Is bimax actually always needed? need some high iq users

[truecopecell]

Before I get into this, I want to clarify that I don't think this orthodontist is necessarily bluepilled. On their website, they mention that jaw surgery is typically recommended or required for cases such as:

Class 2 bites: Upper teeth protrusion (maxillary dental protrusion) or lower jaw retrusion (mandibular retrognathism)
Class 3 bites: Lower jaw protrusion (mandibular prognathism)
However, it’s not usually suggested for other cases. The practice seems to have a focus on not only teeth, but how they relate to other craniofacial structures (i.e, how your face will look after the treatment). I'm sure you noticed that from the above classifications tho.

Personally, I have a deep overbite along with a crossbite on one side of my mouth.

During the consultation, he performed some facial assessments and concluded that I don’t appear to have any recession. When I brought up jaw surgery, he explained that it’s mainly used for patients whose lower jaw didn't grow forward or down enough. He attributed the 'short face' appearance I have when my teeth are clenched to my bottom teeth being overly slanted and the crossbite on one side, which also contributes to some mild facial asymmetry.

They didn’t mention anything about extracting teeth, and I still have my wisdom teeth. Maybe that will come up later? I’m currently debating whether to schedule the next appointment to proceed with the actual scans. So that's where I need some help deciding... I might have some courage to dm pics if its a user I recognize from high iq posts in the forum lol

 

[slice]

So they only want to give you braces? If you actually have short face syndrome it will hardly be fixed by just doing braces. Im in the same situation as you, not that recessed but a deepbite that makes my lower third too short.

But sfs is a reason to get bimax, if you’re willing to. The biggest jawsurgery transformations are usually from people with sfs.

 

[truecopecell]

So they only want to give you braces? If you actually have short face syndrome it will hardly be fixed by just doing braces. Im in the same situation as you, not that recessed but a deepbite that makes my lower third too short.

But sfs is a reason to get bimax, if you’re willing to. The biggest jawsurgery transformations are usually from people with sfs.

not sure if sfs, but he said that because of the slant of my lower teeth along with the other problems my bottom and top jaws are basically coming too close together when I bite. correcting it should make my face a bit longer. he seemed to be checking how long my lower third was before I asked anything too, I was frauding out of habit (touching my top and bottom front teeth, I tend to do this even while sleeping.) and since he was looking at my face with my mouth closed he said my third was fine.. until I realized what I was doing and apologized, he reassessed and said that was my issue.

The fact he was looking at how my face looked with my mouth closed gives me some confidence... as his only concern doesnt seem to be just teeth.. but then again I dont know if thats standard.

 

[truecopecell]

So they only want to give you braces? If you actually have short face syndrome it will hardly be fixed by just doing braces. Im in the same situation as you, not that recessed but a deepbite that makes my lower third too short.

But sfs is a reason to get bimax, if you’re willing to. The biggest jawsurgery transformations are usually from people with sfs.

I too have seen the crazy transformations which is why I'm hesitant

 

[geenk worg]

it's a very bluepilled and retarded viewpoint. recession can be present regardless if you are class I or not.

and generally you should be discussing about jaw surgery with an actual surgeon, not an orthodontist.

 

[slice]

not sure if sfs, but he said that because of the slant of my lower teeth along with the other problems my bottom and top jaws are basically coming too close together when I bite. correcting it should make my face a bit longer. he seemed to be checking how long my lower third was before I asked anything too, I was frauding out of habit (touching my top and bottom front teeth, I tend to do this even while sleeping.) and since he was looking at my face with my mouth closed he said my third was fine.. until I realized what I was doing and apologized, he reassessed and said that was my issue.

The fact he was looking at how my face looked with my mouth closed gives me some confidence... as his only concern doesnt seem to be just teeth.. but then again I dont know if thats standard.

well if its not that bad I think you could get slightly more height by fixing the slant. Making the teeth "longer" would afterall put them more into your natural bite position, but hard to say if it would be enough. If you have the opportunity you could always consult with a surgeon beforehand.

 

[Acne Victim]

Sorry but I’m not high IQ and sadly can’t help you.

 

[truecopecell]

Sorry but I’m not high IQ and sadly can’t help you.

I have reconsidered and will take low and medium iq responses

 

[chrishell]

Consult a maxfac

 

[truecopecell]

Consult a maxfac

thats the plan. just a pain to do in canada ontario most good ones only seem to see you with ortho referral

 

[truecopecell]

Update: went to another ortho and they said i probably will need surgery. Now most likely will consult with surgeon. good thing i didnt go with first option lol


Edit: although to be fair the first orthos initial consultation didnt include scans and this one did

 

[bimaxmaxxer]

Most orthos are retarded. If u feel like you have no space in your mouth for your tongue + you can't breath properly you will need bimax, for medical reasons. And some surgeons really take it to the next level and add the aesthetics factor, this is what you need. A good bimax result with implants will also help stretching your recessed face out and will make you more relaxed. There are so many benefits.

But orthodontists are like: better keep that cuckface, no problem with that, it will kill you slowly mentally and physically but your bite is correct, trust me bro.