Is ccw maxillary rotation even possible?

[Viltrum]

Past puberty, referring to thumb/belt pulling. How is it supposed to “shrink” and forward grow a downward grown maxilla?

 

[charliewillascend]

It doesn’t ‘shrink’ your maxilla it rotates it/ tilts it hence CCW ‘rotation’ and it keeps is the same size but just reduces vertical height. Think how if you tilt something you can fit it in a box at a certain angle but at others you can’t, this shortens mid face and more under eye support etc, I believe thumb pulling is a cope though as the pressure is not constant
I don’t know why someone on here hasn’t made a mechanism to apply force to the maxilla while we sleep or some shit

 

[Reqired]

It doesn't

 

[Viltrum]

It doesn’t ‘shrink’ your maxilla it rotates it/ tilts it hence CCW ‘rotation’ and it keeps is the same size but just reduces vertical height. Think how if you tilt something you can fit it in a box at a certain angle but at others you can’t, this shortens mid face and more under eye support etc, I believe thumb pulling is a cope though as the pressure is not constant
I don’t know why someone on here hasn’t made a mechanism to apply force to the maxilla while we sleep or some shit

Maxilla isn’t a floating bone though. I imagine some attaching parts of the bone still theoretically need to be either shrunk or grown in a different direction which makes no sense. Since bone doesn’t grow from applied pressure.

 

[charliewillascend]

Maxilla isn’t a floating bone though. I imagine some attaching parts of the bone still theoretically need to be either shrunk or grown in a different direction which makes no sense. Since bone doesn’t grow from applied pressure.

The maxilla is a centerpiece , it guides the other bones forward with it if that answers your question to how all the other attached bones move forward too as they do not get ‘stretched’ there is sutures on the maxilla that allows it to move forward responding to pressure differing from other bones slightly.

It doesn’t shrink at all no it wouldn’t need to be it moves upward and so does the rest of your face along with it as the maxilla guides growth , with the angles and how they work like I explained in the original post this shortens your face by shortening your nose. The upswing at the bottom of the maxilla is called CCW rotation and this causes your chin to up swing also this lowers gonial angle and moves the lower jaw physically forward .

But yes your right about the bones growing in a different direction but just not them shrinking.

 

[charliewillascend]

Maxilla isn’t a floating bone though. I imagine some attaching parts of the bone still theoretically need to be either shrunk or grown in a different direction which makes no sense. Since bone doesn’t grow from applied pressure.

Some theories suggest bones can grow from pressure but regardless this is not happening here.

The bone is being moved by applied pressures not grown. The pressure changes the maxilla’s angle and upswings it. Causing other bones to folllow.

 

[Viltrum]

The maxilla is a centerpiece , it guides the other bones forward with it if that answers your question to how all the other attached bones move forward too as they do not get ‘stretched’ there is sutures on the maxilla that allows it to move forward responding to pressure differing from other bones slightly.

It doesn’t shrink at all no it wouldn’t need to be it moves upward and so does the rest of your face along with it as the maxilla guides growth , with the angles and how they work like I explained in the original post this shortens your face by shortening your nose. The upswing at the bottom of the maxilla is called CCW rotation and this causes your chin to up swing also this lowers gonial angle and moves the lower jaw physically forward .

But yes you’re right about the bones growing in a different direction but just not them shrinking.

Hmm I guess the sultures being the moving parts makes sense. Does that still happen post puberty though?

 

[charliewillascend]

Hmm I guess the sultures being the moving parts makes sense. Does that still happen post puberty though?

Maxilla still moves regardless to what even orthodontists say,
As they contradict themselves, by study’s it states that people get more downwardly grown as they age so the maxilla must move back wards.
I’m not sure if the downgrowth happens for a different reason ,if anyone else has any input that would be great , but I can only see this happening from the maxilla moving.

But to answer your question I’m honestly not sure ,
I can tell you for sure though from 1-16 maxilla growth occurs a lot then from 16-18 a fair amount 18-21 is usually little to some sometimes even no forward growth.
21-25 is GIGA rare to see anything but it happens.
But this all depends on genetics , environment partially, and when you hit puberty.
As you could all of a sudden get incredible forward growth very late in life and turn chad and fuck Stacy’s. This didn’t happen to me unfortunately , fuck my genetics.

 

[KabylMogz]

Maxilla still moves regardless to what even orthodontists say,
As they contradict themselves, by study’s it states that people get more downwardly grown as they age so the maxilla must move back wards.
I’m not sure if the downgrowth happens for a different reason ,if anyone else has any input that would be great , but I can only see this happening from the maxilla moving.

But to answer your question I’m honestly not sure ,
I can tell you for sure though from 1-16 maxilla growth occurs a lot then from 16-18 a fair amount 18-21 is usually little to some sometimes even no forward growth.
21-25 is GIGA rare to see anything but it happens.
But this all depends on genetics , environment partially, and when you hit puberty.
As you could all of a sudden get incredible forward growth very late in life and turn chad and fuck Stacy’s. This didn’t happen to me unfortunately , fuck my genetics.

An extremely interesting thread. In view of the fact that I have an extremely late puberty I had a huge bone plasticity, I have already managed to move my maxilla in 4 minutes of clenching, which had given me downward growth. Then I practiced thumbpulling which allowed me to put it back up. For the maxilla to move, there needs to be constant pressure, and the stronger the pressure, the faster the maxilla will move, also the more the sutures will be separated, Like the intermaxillary suture, the easier the bones will be to move. Also, it would be necessary to develop a device that emits a force on the front of the palate during the night, let's imagine 5 kg, could drastically change the position of the maxilla, improve breathing, and therefore sleep. I don't understand what prevents people from doing that. It is easy to make this kind of device with a little money.

 

[charliewillascend]

An extremely interesting thread. In view of the fact that I have an extremely late puberty I had a huge bone plasticity, I have already managed to move my maxilla in 4 minutes of clenching, which had given me downward growth. Then I practiced thumbpulling which allowed me to put it back up. For the maxilla to move, there needs to be constant pressure, and the stronger the pressure, the faster the maxilla will move, also the more the sutures will be separated, Like the intermaxillary suture, the easier the bones will be to move. Also, it would be necessary to develop a device that emits a force on the front of the palate during the night, let's imagine 5 kg, could drastically change the position of the maxilla, improve breathing, and therefore sleep. I don't understand what prevents people from doing that. It is easy to make this kind of device with a little money.

The problem with developing a device like this yourself is ultimately you or I don’t know what we are doing, so the force we are emitting could severely fuck you up orthodontically, as your maxilla could move in the wrong direction, or unevenly due to uneven forces on different parts of the maxilla ,giving you SEVERE asymmetry.

Force doesn’t necessarily have to be constant but it pretty much does ,

Reverse pull head gear is an example of a non constant force that is used in dentistry by real orthodontists, so yeah it works not just some larp I heard on here jfl, but essentially it pulls the maxilla forward with bands attached to a brace , and this happens for 12 hours while you sleep (this also takes advantage of the fact this is where most growth occurs during sleep so it’s extra effective to wear during sleep), and then you just take it off during the day and back on at night.

I don’t know where I stand with thumb pulling ,
I think if you did it for ridiculous amounts you would get some growth but it’s just not worth it by ridiculous amounts I mean like 6 hours straight which is just simply not possible .
There needs to be somewhat of a Constance to the force but it doesn’t need to permanent essentially.

 

[KabylMogz]

The problem with developing a device like this yourself is ultimately you or I don’t know what we are doing, so the force we are emitting could severely fuck you up orthodontically, as your maxilla could move in the wrong direction, or unevenly due to uneven forces on different parts of the maxilla ,giving you SEVERE asymmetry.

Force doesn’t necessarily have to be constant but it pretty much does ,

Reverse pull head gear is an example of a non constant force that is used in dentistry by real orthodontists, so yeah it works not just some larp I heard on here jfl, but essentially it pulls the maxilla forward with bands attached to a brace , and this happens for 12 hours while you sleep (this also takes advantage of the fact this is where most growth occurs during sleep so it’s extra effective to wear during sleep), and then you just take it off during the day and back on at night.

I don’t know where I stand with thumb pulling ,
I think if you did it for ridiculous amounts you would get some growth but it’s just not worth it by ridiculous amounts I mean like 6 hours straight which is just simply not possible .
There needs to be somewhat of a Constance to the force but it doesn’t need to permanent essentially.

According to my tests. I managed to change the position of my maxilla in 8 minutes of continuous thumbpulling. Let's imagine that we try to do it in 2 times, 4 minutes and 4 minutes. Well for me it didn't change anything. This means that a very constant force is required, almost without interruption, otherwise the bones do not move and remain in their places. Also I noticed that the maxilla moves in steps, that is to say that it always comes back in the same positions. To put it simply, in 1 month, my maxilla had foward and downward growth. And he always returns to the same positions, and my face goes back to the way it was before. And I find that extremely interesting, it means that there are no results if the force is interrupted. I also discovered that by weakening the intermaxillary suture with a mse or any other technique, the results could be accelerated.

 

[charliewillascend]

According to my tests. I managed to change the position of my maxilla in 8 minutes of continuous thumbpulling. Let's imagine that we try to do it in 2 times, 4 minutes and 4 minutes. Well for me it didn't change anything. This means that a very constant force is required, almost without interruption, otherwise the bones do not move and remain in their places. Also I noticed that the maxilla moves in steps, that is to say that it always comes back in the same positions. To put it simply, in 1 month, my maxilla had foward and downward growth. And he always returns to the same positions, and my face goes back to the way it was before. And I find that extremely interesting, it means that there are no results if the force is interrupted. I also discovered that by weakening the intermaxillary suture with a mse or any other technique, the results could be accelerated.

Well yeah your maxilla will go forward temporarily ,
But will just go back. Yeah I think you need forward forced consistently for growth tbh.

 

[KabylMogz]

Well yeah your maxilla will go forward temporarily ,
But will just go back. Yeah I think you need forward forced consistently for growth tbh.

Even if you put force for 8 hours, it will come back if you stop. Mewing can work if you do it always perfectly for many months. But I think the best is to create an appliance who put like 5kg of force for 10 hours and you'll get the results much faster. I'll try it, because if I already achieved ccw rotation with thumbpulling but now I don't have results (better breathing or better face) like before, so I need something stronger and more constant, the face mask headgear won't work because it only move the maxilla foward, so I'll try to create a model of my nasopalatine (front palate) and use a facepuller.

 

[charliewillascend]

Even if you put force for 8 hours, it will come back if you stop. Mewing can work if you do it always perfectly for many months. But I think the best is to create an appliance who put like 5kg of force for 10 hours and you'll get the results much faster. I'll try it, because if I already achieved ccw rotation with thumbpulling but now I don't have results (better breathing or better face) like before, so I need something stronger and more constant, the face mask headgear won't work because it only move the maxilla foward, so I'll try to create a model of my nasopalatine (front palate) and use a facepuller.

interesting ,
I don’t recommend this as you will more then likely get severe asymmetry’s as you don’t know how to cater to your specific needs or where to apply the force.
Contact an orthodontist if you want to try this and ask him for some guidance.