Is a test cycle worth it?

[cytoplasm]

Title tbh

 

[LegitUser]

Age? Bf % and experience lifting?

 

[Deleted member 88653]

You'll gain muscle faster but it won't magically change your genetics. If you have a pec gap, that's still going to be there.

If you have long limbs like me, they're still going to be long and make you appear small. Ultimately, what makes bodybuilders look big is their insertions, if they're very good, they will make you appear bigger than you really are, and if they're really bad, they will make you appear small.

If you focus on wanting to look like somebody else, you'll never be satisfied but if you focus on increasing performance in the gym and gaining muscle mass (increasing measurements without getting fat), then you'll see improvements over time, regardless of if you do drugs or not. Drugs just speed up the process with less effort.

 

[Thebuffdon]

You'll gain muscle faster but it won't magically change your genetics. If you have a pec gap, that's still going to be there.

If you have long limbs like me, they're still going to be long and make you appear small. Ultimately, what makes bodybuilders look big is their insertions, if they're very good, they will make you appear bigger than you really are, and if they're really bad, they will make you appear small.

If you focus on wanting to look like somebody else, you'll never be satisfied but if you focus on increasing performance in the gym and gaining muscle mass (increasing measurements without getting fat), then you'll see improvements over time, regardless of if you do drugs or not. Drugs just speed up the process with less effort.

How drastic is the muscle increase though that’s the question. Let’s say like a 8-10 week cycle

 

[cytoplasm]

Age? Bf % and experience lifting?

Mid 20s
~18
1 year

Drugs just speed up the process with less effort.

Thats what im looking for

 

[Deleted member 88653]

Thats what im looking for

Yes but in the process, you shut down natural testosterone production forever, this means that for the rest of your live, your testicles stop producing testosterone, this makes them shrink to the size of raisins. Imagine having sex with no testicles, that's how it is for people who take steroids, or as rich piana would say "it makes your dick look bigger" .

Also, you have to keep injecting for the rest of your life, steroids are not cheap, and they can cause many side effects like acne, anger issues, heart attacks or even death. So the risk isn't worth it for most people unless your #1 goal in life is to become a professional bodybuilder, which wouldn't be very good for looks.

 

[LegitUser]

Mid 20s
~18
1 year

Thats what im looking for

It depends on what your goals are. "Just one cycle" does not exist. You will likely lose majority of gains when coming off, and continue doing cycles until you either end up on TRT for life (lose fertility, you can sometimes get it back but costs ~3-4k a month for the drugs to do this), or become ill and quit bodybuilding, or die from doing too much.

That being said ,I have considered hopping on, I think the 'best' way is with Test +HCG, "TRT+" permanently
200 Test weekly with HCG and AI for prolonged period of time is probably what I would do.

If you want to get ripped then do it but make sure you understand the downsides fully.

 

[cytoplasm]

Yes but in the process, you shut down natural testosterone production forever, this means that for the rest of your live, your testicles stop producing testosterone, this makes them shrink to the size of raisins. Imagine having sex with no testicles, that's how it is for people who take steroids, or as rich piana would say "it makes your dick look bigger" .

Also, you have to keep injecting for the rest of your life, steroids are not cheap, and they can cause many side effects like acne, anger issues, heart attacks or even death. So the risk isn't worth it for most people unless your #1 goal in life is to become a professional bodybuilder, which wouldn't be very good for looks.

It depends on what your goals are. "Just one cycle" does not exist. You will likely lose majority of gains when coming off, and continue doing cycles until you either end up on TRT for life (lose fertility, you can sometimes get it back but costs ~3-4k a month for the drugs to do this), or become ill and quit bodybuilding, or die from doing too much.

That being said ,I have considered hopping on, I think the 'best' way is with Test +HCG, "TRT+" permanently
200 Test weekly with HCG and AI for prolonged period of time is probably what I would do.

If you want to get ripped then do it but make sure you understand the downsides fully.

According to my research so far test production restarts after pct and you keep all your gains as long as diet and training stay consistent

 

[LegitUser]

According to my research so far test production restarts after pct and you keep all your gains as long as diet and training stay consistent

Your research is wrong lol, pct dosent actually do anything. There was a study that looked at if pct actually helped restart HPTA, it does not. It just aids the withdrawal symptoms from initial fully suppressed period

Disruption and recovery of testicular function during and after androgen abuse: the HAARLEM study

AbstractSTUDY QUESTION. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?SUMMARY A

academic.oup.com

You definitely do not keep all your gains. If you are lucky you can maybe keep 80%.

 

[Deleted member 88653]

According to my research so far test production restarts after pct and you keep all your gains as long as diet and training stay consistent

You mean one Greg Doucette video lol

 

[cytoplasm]

You mean one Greg Doucette video lol

Doucette did say you'll lose most of your gains, something like minimum half. Most Others said otherwise

 

[cytoplasm]

Bump

 

[cytoplasm]

Bump

 

[Giorgio]

Your research is wrong lol, pct dosent actually do anything. There was a study that looked at if pct actually helped restart HPTA, it does not. It just aids the withdrawal symptoms from initial fully suppressed period

Disruption and recovery of testicular function during and after androgen abuse: the HAARLEM study

AbstractSTUDY QUESTION. What is the speed and extent by which endogenous testosterone production and spermatogenesis recover after androgen abuse?SUMMARY A

academic.oup.com

You definitely do not keep all your gains. If you are lucky you can maybe keep 80%.

tldr on this study?

how many recovered and how long did it take them?

 

[cytoplasm]

Giga bump

 

[Outerz14]

Yes but in the process, you shut down natural testosterone production forever, this means that for the rest of your live, your testicles stop producing testosterone, this makes them shrink to the size of raisins. Imagine having sex with no testicles, that's how it is for people who take steroids, or as rich piana would say "it makes your dick look bigger" .

Also, you have to keep injecting for the rest of your life, steroids are not cheap, and they can cause many side effects like acne, anger issues, heart attacks or even death. So the risk isn't worth it for most people unless your #1 goal in life is to become a professional bodybuilder, which wouldn't be very good for looks.

Dnr fag boi

 

[cytoplasm]

B

 

[ineonx]

Title tbh

No

 

[cytoplasm]

No

Y

 

[ineonx]

Y

Depends, what is your main goal for starting a cycle?

 

[cytoplasm]

Depends, what is your main goal for starting a cycle?

Gaining contractile tissue mass