required for growth, my entire point revolves around this and there is no reason to waste money on extra igf-1 when it doesn’t increase any stimulation unless deficient. Any healthy teen is already hitting the necessary growth hormone threshold that adding expgenous amounts to will not contribute to anymore height.

Also did you really think reframing my argument by asking for a study on something I never even claimed, and sounds so ridiculous it shouldn’t even have been mistaken for as such?

 

[Maxillular]

There is no reason to bypass a limit that has been stimulated to the natural ceiling which is required for growth, my entire point revolves around this and there is no reason to waste money on extra igf-1 when it doesn’t increase any stimulation unless deficient. Any healthy teen is already hitting the necessary growth hormone threshold that adding expgenous amounts to will not contribute to anymore height.

Again thats just something you made up in your head.

 

[Itsnotover77]

Most of the 14-15 year olds on here are starting to get on peoples nerves when they freak out about surgery AT A STAGE WHERE YOU’RE NOT EVEN DONE DEVELOPING YET.

Not only is your soft tissue still changing in terms of distribution, and craniofacial sutures highly likely to not be fused, but your cortical bone will continue remodeling for the rest of your life. Realistically outside of ortho appliances and MAYBE a small igf1 boost in those who lack it, you’re not developing past your genetic expression ceiling.

Wait until you’re finished with puberty, then begin assessing what procedures could benefit you facially, steroids, and other cosmetics like tanning/collagen peptides etc.

Stop coping with growth hormone peptides if you’re not deficient, you will not surpass your limits passed on to you by your parents. The most you can do is follow the correct pubertal health protocols and hope for the best. Anyone who has good genetics and eats like shit, sleeps like it, and overall leading unhealthy lifestyles will almost always develop better than you regardless. Save your money and time by looking into things that have been proven to work.

Why would hgh not work to mane someone taller?

 

[Veridic]

Again thats just something you made up in your head.

I doubt you’ve even read an endocrinology textbook, let alone meta analyses on idiopathic stature which shows that treatment in short children without deficiencies has minimal effect on adult height. Minimal being slightly below threshold bringing them up to baseline for proper development.

Anyone who’s actually learned about pediatric gh treatment knows this.

 

[Veridic]

Why would hgh not work to mane someone taller?

The point I made about exogenous hgh usage is that unless you are deficient in growth hormone, you will not see any major impact on height that your body naturally wouldn’t have produced in the opposite scenario.

 

[Itsnotover77]

The point I made about exogenous hgh usage is that unless you are deficient in growth hormone, you will not see any major impact on height that your body naturally wouldn’t have produced in the opposite scenario.

So more hgh, if a man is not deficient in it, will not help a man to get taller?

 

[Veridic]

So more hgh, if a man is not deficient in it, will not help a man to get taller?

It's very unlikely, especially considering your body also has a genetic limit it can grow to which differs for each person. I don't see a reason to use something that won't give you an increase in something that your body can naturally do, if you're not deficient.

I do appreciate hgh for it's other health and anti aging properties however.

 

[Itsnotover77]

It's very unlikely, especially considering your body also has a genetic limit it can grow to which differs for each person. I don't see a reason to use something that won't give you an increase in something that your body can naturally do, if you're not deficient.

I do appreciate hgh for it's other health and anti aging properties however.

thanks, my fitness coach also told me something like this; he meant, that hgh wouldn’t make people, who have normal hgh production, taller.

It just helps kids, which have problems producing hgh, to dave a couple of cantimeters.

 

[Veridic]

thanks, my fitness coach also told me something like this; he meant, that hgh wouldn’t make people, who have normal hgh production, taller.

It just helps kids, which have problems producing hgh, to dave a couple of cantimeters.

Well, you should either get your levels checked just to make sure.

 

[Hotline_Seagull]

dnr w post

 

[Veridic]

dnr w post

Name 5 hollis unreleased

 

[Hotline_Seagull]

Name 5 hollis unreleased

vanished
all of the lights
dont go away
I try
cross

dnr again

 

[ccwb]

Arbitrary biological limits that don't exist

is there a biology or physics law that says people cant grow past their parents height?

Height is genetics - yeah, genetics influences HOW MUCH hgh is released through your body throughout your life and your sensitivity to it.

once this is artificially manipulated, genetics have less of a say.

its ridiculous and retarded to claim "everyone is hard-capped at a specific amount of millimeters bro"

Show me any evidence of studies that prove hgh dont work, you cant, meanwhile the opposite is actually true, countless studies prove hgh is one of the few legit things for growth literally.

It has a big say nigga
Omg I’m crashing out
Taking hgh at 12 start of puberty will not make u 6ft6 with 5ft5 both parents

 

[Veridic]

vanished
all of the lights
dont go away
I try
cross

dnr again

cage

 

[Hotline_Seagull]

cage

 

[Veridic]

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Mogged

 

[Hotline_Seagull]

a

Mogged
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name the pants he wore at this concert

 

[Veridic]

a

name the pants he wore at this concert

I have shit vision leave me alone

 

[Hotline_Seagull]

I have shit vision leave me alone

fraud you're eyes deceive you, replace them with robotic one's NOW

 

[Zagro]

Most of the 14-15 year olds on here are starting to get on peoples nerves when they freak out about surgery AT A STAGE WHERE YOU’RE NOT EVEN DONE DEVELOPING YET.

Not only is your soft tissue still changing in terms of distribution, and craniofacial sutures highly likely to not be fused, but your cortical bone will continue remodeling for the rest of your life. Realistically outside of ortho appliances and MAYBE a small igf1 boost in those who lack it, you’re not developing past your genetic expression ceiling.

Wait until you’re finished with puberty, then begin assessing what procedures could benefit you facially, steroids, and other cosmetics like tanning/collagen peptides etc.

Stop coping with growth hormone peptides if you’re not deficient, you will not surpass your limits passed on to you by your parents. The most you can do is follow the correct pubertal health protocols and hope for the best. Anyone who has good genetics and eats like shit, sleeps like it, and overall leading unhealthy lifestyles will almost always develop better than you regardless. Save your money and time by looking into things that have been proven to work.

Woow retard

 

[Veridic]

Woow retard

That says a lot more about you when you can’t even come up with a rebuttal of your own

 

[Zagro]

That says a lot more about you when you can’t even come up with a rebuttal of your own

No I’m just tired of niggas like you claiming random shit and it’s always “gh is cope bro “

You recommended them to max out their puberty naturally, guess what happens if you “maximise” your testosterone levels naturally

Your estrogen levels also increase and you rape your growth

 

[Veridic]

No I’m just tired of niggas like you claiming random shit and it’s always “gh is cope bro “

You recommended them to max out their puberty naturally, guess what happens if you “maximise” your testosterone levels naturally

Your estrogen levels also increase and you rape your growth

What does that have anything to do with my post? Obviously you’ll aromatize to some extent but how is that any worse than wasting money on hgh if you’re not deficient or using exogenous testosterone as a teenager?

 

[Zagro]

What does that have anything to do with my post?

??????

“Stop coping with growth hormone peptides if you’re not deficient, you will not surpass your limits passed on to you by your parents. The most you can do is follow the correct pubertal health protocols and hope for the best. Anyone who has good genetics and eats like shit, sleeps like it, and overall leading unhealthy lifestyles will almost always develop better than you regardless. Save your money and time by looking into things that have been proven to work.”

 

[Veridic]

??????

“Stop coping with growth hormone peptides if you’re not deficient, you will not surpass your limits passed on to you by your parents. The most you can do is follow the correct pubertal health protocols and hope for the best. Anyone who has good genetics and eats like shit, sleeps like it, and overall leading unhealthy lifestyles will almost always develop better than you regardless. Save your money and time by looking into things that have been proven to work.”

And where am I wrong? I was also referring to your aromatization statement.

 

[Zagro]

What does that have anything to do with my post? Obviously you’ll aromatize to some extent but how is that any worse than wasting money on hgh if you’re not deficient or using exogenous testosterone as a teenager?

“You’ll aromatise to some extent” that extent is increasing your serum E2 by 5-10pg and every single increase causes irreversible damage

The thing is that you have ZERO idea on how they work, rhGH works and testosterone works your fucking physiologically high testosterone levels wont change shit

 

[Zagro]

And where am I wrong? I was also referring to your aromatization statement.

Everywhere? Are you retarded? Did you read what i said? You also didn’t back anything up?

 

[Veridic]

“You’ll aromatise to some extent” that extent is increasing your serum E2 by 5-10pg and every single increase causes irreversible damage

The thing is that you have ZERO idea on how they work, rhGH works and testosterone works your fucking physiologically high testosterone levels wont change shit

Literally what is your point? Hgh is cope within non deficient teenagers and your minuscule e2 spikes argument is heavily overblown.

 

[Zagro]

Literally what is your point? Hgh is cope within non deficient teenagers and your minuscule e2 spikes argument is heavily overblown.

What the fuck is this counter-argument nigga

“umm your wrong hgh doesn’t work and i don’t think your e2 will spike that much so you’re wrong”

Show evidence you fuckinnggggg retard

 

[Veridic]

What the fuck is this counter-argument nigga

“umm your wrong hgh doesn’t work and i don’t think your e2 will spike that much so you’re wrong”

Show evidence you fuckinnggggg retard

First of all you look stupid spazzing out in my comments. We have ISS meta analyses which I’m very sure you’re aware of, and nobody is arguing that you won’t aromatize with naturally high test. But to act like it’s irreversible damage and not normal physiology is just retarded, show me proof of the “5-10pg” claim because I wasn’t able to find any evidence on that.

 

[Zagro]

First of all you look stupid spazzing out in my comments. We have ISS meta analyses which I’m very sure you’re aware of, and nobody is arguing that you won’t aromatize with naturally high test. But to act like it’s irreversible damage and not normal physiology is just retarded, show me proof of the “5-10pg” claim because I wasn’t able to find any evidence on that.

Yes you pasted it in GPT and it said that the “5-10pg” claim is false right, cause that’s the only possible fault here as it cant be estimated depends on how far you can increase your test naturally and how sensitive you’re to aromatisation

It is irreversible damage retard estrogen programs cells to senescence or in other words sets the date/time for when they stop

 

[Veridic]

Yes you pasted it in GPT and it said that the “5-10pg” claim is false right, cause that’s the only possible fault here as it cant be estimated depends on how far you can increase your test naturally and how sensitive you’re to aromatisation

It is irreversible damage retard estrogen programs cells to senescence or in other words sets the date/time for when they stop

Whether or not I used ai is none of your concern even if that was the case. You’re actively acknowledging that the claim was made up and there is no way to “estimate” as per your own wording.

You yourself are acknowledging that this is regular physiology by saying that natural test levels aromatize and increase plate fusion activity without realizing it. You said a whole bunch of nothing wrapped in intellectual terminology, gg.

 

[Zagro]

Whether or not I used ai is none of your concern even if that was the case. You’re actively acknowledging that the claim was made up and there is no way to “estimate” as per your own wording.

Yeah there’s no way of exactly estimating it but there is an average retard ???

It can be 5-30pg increase, and you’ll never know and that 5pg is enough to decrease height

It’s obvious that you’ve used AI and of course it isn’t my concern but it’s sad for the retards that will genuinely believe you

You yourself are acknowledging that this is regular physiology by saying that natural test levels aromatize and increase plate fusion activity without realizing it. You said a whole bunch of nothing wrapped in intellectual terminology, gg.

What?

Wow, testosterone aromatises? Thank you bro no one knew this i was gatekeeping

What are you genuinely saying here?

 

[Veridic]

Yeah there’s no way of exactly estimating it but there is an average retard ???

It can be 5-30pg increase, and you’ll never know and that 5pg is enough to decrease height

It’s obvious that you’ve used AI and of course it isn’t my concern but it’s sad for the retards that will genuinely believe you


What?

Wow, testosterone aromatises? Thank you bro no one knew this i was gatekeeping

What are you genuinely saying here?

You’re the one who brought up the irreversible damage aspects from tiny e2 spikes prior to shifting goalposts to your AI blaming and a larger disparity of 5-30pg. 5pg is not enough to cause a considerable enough dent in height growth, but you’ve pretty much dug yourself into a hole you can’t pivot out of anymore. Gg.

 

[Zagro]

You’re the one who brought up the irreversible damage aspects from tiny e2 spikes prior to shifting goalposts to your AI blaming and a larger disparity of 5-30pg. 5pg is not enough to cause a considerable enough dent in height growth, but you’ve pretty much dug yourself into a hole you can’t pivot out of anymore. Gg.

“Gg” son

Tiny e2 spikes? According to what? They are also not spikes retard it’s your continuous serum E2 which raises, you don’t “spike” E2 through increased aromatisation, if you have subhuman genetics it can increase 30pg. Do you know that we have like 15-20pg naturally, a 5pg increase is like 1/4th or 1/3th of what you already have so it is significant nigga what

Shifting goalposts???

You literally committed to using AI by saying “me using AI isn’t your concern”

The damage is irreversible do you think you’re the same as those aromatase deficient cucks? You cant reverse the damage, otherwise we could all grow 10cm with aromatase inhibitors