Is evolution circular reasoning?

[Deleted member 65658]

Organisms reproducing for the sake of reproduction.

Anti natalists are retarded bc they base their arguments on morals/ethics but they might be correct in the aspect of evolution being a faulty mechanism, so not really worthwhile to carry on.

 

[Deleted member 52946]

english please

 

[Deleted member 65658]

english please

I don't really see the point in procreation

 

[6PSLcel]

I think past a certain point in an organism's evolution it has to implement eugenics

 

[Deleted member 65658]

I think past a certain point in an organism's evolution it has to implement eugenics

Eugenics for what, implies evolution/existence has a purpose beyond endless procreation (it doesn't)

 

[6PSLcel]

Eugenics for what, implies evolution/existence has a purpose beyond endless procreation (it doesn't)

the goal is to rule the universe, to harvest 51% of the universes energy, to be the best and the first more importantly requires we have the best genetics at all times

 

[Deleted member 42240]

I don't really see the point in procreation

ironic, you said anti natalists are retarded but here you say this...

 

[imabetanumale]

Organisms reproducing for the sake of reproduction.

Anti natalists are retarded bc they base their arguments on morals/ethics but they might be correct in the aspect of evolution being a faulty mechanism, so not really worthwhile to carry on.

its nature,its not bad or good,its just an accident that behaves like the butterfly effect

 

[Deleted member 65658]

ironic, you said anti natalists are retarded but here you say this...

well from a nihilistic pov it's a correct statement. procreation/not procreating are both 'pointless', but moreso what I'm trying to get at is civilisation or the human condition is intertwined with a purpose or an endgoal, prime example @<6PSLcel stating we should establish a eugenics program to conquer the universe or something benign like that - how does/can humanity continue to function on the basis of nihilism?

 

[6PSLcel]

well from a nihilistic pov it's a correct statement. procreation/not procreating are both 'pointless', but moreso what I'm trying to get at is civilisation or the human condition is intertwined with a purpose or an endgoal, prime example @<6PSLcel stating we should establish a eugenics program to conquer the universe or something benign like that

we need to harvest over 51% of the universes energy otherwise whatever out competition is, lets just call them space jews, if they get it first then they win and cuck us, after we do that we need to figure out how to stop the big chill or freeze whtvr, and if that isnt possible we need to figure out how to hop dimensions, because if we cant stop the former than we are on a time limit

 

[Deleted member 65658]

we need to harvest over 51% of the universes energy otherwise whatever out competition is, lets just call them space jews, if they get it first then they win and cuck us, after we do that we need to figure out how to stop the big chill or freeze whtvr, and if that isnt possible we need to figure out how to hop dimensions, because if we cant stop the former than we are on a time limit

stfu

 

[6PSLcel]

stfu

cry brainlet

 

[Deleted member 65658]

its nature,its not bad or good

water

its just an accident

it isnt

Perhaps nihilism is the 'great filter', I just don't see a way in which largely nihilistic (immutable fact btw) societies can function without perpetual infighting and self destruction

 

[Deleted member 65658]

water

it isnt

Perhaps nihilism is the 'great filter', I just don't see a way in which largely nihilistic (immutable fact btw) societies can function without perpetual infighting and self destruction

tagging the only sentient user on this forum @Harold O'brien, what's the solution for this or is it even an issue in the first place?

 

[imabetanumale]

water

it isnt

Perhaps nihilism is the 'great filter', I just don't see a way in which largely nihilistic (immutable fact btw) societies can function without perpetual infighting and self destruction

 

[Deleted member 65658]

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accident in what sense?

 

[Harold O'brien]

tagging the only sentient user on this forum @Harold O'brien, what's the solution for this or is it even an issue in the first place?

the solution to what?

i dont see evolution as circular reasoning, it's a trusim. things that make themselves continue to exist will continue to exist.

 

[Deleted member 65658]

the solution to what?

Perhaps nihilism is the 'great filter', I just don't see a way in which largely nihilistic (immutable fact btw) societies can function without perpetual infighting and self destruction

 

[Harold O'brien]

Perhaps nihilism is the 'great filter', I just don't see a way in which largely nihilistic (immutable fact btw) societies can function without perpetual infighting and self destruction

i think its possible

 

[Deleted member 57464]

evolution is a theory based on belif.

 

[Deleted member 53670]

Organisms reproducing for the sake of reproduction.

Anti natalists are retarded bc they base their arguments on morals/ethics but they might be correct in the aspect of evolution being a faulty mechanism, so not really worthwhile to carry on.

Every scientific theory is circular, it’s called Hume’s problem of induction. for an inductive proposition, the justification for it will typically bottom out in circularity, how science resolves circularity is by using falsifiable data.

That why you’ll never hear a scientist say a theory is proven or verified, it’s just accepted until science makes another break through and corrects the theory.

 

[Deleted member 65658]

i think its possible

in what way? societies function within frameworks, most people need a purpose or atleast enjoy working towards something they consider greater than themselves, whatever that may be. unveiling religion and replacing it with... nothing, seems like a disaster waiting to happen

nihilism makes sense but there's also a very good reason as to why it's synonymous with depressed genetic dead ends

 

[Harold O'brien]

in what way? societies function within frameworks, most people need a purpose or atleast enjoy working towards something they consider greater than themselves, whatever that may be. unveiling religion and replacing it with... nothing, seems like a disaster waiting to happen

nihilism makes sense but there's also a very good reason as to why it's synonymous with depressed genetic dead ends

to quote neil young 'Though my problems are meaningless, that don't make them go away'

people will still have biological drive to be better than other people and reproduce

 

[longjohnmong]

wut

organisms don't reproduce for any ultimate purpose. it's just the ones that are good at reproducing are the ones that happen to stick around and keep reproducing. evolution spits out organisms that don't want to reproduce too. it's just that they don't reproduce and then that's the end of those genes.

 

[Deleted member 65658]

people will still have biological drive to be better than other people and reproduce

correct, however this isn't a recipe for a functional society or one that makes any sort of progress; hence my point of inevitable self destruction/some form of handicap to civilisations

 

[imabetanumale]

Organisms reproducing for the sake of reproduction.

Anti natalists are retarded bc they base their arguments on morals/ethics but they might be correct in the aspect of evolution being a faulty mechanism, so not really worthwhile to carry on.

i dont understand the problem, i got IQ filtered by this one
but seems like the high IQ people came here and answered your question

 

[Harold O'brien]

correct, however this isn't a recipe for a functional society or one that makes any sort of progress; hence my point of inevitable self destruction/some form of handicap to civilisations

mechanism design -> capitalism

 

[Deleted member 65658]

mechanism design -> capitalism

elab

 

[vermillioncorefan]

if evolution is true then 99% of people were born to struggle because with no problems there is no evolution

 

[Harold O'brien]

elab

Free market incentivises individuals to contribute and form societal cohesion despite meaninglessness

 

[Deleted member 65658]

Free market incentivises individuals to contribute and form societal cohesion despite meaninglessness

systems based on merit are incompatible with widespread determinism/meaninglessness, only works in the short term if you're capable of deluding the population into the belief that they can alter their place on the social hierarchy and/or you somehow manage to convince people to be content with their failures and shortcomings

any fluctuations in terms of qol and inevitably losers will lash out and conclude their justified in doing so.

 

[RecessedChinCel]

Life has no purpose bro it’s just luck and circumstance