"Inclusivist" white supremacists are so intent on "defending" the dubious (at best) "white" status of Greeks and (Southern) Italians.

[TheStonerOne]

By THEIR OWN LOGIC, they need to include Ashkenazi Jews who are VERY genetically close to said Greeks and ESPECIALLY Southern Italians.

If "Middle Eastern" ancestry is SO "divergent" from "European" ancestry (which it just is NOT) makes one so "non-white" (bearing in mind the genes for light skin COME FROM THE MIDDLE EAST) then logic dictates one apply the same standards to Greeks and Southern Italians if not Italians as a whole. All Greek and Italian subpopulations (except for the Sardinians) have substantial Middle Eastern ancestry. Why wouldn't they? Genetics are CLINAL. THEY'RE FUCKING CLINAL. WHERE IS GREECE? WHERE IS SOUTHERN ITALY? WHY WOULDN'T THEY HAVE MIDDLE EASTERN ANCESTRY? I guess y'all don't know what "clinal" means. Wait, you claim to know basic genetics and don't know what clines are?

Fucking morons.

Also, stop with the conspiracy theories. Jews never harmed you. They don't control the media. They're not responsible for large scale migration. That's YOUR fault. YOU refused to have children. YOU control the media narrative that reduces the Palestinians to subhumans. YOUR ancestors are responsible for slavery, genocide and the Holocaust (which is documented by various sources so it's "not a hoax"). YOUR ideology is responsible for Israel. The only Jewish "punching bag" you have is Israel. Which is a punching bag against YOUR ideology.

Also YOUR ancestors oppressed Greeks and Italians.

Also, Greeks and Southern Italians have average skin tones (as well as strong genetic affinities) akin to fucking Armenians (who you'd never consider "white"). Stop fucking kidding yourself. Your precious Southern Italians and Greeks are by and large BROWN.

 

[IraniancelV2]

Retard

 

[looksmaxxed]

some genes carry traits that manifest more prominently in the environment. i believe jewish genes do this. to an extent nigger genes do this too. white genes seem to be extremely recessive.

 

[mogtivism]

White supremacy is retarded because in those autistic spheres “white” has so many different definitions with some retards arguing that only Northern Europe is white, while others arguing that everything up to and including northern africa is white. Then you have the “indo-aryan saar” crowd who wants to argue northern indians are white, and then you have the Tails shills who got bullied by a slav at the age of 12 so now they argue that all of europe except eastern europe is white.

Infact, a LOT of white supremacists online are not even white! A ton of those “save the west” accounts are based in India and a lot of their commenters are from Mexico or the Philippines!

Don’t get yourself involved with these retarded ass crowds.

 

[wishIwasSalludon]

Racial categories aren’t based on genes. They’re based on phenotype.

Southern Europeans are considered white cause they look white.

 

[looksmaxxed]

Racial categories aren’t based on genes. They’re based on phenotype.

Southern Europeans are considered white cause they look white.

genes contribute to the look

and genes are what matter ultimately. a lot of "white" people aren't white, they're a mix of different browns, blacks, and jews. you see this a lot in "melting pot" economic zones, and you can tell from their behavior. the trump shooter and the kirk shooter for example, and a lot of the trannies you can tell there's jewish ancestry in them. possibly amerindian, perhaps even a few generations of blacks.

the more unbroken lines of european descent you have, the more you will behave and look like a white person.

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

Greeks get a white pass for inventing philosophy, mongoloid

 

[looksmaxxed]

Greeks get a white pass for inventing philosophy, mongoloid

ancient greeks yes, i'm not sure modern greeks, what with hundreds of years of invasions and eventual conquest by turks, would count as white

 

[Saint Casanova]

ancient greeks yes, i'm not sure modern greeks, what with hundreds of years of invasions and eventual conquest by turks, would count as white

All med countries are extremely mixed since as you said, they’re melting pots.

Some look very light like this, others are dark as shit.

Most Meds look like Ronaldo or Torres ( tall ones in the middle). Darker ones look like Xavi (left)

 

[TheStonerOne]

Racial categories aren’t based on genes. They’re based on phenotype.

Southern Europeans are considered white cause they look white.

Then by that "logic" Ashkenazim and Sephardim, who are largely (if not predominantly) Southern European are "white" too.

Also, most Southern Europeans have the darkest form of "light skin". The correct term is INTERMEDIATE. That is different from the "pale" complexions ubiquitous in Northern Europeans. They do not look like Northern Europeans at all. Not even the "whitest" Greek looks ANYTHING like an Englishman.

Western Eurasians as a WHOLE significantly overlap in terms of craniofacial features (with their own nuances). Are ALL Western Eurasians "white"? You'd have to argue that Yemenis from Hadramaut are "white" if we're using "phenotypes" (which is a misused term and implies genes BTW) as an argument.

This is what special pleading fallacies get you.

 

[TheStonerOne]

ancient greeks yes, i'm not sure modern greeks, what with hundreds of years of invasions and eventual conquest by turks, would count as white

Ancient Greeks were MORE Middle Eastern than modern Greeks.

"We estimated FST of Bronze Age populations with present-day West Eurasians, finding that Mycenaeans are least differentiated from populations from Greece, Cyprus, Albania, and Italy, part of a general pattern in which Bronze Age populations broadly resemble present-day inhabitants from the same region. Modern Greeks occupy the intermediate space of the PCA along PC1 between ancient European and Near Eastern populations, like the ones of the Bronze Age. They are not, however, identical to Bronze Age populations, as they are above them along PC2. This is due to the fact that Neolithic farmers share fewer alleles with Modern Greeks than with Mycenaeans, consistent with additional later admixture."

This is how Greeks from 350-325BCE looked.

This is how Ancient Minoans looked like. Circa 1650BCE

The admixture that largely affected the Balkans weren't from Turks. If they WERE, we should see more Central Asian ancestry in Greeks and others and we don't. They were from Slavic populations.

"A 2023 archaeogenetic study published in Cell, based on 146 samples, confirmed that the spread of Slavic language and identity was because of large movements of people, both males and females, with specific Eastern European ancestry and that "more than half of the ancestry of most peoples in the Balkans today comes from the Slavic migrations, with around a third Slavic ancestry even in countries like Greece where no Slavic languages are spoken today". The early medieval Slavic admixture was calculated to be 66.5±2.7% in Croats, 58.4±2.1% in Serbs, 55.4±2.4% in Romanians, 51.2±2.2% in Bulgarians, 31±5.3% in Albanians, 29.9-40.2% in Peloponnese and Macedonia Greeks, 17.9-19.7% in Cretan and Cyclades Greeks, and 3.5±2.2% in Dodecanese Greeks."

If ANYTHING, MODERN Greeks were shifted towards Northern/Eastern Europe. There were earlier shifts, but the most major shifts were from 6th century as opposed to other periods.

 

[looksmaxxed]

artistic license. same as how the underclass likes to depict our elites as brown and want to claim shakespeare was black, etc

 

[TheStonerOne]

artistic license. same as how the underclass likes to depict our elites as brown and want to claim shakespeare was black, etc

That's not a good analogy since these were drawings of ACTUAL Greek soldiers and people and we have evidence that dark skin wasn't rare in Greeks alongside intermediate skin being the average. Pale skin was less common Greeks than dark skin.

Shakespeare OBVIOUSLY wasn't black. That contradicts the evidence. Greeks being intermediate in skin tone is not only in line with the region they come from, but it's evidence based and makes sense for a population genetically intermediate between Europe and the Middle East. Why would such a population be full of pale skinned people?

Cause they weren't.

Also, if you're Northern European, particularly a Balt, you're MORE distant to the Ancient Greeks than both ancient AND modern Levantines, Southern Caucasians and Mesopotamians.