IIW > IPD for mouth width (theory)

[monecel]

I have been thinking about the idea that the mouth width should match the IPD (Interpupillary distance), and it seems wrong.

I believe the best mouth width is one close to or just above the IIW (Inter-iris width), as it seems better for facial aesthetics.

IIW Demonstrated above in red.

A reason for this is that the ideal width of the mouth compared to the nose should be around 1.618x, and to have this but also match IPD, you would most likely need a nose alar base width bigger than the ICD (Inner canthal distance), which would not be ideal. The mouth is mostly compared to the nose anyways compared to the eyes, and in my opinion the mouth-to-nose ratio nearly always matters more than eye alignment.

Also, a downside of a smile that matches the IPD is that when you smile, it will be greater than the IPD. This can give a kind of look that makes you look like "the smiler". An example:

The smile should be the width of the IPD, or only slightly above to look optimal. Otherwise, you get too much teeth show, and it can look too wide.

If you look at most models, is is very rare to have a mouth width that is the same as the IPD, and I think the information in this post explains why.

@NZb6Air

 

[NZb6Air]

is one close to or just above the IIW (Inter-iris width)

no that's just lower end of ideal range

A reason for this is that the ideal width of the mouth compared to the nose should be around 1.618x,

a reason for this -> gives the retarded org ratio as a basis as if it was strong enough to be an argument

0 logic

The mouth is mostly compared to the nose anyways compared to the eyes, and in my opinion the mouth-to-nose ratio nearly always matters more than eye alignment.

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kind of look that makes you look like "the smiler".

???

If you look at most models, is is very rare to have a mouth width that is the same as the IPD, and I think the information in this post explains why.

literally not true, i can go rn on pinterest and all the best looking faces will have it matched with IPD and when it doesn't, u can tell it's narrow


U didn't put much thought in this at all lol

 

[monecel]

no that's just lower end of ideal range


a reason for this -> gives the retarded org ratio as a basis as if it was strong enough to be an argument

0 logic


said nothing


???

literally not true, i can go rn on pinterest and all the best looking faces will have it matched with IPD and when it doesn't, u can tell it's narrow


U didn't put much thought in this at all lol

I said 1.618 because of funny golden ratio number but in my measurements of models, the ratio normally was within 1.35-1.8x, averaging to about 1.6.

Do you seriously think the right examples looks better?

 

[NZb6Air]

I said 1.618 because of funny golden ratio number but in my measurements of models, the ratio normally was within 1.35-1.8x, averaging to about 1.6.

Do you seriously think the right examples looks better?

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the morph is fucking shit but yes it would look better if the morph was good, also the angle is wrong

 

[monecel]

the morph is fucking shit but yes it would look better if the morph was good, also the angle is wrong

You are wrong here. His alar base width is slightly wider than ICD, if it was reduced, then the nose-mouth ratio would be closer to 1.6 (1.35 for chico). It would give the appearance of wider lips. Pack it up bozo, your looksmaxxing days are over .

Jordan barrett (using normie models lol but good examples) has a greater mouth-to-nose width ratio of around 1.8x, meaning he has the appearance of a wider mouth, but his matches IIW as well:

Can you share some examples of models with mouth widthes of IPD?

 

[NZb6Air]

You are wrong here. His alar base width is slightly wider than ICD, if it was reduced, then the nose-mouth ratio would be closer to 1.6 (1.35 for chico). It would give the appearance of wider lips. Pack it up bozo, your looksmaxxing days are over .

Jordan barrett (using normie models lol but good examples) has a greater mouth-to-nose width ratio of around 1.8x, meaning he has the appearance of a wider mouth, but his matches IIW as well:

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Can you share some examples of models with mouth widthes of IPD?

? literally most of them nigga (random sample)

your looksmaxxing days are over .

what

 

[monecel]

? literally most of them nigga (random sample)
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what

There is literally a gap between the line and the lips in the example

 

[NZb6Air]

There is literally a gap between the line and the lips in the example


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what? ur lines are pointing outwards, they're not parallel to other lines on the pic, that's why I also used squares and it's at the end of commissures, doesn't have to be vermilion

 

[monecel]

what? ur lines are pointing outwards, they're not parallel to other lines on the pic, that's why I also used squares and it's at the end of commissures, doesn't have to be vermilion

I literally measured to the commissures in my image and measured perfectly straight, your image shows a 5mm gap to the commissures on each side

 

[sub5pslathlete]

no that's just lower end of ideal range


a reason for this -> gives the retarded org ratio as a basis as if it was strong enough to be an argument

0 logic


said nothing


???

literally not true, i can go rn on pinterest and all the best looking faces will have it matched with IPD and when it doesn't, u can tell it's narrow


U didn't put much thought in this at all lol

How can I get a wider mouth/ lips

 

[monecel]

How can I get a wider mouth/ lips

Consistent use of a widening device or commissuroplasty

 

[NZb6Air]

How can I get a wider mouth/ lips

commissuroplasty

 

[NZb6Air]

Consistent use of a widening device

are u brain damaged or something

 

[sub5pslathlete]

commissuroplasty

Is this a better option for me now I’m 20 and probably done developing

 

[monecel]

Is this a better option for me now I’m 20 and probably done developing

send pic

 

[sub5pslathlete]

send pic

 

[NZb6Air]

Is this a better option for me now I’m 20 and probably done developing

do the trimax implants and shit first and then do soft tissue work like commissuroplasty

 

[sub5pslathlete]

do the trimax implants and shit first and then do soft tissue work like commissuroplasty

I wasn’t planning on getting a trimax tbf but yeah aight got it thanks
I knew those mouth widening devices were pure cope