is depression real?

[Harold O'brien]

I don't think it is tbh - or at least it is extraordinarily rare

your typical "depression case" is almost entirely the result of environmental factors. muh brain chemicals bad is just an excuse for people finding little success in life - as far as I'm aware there is no substantive evidence supporting this

if depression was really caused by genetic imbalances in the brain then wouldn't the opposite of depression be relatively common? yet it doesn't seem to exist, strange

in summary: I don't think depression is a legitimate biological phenomenon and all it amounts to is stating I feel sad a lot on some official form

 

[Deleted member 15338]

It is an incel cope

 

[Aesthetics_III]

‘Mania, also known as manic syndrome, is a mentaland behavioral disorder[1] defined as a state of abnormally elevated arousal, affect, and energy level, or "a state of heightened overall activation with enhanced affective expression together with lability of affect."’

 

[Harold O'brien]

‘Mania, also known as manic syndrome, is a mentaland behavioral disorder[1] defined as a state of abnormally elevated arousal, affect, and energy level, or "a state of heightened overall activation with enhanced affective expression together with lability of affect."’

I know what mania is and it is not the opposite of depression

 

[Aesthetics_III]

I know what mania is and it is not the opposite of depression

lol look at this psychological nerd over here maybe if you spent your time outside instead of researching mental health you’d be normal

 

[BearBoy]

I think its depression and insomenia that cause really bad chemical inbalances in the brain had this myself when even smoking a cigarette didnt know give any feeling and i felt like a zombie but this was all because i didnt sleep for a week straight

 

[one job away]

I don't think it is tbh - or at least it is extraordinarily rare

your typical "depression case" is almost entirely the result of environmental factors. muh brain chemicals bad is just an excuse for people finding little success in life - as far as I'm aware there is no substantive evidence supporting this

if depression was really caused by genetic imbalances in the brain then wouldn't the opposite of depression be relatively common? yet it doesn't seem to exist, strange

in summary: I don't think depression is a legitimate biological phenomenon and all it amounts to is stating I feel sad a lot on some official form

Depression is as real as a broken arm or liver failure.

what you think your „soul“ is? What makes your personality?

you think there is some ghost in your body that flys around and magically makes you up as a person?

No

it’s all programmed by the neurons in your Brain. And depression is simply your brain being fcked. The neurons don’t fire properly and the receptors aren’t doing their job. It’s just as much of a physical problem as anything else.

there is no sich thing as „mental“ Problems. Every mental problem is just the result of physical ill neurons and fcked neurotransmitters.

the classification in mental and physical problems stems from a time where people though the soul is something mystical magical and god created us.

 

[Harold O'brien]

lol look at this psychological nerd over here maybe if you spent your time outside instead of researching mental health you’d be normal

reminder: you were the one trying to look smart by copy pasting wikipedia

 

[Aesthetics_III]

reminder: you were the one trying to look smart by copy pasting wikipedia

how is copying wikipedia smart i was just giving you the definition of what i thought the opposite of depression was. you’re the one getting all faggy over it all

 

[GIGA KHAN SULTAN]

y does every thread on here read like a middle schooler trying his hardest to sound eloquent on his English essay

 

[GIGA KHAN SULTAN]

show me your bussy or gtfo

anime girl pfp = I want to take Sultan's cock until it breaks my colon

 

[Harold O'brien]

Depression is as real as a broken arm or liver failure.

what you think your „soul“ is? What makes your personality?

you think there is some ghost in your body that magically makes you up as a person?

No

it’s all programmer by the neurons into your Brain. And depression is simply your brain being fcked. The neurons don’t fire properly and the receptors aren’t doing their job. It’s just as much of a physical problem as anything else.

there is no sich thing as „mental“ Problems. Every mental problem is just the result of physical ill neurons and teeing neurotransmitters.

the classification in mental and physical problems stems from a time where people though the soul is something mystical magical and god created us.

I'm not denying that the symptoms of depression exist - that would be retarded

but I think the cause is mostly from the environment and not some inborn genetic factor that affects neurotransmitters

 

[Harold O'brien]

how is copying wikipedia smart i was just giving you the definition of what i thought the opposite of depression was. you’re the one getting all faggy over it all

why didn't you just say that then? I don't see why you would need to copy wiki

 

[Deleted member 15338]

Depression is as real as a broken arm or liver failure.

what you think your „soul“ is? What makes your personality?

you think there is some ghost in your body that flys around and magically makes you up as a person?

No

it’s all programmed by the neurons in your Brain. And depression is simply your brain being fcked. The neurons don’t fire properly and the receptors aren’t doing their job. It’s just as much of a physical problem as anything else.

there is no sich thing as „mental“ Problems. Every mental problem is just the result of physical ill neurons and fcked neurotransmitters.

the classification in mental and physical problems stems from a time where people though the soul is something mystical magical and god created us.

Or in short you are a faggot if you are depressed

 

[Harold O'brien]

y does every thread on here read like a middle schooler trying his hardest to sound eloquent on his English essay

your insecurities are seeping out

 

[GIGA KHAN SULTAN]

use those lanky fem hands to massage my cock instead of typing nonsense you bitch

 

[Deleted member 16530]

It is real

Reasons can range from genetics to environmental factors

If you don’t have it,well good for you,not everyone has the same body,brain or life

 

[Aesthetics_III]

why didn't you just say that then? I don't see why you would need to copy wiki

because i don’t know the definition of the top of my head like your loser ass, and it’s quicker than typing it out

 

[Harold O'brien]

It is real

Reasons can range from genetics to environmental factors

If you don’t have it,well good for you,not everyone has the same body,brain or life

provide evidence that depression has a significant genetic basis

 

[TsarTsar444]

Depression is epigenetic, meaning that some people have an higher chance of getting it if you put two humans in an exact same environment. If humans lived naturally in a tribe with no stress and capitalism like today depression would be way way lower

 

[yougottadowhatyougot]

is depression real, as a separate phenomenon to situational sadness, and does it manifest with measurable biological abnormalities? categorical yes to both

how much of it is the result of genetics? a lot harder to answer, not only because the genetic basis for depression is no doubt highly polygenic and involving genes related to many interrelated neurotransmitter/hormone/immune/neurotrophic pathways, and research on genetics and the brain in general just isn't there yet, but also because I don't think genetic and environmental factors can really be neatly separated anyway

 

[Deleted member 16970]

I had it. well more technically, I manufactured it in my head due to my false beliefs.

 

[Harold O'brien]

is depression real, as a separate phenomenon to situational sadness, and does it manifest with measurable biological abnormalities? categorical yes to both

how much of it is the result of genetics? a lot harder to answer, not only because the genetic basis for depression is no doubt highly polygenic and involving genes related to many interrelated neurotransmitter/hormone/immune/neurotrophic pathways, and research on genetics and the brain in general just isn't there yet, but also because I don't think genetic and environmental factors can really be neatly separated anyway

but what are these measurable biological abnormalities? psychologists moved on from the chemical imbalances theory a long time ago

and if it's just correlations I reckon you would find a significant genetic basis for broken limbs because of bone strength and risk taking behaviour both being determined by genes. but a broken arm is clearly a result of the environment, it would be silly to argue otherwise

 

[Harold O'brien]

Depression is epigenetic, meaning that some people have an higher chance of getting it if you put two humans in an exact same environment. If humans lived naturally in a tribe with no stress and capitalism like today depression would be way way lower

but the trigger is still from the environment in almost all cases

 

[goldensoul]

it's just tolerance. the same way you get used to a drug and it stops making you happy, people get used to their satisfying life and want more. namaste

 

[yougottadowhatyougot]

but what are these measurable biological abnormalities? psychologists moved on from the chemical imbalances theory a long time ago

structural and functional abnormalities in various areas of the brain documented in neuroimaging studies, alterations in inflammatory biomarkers and increases in markers of oxidative stress, to name some

psychologists moved on from the chemical imbalances theory a long time ago

who said that neurotransmitter pathways aren't involved in the etiology of depression? it's just not as simple as "more serotonin more better" like 1990s prozac shills wanted it to be.

Psychologists also aren't biologists or doctors, and aren't able to prescribe medication, it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't focus on physiological models of depression

and if it's just correlations I reckon you would find a significant genetic basis for broken limbs because of bone strength and risk taking behaviour both being determined by genes. but a broken arm is clearly a result of the environment, it would be silly to argue otherwise

and if someone had a history of frequent broken bones after being exposed to levels of physical trauma that wouldn't really phase most of his peers? and if someone experienced a history of fractures with no clear physical trauma to point to at all?

 

[Harold O'brien]

structural and functional abnormalities in various areas of the brain documented in neuroimaging studies, alterations in inflammatory biomarkers and increases in markers of oxidative stress, to name some



who said that neurotransmitter pathways aren't involved in the etiology of depression? it's just not as simple as "more serotonin more better" like 1990s prozac shills wanted it to be.

Psychologists also aren't biologists or doctors, and aren't able to prescribe medication, it wouldn't be surprising if they didn't focus on physiological models of depression



and if someone had a history of frequent broken bones after being exposed to levels of physical trauma that wouldn't really phase most of his peers? and if someone experienced a history of fractures with no clear physical trauma to point to at all?

are these not just biomarkers of depression though? where is the causal link, how do we know A results in B? I imagine it will be something vague and handwavey or "it is not fully understood"

let me be clear I'm not saying that it's impossible for the brain to have abnormalities that result in depression. but I think that this is very rare and not the case for the majority of depressed people

models like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diathesis–stress_model agree with me. genes may affect your susceptibility but the ultimate cause of depression is the environment - it is not something people are typically born with

 

[Sphinx]

it is not something people are typically born with

If it's bad, me and @Vermilioncore were born with it.

 

[yougottadowhatyougot]

are these not just biomarkers of depression though? where is the causal link, how do we know A results in B? I imagine it will be something vague and handwavey or "it is not fully understood"

let me be clear I'm not saying that it's impossible for the brain to have abnormalities that result in depression. but I think that this is very rare and not the case for the majority of depressed people

models like this one https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diathesis–stress_model agree with me. genes may affect your susceptibility but the ultimate cause of depression is the environment - it is not something people are typically born with

I think there's a pretty clear causal link at least in regards to inflammation, interferon treatment is known to cause depression, and otc anti-inflammatory drugs are known to be effective in the treatment of depression

 

[Vermilioncore]

If it's bad, me and @Vermilioncore were born with it.

It was with me in the womb

 

[Pendejo]

It was with me in the womb

Way before that, the load your father blew inside your mother already contained it

 

[thegoat]

provide evidence that depression has a significant genetic basis

ssris exist and work

Counter argument to the OP: Let's say you're depressed... there's always someone in a worse situation than you yet many of them arent depressed (e.g. being born in a mumbai slum), hence it cant be entirely environmental

 

[darkness97]

I don't think it is tbh - or at least it is extraordinarily rare

your typical "depression case" is almost entirely the result of environmental factors. muh brain chemicals bad is just an excuse for people finding little success in life - as far as I'm aware there is no substantive evidence supporting this

if depression was really caused by genetic imbalances in the brain then wouldn't the opposite of depression be relatively common? yet it doesn't seem to exist, strange

in summary: I don't think depression is a legitimate biological phenomenon and all it amounts to is stating I feel sad a lot on some official form

 

[TsarTsar444]

ssris exist and work

Counter argument to the OP: Let's say you're depressed... there's always someone in a worse situation than you yet many of them arent depressed (e.g. being born in a mumbai slum), hence it cant be entirely environmental

Ssri's are just placebo lolz, the actual anti depressants that work are MAOI's

 

[one job away]

I'm not denying that the symptoms of depression exist - that would be retarded

but I think the cause is mostly from the environment and not some inborn genetic factor that affects neurotransmitters

Idiotic take. Illness isn’t defined by the cause. Is a car not a car if it was 3D printed instead of manufactured??? Ontop of that most illness are due to environment.

 

[Harold O'brien]

Idiotic take. Illness isn’t defined by the cause. Is a car not a car if it was 3D printed instead of manufactured??? Ontop of that most illness are due to environment.

I never said it was

I have an illness right now called being annoyed at this stupid idiot bumping my old thread

 

[RealSurgerymax]

Just arbitrary lines drawn in the sand.

 

[EverythingCel133]

Its real.Are you going to deny Alzheimer,Parkinson and other horrible mental problems?Maybe even cancer? Klinefelter syndrome? All those are products of today's poisoning and inbalances just like Depression nowadays.Its possible for some people to feel more depressed and feel much less happy than others

 

[Deleted member 13787]

people confuse depression with sadness
i doubt there is a significant amout of people who are truly emotionless

 

[Deleted member 16970]

As real as any other feeling, temporary

 

[Anchor_Ship]

I had two instances where girls stopped talking to me for revealing my mental illness

 

[Deleted member 19896]

I had two instances where girls stopped talking to me for revealing my mental illness

should have said u were a dark triad psychopath girls love that shit

 

[Deleted member 19036]

I don't think it is tbh - or at least it is extraordi8narily rare

your typical "depression case" is almost entirely the result of environmental factors. muh brain chemicals bad is just an excuse for people finding little success in life - as far as I'm aware there is no substantive evidence supporting this

if depression was really caused by genetic imbalances in the brain then wouldn't the opposite of depression be relatively common? yet it doesn't seem to exist, strange

in summary: I don't think depression is a legitimate biological phenomenon and all it amounts to is stating I feel sad a lot on some official form

its real. either the person cant take shit and is a pussy (usually girls, eg; chadsexuality combined with lots of stuff) or he/she has bitch ass people around and gets abused (usually men). or rarely both. if its both in men, he usually goes er if he says fuck it

 

[Deleted member 3828]

g

 

[Deleted member 19036]

provide evidence that depression has a significant genetic basis

genetic only helps it to develop itself. depression is something like non specific ptsd.

 

[reborn]

I don't think it is tbh - or at least it is extraordinarily rare

your typical "depression case" is almost entirely the result of environmental factors. muh brain chemicals bad is just an excuse for people finding little success in life - as far as I'm aware there is no substantive evidence supporting this

if depression was really caused by genetic imbalances in the brain then wouldn't the opposite of depression be relatively common? yet it doesn't seem to exist, strange

in summary: I don't think depression is a legitimate biological phenomenon and all it amounts to is stating I feel sad a lot on some official form

I agree. Depression is mainly the result of having too much time to think about stuff and you are probably spending too much time alone.

 

[Deleted member 19036]

provide evidence that depression has a significant genetic basis

genetic only helps it to develop itself. depression is something like non specific ptsd.