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NOTE - THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. YOU WILL NEED QUITE A FEW TOOLS TO GET STARTED FIRST, NAMELY A COMPUTER AND KNOWLEDGE OF PYTHON SCRIPTS AND HOW TO USE PANDAS. A USER CALLED JASON VOORHEES HAS MADE A RUDIMENTARY GUIDE SO FOLLOW THAT FIRST. TRADING ALSO CARRIES HEAVY RISK SO ONLY DO IT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE HUGE CAPITAL AND HAVE THE MONEY TO LOSE. THE SIMPLE WAY IS TO INVEST

I'll Get Straight To The Point. No Jokes. No memes. Only serious strategies for those who have the capital and the risk appetite
TLDR - Some trading strategies used by hedge funds to accumulate small returns. For special cases. I am reading a book right now, hence the post

1. Gap and Go Strategy (Intraday only)

Overview - This strategy is for stocks that gap up due to news or earnings and continue trending during the market hours.

How to identify - a. It is up 3-10% from previous day's close.
(close means when the stock stopped trading)
b. High pre-market volume (shown in your trading app. The trading volume should be compared against other companies in the sector and also the average trading volume)
c. Stocks with low float fit this criteria more often than not
d. Enter the stock when it breaks it's "5-minute high" (very imp)

When to exit - a. Partially when it hits resistance levels. In simpler words exit partially when the stock is struggling to rise more
b. Fully exit before closing, remember this is intraday only.


Backtest -a. Win rate = 55-65%
b. Avg gain = 2-4%
c. Avg loss = 1.5-2%
d. Best day to enter = Monday and Tuesday (because news and volume peak here)

Risks - You may invest into a bull trap.This means that the stock will boom in pre market but reverse sharply. High volatility for intraday trading and slipping of the stock. This strategy is relatively simple so it can result in overcrowded trades resulting in algos and market makers fading. This means the stock never moves higher than pre- market high and the money movers take a position against the trend to result in a high risk high reward trade.


2. Short Term Swing (RSI-2 Mean Reversion Strategy)

Overview- RSI indicate the speed and momentum of stocks on a 0-100 scale. A stock having an RSI less than 2 will more than likely bounce back very heavily. For context an RSI below 30 means a stock is oversold and an RSI above 70 means a stock is overbought. An RSI of less than 2 is means the stock is likely to go on an upwards momentum.

How to identify - a. Stock has a moving average of above 200 days. It means that it is on an upward momentum with each crest and trough higher than the previous if the moving average is high.
b. RSI is less than 2
c. Optional - Stock closed below previous day's low.


When to enter - Buy at next day's open. Basically buy when the stock opens the day after you identify it.

When to exit - Exit when RSI is above 60. This means that the stock is tending towards being overbought. Alternatively, sell after 3-5 days.

Backtest (S&P100) - a. Win rate = 70%
b. Avg gain = 0.5-1% per trade
c. Avg loss = Data not obtained

Risk - Relying on mean reversion indicators means you will likely mistime your buys. This is because oversold or overbought stocks stay that way for a long time sometimes. Also minor fluctuations can generate false sell signals. Another problem is that indicators lag behind news and thus do not capture irrational behaviour accurately. Finally it has a low risk to return ratio and "past behavior does not predict future results" holds true for this strategy.

3. Post Earnings Drift (Short Term to Medium Term Swing)

Overview - Buy a stock when company beats earnings prediction and goes higher

How to identify - a. Beats Earnings per Share and revenue
b. The stock has a strong price reaction on high volume trades. Basically means that the stock is fluctuating signicficantly due to high market interest. We want it to have an upward movement obviously.
c. Optionally buy on volume spikes.

When to enter - A few days after earnings are beat on a small dip.

When to exit - After 5-10 days or after stock is near resistance levels (meaning explained above)

Backtest - a. Win rate = 65%
b. Avg return = 3-4%
c. Best sector to do it in = Tech (Blue Chip)

Risks - Market can have a delayed reaction so be aware of fake breakouts in price. Post earnings trading is full of rumors and analysis so volatility is very high, leading to stoplosses being triggered due to insane fluctuations. Your interpretations of the earnings report can be different from the market so be very thorough. Overcrowded setups can happen which can lead the algos to fade the move i.e. trade against the trend in a high risk high reward strategy.

4. Turnaround Tuesday

Overview - Exploit sharp reversals after Monday selloffs. Hence the name Tuesday. Mostly oversold stocks fit this.

How to identify - a. Only if stock/index is down more than 2%
b. When it enters oversold territory basically RSI below 30 or 20.

When to enter - Buy on Tuesday open.

When to close - Sell on Tuesday close or when the price recovers by 1-2%


Backtest - a. Win rate = 65%
b. Avg return = 0.5-1.2%
c. More reliable in bull markets

Risks - Just because Monday was weak does not mean Tuesday will bounce back. So reversal might not happen. Unexpected news can mean that you end up on the wrong side of trade. Rally coming on low volume are false moves and should not be meddled with. Can lead to fakeouts and choppy action, meaning volatile behavior.


5. 52-Week High Breakout Strategy

Overview - Rests on the logic that stocks that keep making highs will continue doing so because of institutional interest and trend.

How to identify - a. Price at or above 52 - Week high.
b. High relative volume. Means that a stock is being traded more than the average times it is traded.
c. Good fundamentals

When to enter - When it breaks out above 52-week high and with volume confirmed.

When to exit - Defined on gain. For example exit at 8-10% gain. Or you can trail stop based on ATR. Basically you stop a few price points away from the volatile fluctuation range. More info can be found on the Internet

Backtest - a. Win rate = 60%
b. Avg 1 month return - 2.5-3.2%


Risks - False breakouts aka fakeouts. If it reverses hard kiss your money goodbye. The stock can become overbought before it breaks out above it's 52-week high. Always check technical indicators before making a move. The support for this trading strategy is non existent since the stock is already rallying hard and it also does not have clear resistance levels so you are groping in the dark basically. Quite possibly the riskiest strategy.


If you want more please let me know.








 
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@BigBiceps @Tylermax @Jason Voorhees thoughts ?
 
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NOTE - THIS IS FOR THOSE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THIS SERIOUSLY. YOU WILL QUITE A FEW TOOLS TO GET STARTED FIRST, NAMELY A COMPUTER AND KNOWLEDGE OF PYTHON SCRIPTS AND HOW TO USE PANDAS. A USER CALLED JASON VOORHEES HAS MADE A RUDIMENTARY GUIDE SO FOLLOW THAT FIRST. TRADING ALSO CARRIES HEAVY RISK SO ONLY DO IT IF YOU ARE WILLING TO TRADE HUGE CAPITAL AND HAVE THE MONEY TO LOSE. THE SIMPLE WAY IS TO INVEST

I'll Get Straight To The Point. No Jokes. No memes. Only serious strategies for those who have the capital and the risk appetite
TLDR - Some trading strategies used by hedge funds to accumulate small returns. For special cases. I am reading a book right now, hence the post

1. Gap and Go Strategy (Intraday only)

Overview - This strategy is for stocks that gap up due to news or earnings and continue trending during the market hours.

How to identify - a. It is up 3-10% from previous day's close.
(close means when the stock stopped trading)
b. High pre-market volume (shown in your trading app. The trading volume should be compared against other companies in the sector and also the average trading volume)
c. Stocks with low float fit this criteria more often than not
d. Enter the stock when it breaks it's "5-minute high" (very imp)

When to exit - a. Partially when it hits resistance levels. In simpler words exit partially when the stock is struggling to rise more
b. Fully exit before closing, remember this is intraday only.


Backtest -a. Win rate = 55-65%
b. Avg gain = 2-4%
c. Avg loss = 1.5-2%
d. Best day to enter = Monday and Tuesday (because news and volume peak here)

Risks - You may invest into a bull trap.This means that you the stock will boom in pre market but reverse sharply. High volatility for intraday trading and slipping of the stock. This strategy is relatively simple so it can result in overcrowded trades resulting in algos and market makers fading. This means the stock never moves higher than pre- market high and the money movers take a position against the trend to result in a high risk high reward trade.


2. Short Term Swing (RSI-2 Mean Reversion Strategy)

Overview- RSI indicate the speed and momentum of stocks on a 0-100 scale. A stock having an RSI less than 2 will more than likely bounce back very heavily. For context an RSI below 30 means a stock is oversold and an RSI above 70 means a stock is overbought. An RSI of less than 2 is means the stock is likely to go on an upwards momentum.

How to identify - a. Stock has a moving average of above 200 days. It means that it is on an upward momentum with each crest and trough higher than the previous if the moving average is high.
b. RSI is less than 2
c. Optional - Stock closed below previous day's low.


When to enter - Buy at next day's open. Basically buy when the stock opens the day after you identify it.

When to exit - Exit when RSI is above 60. This means that the stock is tending towards being overbought. Alternatively, sell after 3-5 days.

Backtest (S&P100) - a. Win rate = 70%
b. Avg gain = 0.5-1% per trade
c. Avg loss = Data not obtained

Risk - Relying on mean reversion indicators means you will likely mistime your buys. This is because oversold or overbought stocks stay that way for a long time sometimes. Also minor fluctuations can generate false sell signals. Another problem is that indicators lag behind news and thus do not capture irrational behaviour accurately. Finally it has a low risk to return ratio and "past behavior does not predict future results" holds true for this strategy.

3. Post Earnings Drift (Short Term to Medium Term Swing)

Overview - Buy a stock when company beats earnings prediction and goes higher

How to identify - a. Beats Earnings per Share and revenue
b. The stock has a strong price reaction on high volume trades. Basically means that the stock is fluctuating signicficantly due to high market interest. We want it to have an upward movement obviously.
c. Optionally buy on volume spikes.

When to enter - A few days after earnings are beat on a small dip.

When to exit - After 5-10 days or after stock is near resistance levels (meaning explained above)

Backtest - a. Win rate = 65%
b. Avg return = 3-4%
c. Best sector to do it in = Tech (Blue Chip)

Risks - Market can have a delayed reaction so be aware of fake breakouts in price. Post earnings trading is full of rumors and analysis so volatility is very high, leading to stoplosses being triggered due to insane fluctuations. Your interpretations of the earnings report can be different from the market so be very thorough. Overcrowded setups can happen which can lead the algos to fade the move i.e. trade against the trend in a high risk high reward strategy.

4. Turnaround Tuesday

Overview - Exploit sharp reversals after Monday selloffs. Hence the name Tuesday. Mostly oversold stocks fit this.

How to identify - a. Only if stock/index is down more than 2%
b. When it enters oversold territory basically RSI below 30 or 20.

When to enter - Buy on Tuesday open.

When to close - Sell on Tuesday close or when the price recovers by 1-2%


Backtest - a. Win rate = 65%
b. Avg return = 0.5-1.2%
c. More reliable in bull markets

Risks - Just because Monday was weak does not mean Tuesday will bounce back. So reversal might not happen. Unexpected news can mean that you end up on the wrong side of trade. Rally coming on low volume are false moves and should not be meddled with. Can lead to fakeouts and choppy action, meaning volatile behavior.


5. 52-Week High Breakout Strategy

Overview - Rests on the logic that stocks that keep making highs will continue doing so because of institutional interest and trend.

How to identify - a. Price at or above 52 - Week high.
b. High relative volume. Means that a stock is being traded more than the average times it is traded.
c. Good fundamentals

When to enter - When it breaks out above 52-week high and with volume confirmed.

When to exit - Defined on gain. For example exit at 8-10% gain. Or you can trail stop based on ATR. Basically you stop a few price points away from the volatile fluctuation range. More info can be found on the Internet

Backtest - a. Win rate = 60%
b. Avg 1 month return - 2.5-3.2%


Risks - False breakouts aka fakeouts. If it reverses hard kiss your money goodbye. The stock can become overbought before it breaks out above it's 52-week high. Always check technical indicators before making a move. The support for this trading strategy is non existent since the stock is already rallying hard and it also does not have clear resistance levels so you are groping in the dark basically. Quite possibly the riskiest strategy.


If you want more please let me know.








very good i read but all
 
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Good thread but JFL at thinking people here are knowledgable enough to understand
I hopee you liked it I am happy if even one person understood it. I dont want to water it down for those who will be forced to read my ramblinga
 
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very good i read but all
If you dont understand the terms just google it. This is how I wrote it partially because even I didnt know some things
 
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Good post. Wouldn't trade in near future tho, one Trump tweet can decimate your portfolio especially if you're options trading.
 
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Good post. Wouldn't trade in near future tho, one Trump tweet can decimate your portfolio especially if you're options trading.
I would say dont touch trading until you get a good idea of not only markets but also Python. And even if you have that one bad day is enough to ruin all the good days. Basic principle, if you incur a loss of 50% you will need a 100% profit to break even. So dont touch trading until you are richie rich
 
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futures, apex tradovate, and tradingview
 
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nuh uh just use indicators and find a good strategy, easy thousands
Sure bro, people are stupid to lose their money in irrational activity
 
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Amazing thread. Now that I'm leaving I wish I keep seeing useful good looking and nice lads educating the normies here about financial stuff and what actually matters. Cuz only profits and power matters and lms. No women, no stupid pleasures and entertainment. Love y'all
 
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I would say dont touch trading until you get a good idea of not only markets but also Python. And even if you have that one bad day is enough to ruin all the good days. Basic principle, if you incur a loss of 50% you will need a 100% profit to break even. So dont touch trading until you are richie rich
Yeah, that's reasonable. Trading is rich mans fun, investing is for us poors.
 
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Amazing thread. Now that I'm leaving I wish I keep seeing useful good looking and nice lads educating the normies here about financial stuff and what actually matters. Cuz only profits and power matters and lms. No women, no stupid pleasures and entertainment. Love y'all
If you actually get something good out of it then that is amazing, gut remeber trading is very very risky
 
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Yeah, that's reasonable. Trading is rich mans fun, investing is for us poors.
Nowadays even investing is risky given how markets fall due to stupid ecnomic decisions by leaders. And this year is special, because if the USA tanks ripples will definitely follow
 
ye but it works if u have good discipline
As I said, one bad day is enough to wipe out your entire portfolio. I only trade very infrequently but still have incurred losses that almost made me broke
 
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nuh uh just use indicators and find a good strategy, easy thousands
You're competing with companies like Blackrock that has had trading ''AI'' (Aladdin) since 90s, and hedgies that read the earnings reports in seconds, and get their orders on the market before you can blink. You're scrolling some Apple earnings report looking for details if you're gonna get absolutely fucked or not, while hedgies already fucked you and your momma. I don't know what Michael Burry I'm talking with, but it's really really hard to make consistent returns being a trader.
 
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You're competing with companies like Blackrock that has had trading ''AI'' since 90s, and hedgies that read the earnings reports in seconds, and get their orders on the market before you can blink. You're scrolling some Apple earnings report looking for details if you're gonna get absolutely fucked or not, while hedgies already fucked you and your momma. I don't know what Michael Burry I'm talking with, but it's really really hard to make consistent returns being a trader.
Some people think they are Jim Simons and they will beat S&P by 60% for two decades. Nuh uh Jim Simons and his team was a once in a millenium type team. Full of PhDs in Math. Not everyone can be them. But we should not interfere here. Life itself will teach the lessons. Has happened to several traders who flew too close to the sun
 
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You're competing with companies like Blackrock that has had trading ''AI'' (Aladdin) since 90s, and hedgies that read the earnings reports in seconds, and get their orders on the market before you can blink. You're scrolling some Apple earnings report looking for details if you're gonna get absolutely fucked or not, while hedgies already fucked you and your momma. I don't know what Michael Burry I'm talking with, but it's really really hard to make consistent returns being a trader.
idc it works for me somehow, ur right but i just found good indicators, also i trade on heikin ashi instead of standard, and a few other things
 
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idc it works for me somehow, ur right but i just found good indicators, also i trade on heikin ashi instead of standard, and a few other things
Look buddy if it works for you then it is good. I dont want to pile on you because you havent done anything bad really. But I dont want people to be overconfident and lose all their money. That is the point I am trying to make. Be a bit conservative when it comes to trading
 
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ts high iq tbh,
 
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idc it works for me somehow, ur right but i just found good indicators, also i trade on heikin ashi instead of standard, and a few other things
All the indicators are bullshit. They may work half the time, because there's enough traders jerking off to them, but one day they don't and you'll get fucked. You've made some great returns? Awesome, begin investing on stocks and ETFs and if you continue trading, do it with money you can easily replace.
 
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Not high IQ just requires prerequisite knowledge. It is like trying to study some poems before knowing English. The poems are simple but if you don't know English then it is hard
ts high iq tbh,
 
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All the indicators are bullshit. They may work half the time, because there's enough traders jerking off to them, but one day they don't and you'll get fucked. You've made some great returns? Awesome, begin investing on stocks and ETFs and if you continue trading, do it with money you can easily replace.
I think he got the point lol.
 
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Not high IQ just requires prerequisite knowledge. It is like trying to study some poems before knowing English. The poems are simple but if you don't know English then it is hard
wise words from mr. roosevelt
 
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Look buddy if it works for you then it is good. I dont want to pile on you because you havent done anything bad really. But I dont want people to be overconfident and lose all their money. That is the point I am trying to make. Be a bit conservative when it comes to trading
Yep, I definitely don’t know more than you guys ofc, but I just got extremely lucky. I link like 20 funded accounts, each with 50k available (You have to make 3k in each account to get them funded, but you can link them while they aren't funded yet too), but you get leverage. So, if I do 5 contrats of NQ for 60 ticks (a small move, but just using it as an example), across 20 accounts that’s 6k. Minus tax, that’s a little more than 3k, and that happens in less than 30 minutes(y).
 
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All the indicators are bullshit. They may work half the time, because there's enough traders jerking off to them, but one day they don't and you'll get fucked. You've made some great returns? Awesome, begin investing on stocks and ETFs and if you continue trading, do it with money you can easily replace.
i disagree
 
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