Is 250-300 Test cope?

[ascension124]

Is this dose range cope for building size and nutrient partitioning?

I’ve only ever ran 500-600 test as well as 250 + Var but I noticed 400 test is the most I can tolerate without E2 sides. I tried 5 mg MENT alongside my TRT dose for a few days and it made my heart feel weird. Even on 400 my BP will be slightly elevated without a Telmisartan and lots of cardio and perfect diet.

I’d say the healthiest dose I can tolerate is 300 mg. Is this even worth running?

@Intel.Imperative @Hexmask @5.5psl @Foreverbrad

 

[ascension124]

My goal is to build lean tissue without turning into a bloated low SMV polar bear tbh

 

[whitebitchslayer]

I was gonna run 400, I feel like anything below that isnt supper different from naturally achievable levels.

 

[ascension124]

I was gonna run 400, I feel like anything below that isnt supper different from naturally achievable levels.

That’s my issue when I ran 250 it felt like it didn’t do anything except preserve muscle in a deficit and I could have done that with just my TRT dose

 

[ascension124]

I was gonna run 400, I feel like anything below that isnt supper different from naturally achievable levels.

The Frusterating part about enan esthers is it takes 4 wks to saturate and if you’re running a 12 wk cycle it gives you about 8 wks to gain size only

 

[whitebitchslayer]

The Frusterating part about enan esthers is it takes 4 wks to saturate and if you’re running a 12 wk cycle it gives you about 8 wks to gain size only

ethanate takes 4 weeks???

 

[ascension124]

ethanate takes 4 weeks???

Yeah sometimes more. On my first cycle of 500 test I didn’t see physical changes until week 6-8

 

[whitebitchslayer]

Yeah sometimes more. On my first cycle of 500 test I didn’t see physical changes until week 6-8

I was gonna do 7 weeks with anavar

 

[ascension124]

I was gonna do 7 weeks with anavar

Run lower doses and do atleast 16 wks

 

[whitebitchslayer]

Run lower doses and do atleast 16 wks

god damn 16 weeks???? cycle was going to be 200 twice a week test e anavar 20mg ED and hgh 2iu ED for 7 weeks and I thought that was alot

 

[ascension124]

god damn 16 weeks???? cycle was going to be 200 twice a week test e anavar 20mg ED and hgh 2iu ED for 7 weeks and I thought that was alot

No point even blasting if it’s gonna be 7 wks. 12 is the absolute minimum and it’s not ideal. Ideal is 16-20 wks adjust your dosing accordingly

 

[whitebitchslayer]

No point even blasting if it’s gonna be 7 wks. 12 is the absolute minimum and it’s not ideal. Ideal is 16-20 wks adjust your dosing accordingly

ok bet

 

[Intel.Imperative]

You can definately make gains on 300mg. Just be careful, gyno will slowly start to develope in some people at this dose. Keep some aromasin on hand and regularly check your nipples for sensitivity. If sensitivity is being experienced then administer a low dose of aromasin or reducd the dosage by 50-75mg.

 

[Hexmask]

500 is pretty underwhelming for me in the context of frame and strength. I just started 750 a week

 

[ascension124]

500 is pretty underwhelming for me in the context of frame and strength. I just started 750 a week

Dude i got crazy results after my first blast on 500 but after that I tried running it again and it didn’t even compare.

 

[ascension124]

500 is pretty underwhelming for me in the context of frame and strength. I just started 750 a week

Good luck and use Telmisartan for BP modulation

 

[Hexmask]

Good luck and use Telmisartan for BP modulation

Yep. Never needed an ARB or nebiv. I seem to have good genetics. Never had BP issues, barely had hair shed, bloodwork was not bad last time. I am on dut this time though.

 

[ascension124]

Yep. Never needed an ARB or nebiv. I seem to have good genetics. Never had BP issues, barely had hair shed, bloodwork was not bad last time. I am on dut this time though.

How long do you run cycles for

 

[ascension124]

Yep. Never needed an ARB or nebiv. I seem to have good genetics. Never had BP issues, barely had hair shed, bloodwork was not bad last time. I am on dut this time though.

With each cycle I ran and the older I got I became more sensitive to sides. MPMD is right you only have a few blasts before sides are an issue

 

[SoundnVision]

I was gonna run 400, I feel like anything below that isnt supper different from naturally achievable levels.

Wrong, 200mg if your gear is legit should but you around the 2000 mark

 

[ascension124]

Wrong, 200mg if your gear is legit should but you around the 2000 mark

That’s not enough to make much more gains than natty

 

[SoundnVision]

That’s not enough to make much more gains than natty

Well my body looks totally different on 150 test compared with natty, and natty I'm 850

 

[ascension124]

Well my body looks totally different on 150 test compared with natty, and natty I'm 850

Pics?

 

[Hexmask]

How long do you run cycles for

Aim for 12-14 weeks

 

[ascension124]

Aim for 12-14 weeks

Why mainstream bodybuilders advocate 16-20? I coudnt handle that long tbh

 

[Hexmask]

Well my body looks totally different on 150 test compared with natty, and natty I'm 850

Did you keep your diet the exact same the entire time? You probably just made progress lol. You also have to account for glycogen storage since TRT enhances that. Look at Andrew eubanks.

 

[Hexmask]

Why mainstream bodybuilders advocate 16-20? I coudnt handle that long tbh

Eh they are in off season and need to grow. The other thing is too is it takes 4 weeks to saturate test and like week 6-8 you start noticing real differences week by week. So I can see it. Just depends how healthy of an individual you are. I can understand running half a gram to a gram of test for that long cause it’s an easy and well tolerated steroid. But when you have other injectables and orals you need to give your body time to rest.

 

[SoundnVision]

Did you keep your diet the exact same the entire time? You probably just made progress lol. You also have to account for glycogen storage since TRT enhances that. Look at Andrew eubanks.

You notice it most in the shoulders/traps.
Dosnt matter natty levels anyone will look bigger on 150mg

 

[5.5psl]

Not cope you'll build muscle easily on this and feel good too but not a blast obv. If you are looking for gains run 500+ with deca/dbol or sum shit as well and when cruising be below 200 atleast I recommend 150 tho

 

[kana]

my dad took test 250 back in the late 2000s and he was 6'0 240lbs lean at his peak

 

[ascension124]

Gy

You notice it most in the shoulders/traps.
Dosnt matter natty levels anyone will look bigger on 150mg

Glycogen

 

[ascension124]

my dad took test 250 back in the late 2000s and he was 6'0 240lbs lean at his peak

How long did he run it and what was his diet @Hexmask

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

its not cope but its also not really a proper cycle

 

[MA_ascender]

its not cope but its also not really a proper cycle

It's good to run year round imo



Your health won't take a shit from 250 test, your inhib levels, libido, gains, will all be enhanced

 

[ascension124]

It's good to run year round imo



Your health won't take a shit from 250 test, your inhib levels, libido, gains, will all be enhanced

But is the enhancement on 250 worth the additional sides compared to 150

 

[ascension124]

It's good to run year round imo



Your health won't take a shit from 250 test, your inhib levels, libido, gains, will all be enhanced

Also hair loss

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

But is the enhancement on 250 worth the additional sides compared to 150

sides are nowhere near unmanageable all the way up to 600mg, 600 test per week is deemed a clinically safe dosage based on the research

 

[MA_ascender]

Also hair loss

Steroids without dutasteride =

 

[ascension124]

Steroids without dutasteride =

I’m on Dut 0.5 mg and RU but very scared

 

[ascension124]

sides are nowhere near unmanageable all the way up to 600mg, 600 test per week is deemed a clinically safe dosage based on the research

I had massive BP issues on 600 test

 

[Kelly Oubre Jr]

I had massive BP issues on 600 test

daily fasted cardio, tadalafil, telmisartan, nebivolol and adequate supplementation would be able to handle it

 

[equel]

Its decent for drive, masculinity etc, good mood.

However, to grow for real you need ATLEAST 1g.

To look like a real bodybuilder, 2-3g.

 

[SoundnVision]

Its decent for drive, masculinity etc, good mood.

However, to grow for real you need ATLEAST 1g.

To look like a real bodybuilder, 2-3g.

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