Is IQ a good way to measure intelligence?

[stiflerstiffy]

I often see people argue that IQ doesn’t mean shit and is a bad way to measure intelligence, but half the time these statements are made by people who got low on an IQ test and are coping. Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence? By saying that IQ tests (the best way of testing it in a standardised way we have created) don’t mean shit, how can we even measure intelligence, or classify people as ‘smart’? However, on the other hand, some people make IQ out to be this perfect measure of intelligence, refusing to acknowledge that a standardised test might miss out nuance, which isn’t correct either.

 

[Anthony111554]

 

[alurmo]

I often see people argue that IQ doesn’t mean shit and is a bad way to measure intelligence, but half the time these statements are made by people who got low on an IQ test and are coping. Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence? By saying that IQ tests (the best way of testing it in a standardised way we have created) don’t mean shit, how can we even measure intelligence, or classify people as ‘smart’? However, on the other hand, some people make IQ out to be this perfect measure of intelligence, refusing to acknowledge that a standardised test might miss out nuance, which isn’t correct either.

no

 

[KG4]

I often see people argue that IQ doesn’t mean shit and is a bad way to measure intelligence, but half the time these statements are made by people who got low on an IQ test and are coping. Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence? By saying that IQ tests (the best way of testing it in a standardised way we have created) don’t mean shit, how can we even measure intelligence, or classify people as ‘smart’? However, on the other hand, some people make IQ out to be this perfect measure of intelligence, refusing to acknowledge that a standardised test might miss out nuance, which isn’t correct either.

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

 

[hypernormie]

Yes they are a good way of measuring intelligence

When people say IQ doesn't mean shit they are just coping. If you actually press them further you will find their arguments are generally laden with inconsistencies and contradictions, or they haven't ever actually researched the topic themselves and are just repeating what they've heard others say. People like to shoot off the quip "IQ doesn't matter" because it's uncomfortable for them to acknowledge implications of it mattering.

Even in places where IQ is the primary focus like academia, communities based on psychometric research, government bodies who oversee education, etc., You will have many people who outright deny it's existence and downplay it's impact.

This may however just be a Western thing. Blank slate egalitarianism in the West makes acknowledging inherent group differences a cardinal sin. In a place like China where your future relies so heavily on your academic performance this may not be so controversial.

 

[Rick_bozo]

Is height good way to measure how tall person are?

 

[Jason Voorhees]

It is a good method of measuring how quickly you'll learn something or pick up patterns naturally. But someone with average IQ with experience and effort can still beat you easily.

 

[jl25]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

no you don’t

this is just an example of low iq people coping

you’re just dumb

 

[KG4]

no you don’t

this is just an example of low iq people coping

you’re just dumb

no im not, i have emotional intelligence, i understand everyone emotionally, if you were somwhat smart you would understand me, low iq nigger

 

[jl25]

low iq nigger

alright buddy

put the damn phone down

 

[stiflerstiffy]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

Tales from the back of the class

 

[KG4]

Tales from the back of the class

i was baiting to see if anyone will catch the bait and holy fuck i cant belive not only that 2 niggas catched it but also a grey trying to fit in, holyy dopaminemaxxing

 

[stiflerstiffy]

i was baiting to see if anyone will catch the bait and holy fuck i cant belive not only that 2 niggas catched it but also a grey trying to fit in, holyy dopaminemaxxing

nigga just hit blue and has less rep than posts JFL

 

[KG4]

nigga just hit blue JFL

whatever bro, ''just''

 

[dragons6422]

I think IQ is too broad. I believe true intelligence is a spectrum of self awareness levels. If you’re able to be completely honest with yourself and observe your own underlying psychology, you are in my book S tier intelligence.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

No one really denies IQ and it's relation with g factor. The pushback from that crowd is generally not denying its existence but about over interpretation because in complex real life effort, experience, specialist skills and environment all come into the picture and skew the results. High IQ is just an accelerator that's it.

 

[navagraha]

IQ tests are reliable if your subscores don't majority deviate. This is because of the general IQ score just being the average of these subscores, and these subscores measure specific aspects that contribute to intelligence. So if your scores significantly deviate, the test is not accounting for parts of your intelligence. But psychologist already account for this. They will tell you if the test is representative or not.

I myself I have a near 50 point deivation across my scores, so my scores weren't generalizable. You would think I am crazily ND due to that, but just I'm mild sperg despite that. I scored 125 fluid and verbal intelligence, but 78 for working memory and i think i remember 93 for processing speed.

 

[hypernormie]

I think IQ is too broad. I believe true intelligence is a spectrum of self awareness levels. If you’re able to be completely honest with yourself and observe your own underlying psychology, you are in my book S tier intelligence.

Self-awareness is very underrated.

Many incredibly intelligent people somehow completely lack self-awareness

You see it frequently in subs like r/cogntitivetesting where someone will score significantly above average yet display very low self-awareness

However iirc there is a positive correlation between intelligence and self-awareness, but it's clearly not a 1:1 relationship

It's almost difficult to say an intelligent person with low self awareness is smart because they will often make very dumb decisions but it's important to seperate raw problem solving ability (IQ) with the ability to be aware of what problems are worth solving (self-awareness)

Someone with a lower total cognitive ability can be much more effective in achieving fulfillment than a "smarter" person if they have greater self-awareness. Despite having less overall brain power, they will have a better map of what they value and spend more effort solving problems relevant to their needs, leading to greater total overall life satisfaction in practice. It's difficult to argue that isn't a significant aspect of intelligence.

 

[dragons6422]

Self-awareness is very underrated.

Many incredibly intelligent people somehow completely lack self-awareness

You see it frequently in subs like r/cogntitivetesting where someone will score significantly above average yet display very low self-awareness

However iirc there is a positive correlation between intelligence and self-awareness, but it's clearly not a 1:1 relationship

It's almost difficult to say an intelligent person with low self awareness is smart because they will often make very dumb decisions but it's important to seperate raw problem solving ability (IQ) with the ability to be aware of what problems are worth solving (self-awareness)

Someone with a lower total cognitive ability can be much more effective in achieving fulfillment than a "smarter" person if they have greater self-awareness. Despite having less overall brain power, they will have a better map of what they value and spend more effort solving problems relevant to their needs, leading to greater total overall life satisfaction in practice. It's difficult to argue that isn't a significant aspect of intelligence.

Beep boop

 

[hypernormie]

Beep boop

?

 

[faxilla]

i define intelligence as curiosity coupled with the ability to do what you truely want and get what you want out of life

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence?

That's a solid question, and I don't think there is a solid answer

But what is IQ? Personally, I think it measures your mental fit to western society. That's why brown people can have retard-tier IQs, but function just fine. They are a better fit to a different society

My guess is that it measures attention. You do well on the tests because you're focused on them. That's why the nips mog everyone on them.

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

Mods, this guy is clearly a foid

 

[Hess]

IQ is reliable and it matches with income iirc but ofc there are outliers like 130+ IQ ppl being so autistic they arent able to interact with normies and thus get dealt a shit hand unless they hyper focus on their career

 

[Hess]

That's a solid question, and I don't think there is a solid answer

But what is IQ? Personally, I think it measures your mental fit to western society. That's why brown people can have retard-tier IQs, but function just fine. They are a better fit to a different society

My guess is that it measures attention. You do well on the tests because you're focused on them. That's why the nips mog everyone on them.

IQ mostly measures your problem solving abilities and the ability to figure out patterns and all that, if you go through IQ tests like the mensa ones they are very abstract and designed in a way that even a 5 year old could understand how the test works instinctively, its not a cultural thing IMO

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

its not a cultural thing IMO

I agree with that, in that IQ isn't developed by your culture. But IQ tests do *predict* how well you fit a particular that was created by people who are removed from other populations by 10s of thousands of years of evolution.

 

[jimmymogs]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

This is the funniest shit I’ve read all day.
I might be retarded cause I’m still debating whether this is satirical or not .
Niggas be getting 82's talking about emotional intelligence

 

[Hess]

I agree with that, in that IQ isn't developed by your culture. But IQ tests do *predict* how well you fit a particular that was created by people who are removed from other populations by 10s of thousands of years of evolution.

It rly depends on the IQ test tbh, i forgot the link but I remember there being a study of IQ correlating well with income with the higher iq you are meaning the more likely you are in higher paying jobs or specialized jobs that require you to be smart, but then again IQ is a theory of mind and as all theories its not always going to be 100 percent correct

 

[JOTAROSON]

Я часто слышу, как люди утверждают, что IQ ничего не значит и является плохим способом измерения интеллекта, но в половине случаев эти заявления делают люди, получившие низкие баллы на тесте IQ и справляющиеся с ситуацией. Однако, если это правда, то что вообще такое интеллект? Утверждая, что тесты IQ (лучший из созданных нами стандартизированных способов его проверки) ничего не значат, как мы вообще можем измерять интеллект или классифицировать людей как «умных»? С другой стороны, некоторые люди представляют IQ как идеальный показатель интеллекта, отказываясь признать, что стандартизированный тест может упускать нюансы, что тоже неверно.

Of course not

 

[centuryformillenia]

I often see people argue that IQ doesn’t mean shit and is a bad way to measure intelligence, but half the time these statements are made by people who got low on an IQ test and are coping. Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence? By saying that IQ tests (the best way of testing it in a standardised way we have created) don’t mean shit, how can we even measure intelligence, or classify people as ‘smart’? However, on the other hand, some people make IQ out to be this perfect measure of intelligence, refusing to acknowledge that a standardised test might miss out nuance, which isn’t correct either.

IQ ( intelligence quotient ) def is a valuable way and people saying it isn’t are coping there are countless studies on it and researchers finding new ways to test it if it was invalid people wouldn’t use it but that doesn’t mean ur automatically retarded think of it being like your a leader and your country ( think Roman era ) is going to war how would you plan strategies

obviously there are other forms of intelligence people can have ( eg emotional* ) but that’s mostly for understanding a woman’s heart

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

It rly depends on the IQ test tbh, i forgot the link but I remember there being a study of IQ correlating well with income with the higher iq you are meaning the more likely you are in higher paying jobs or specialized jobs that require you to be smart, but then again IQ is a theory of mind and as all theories its not always going to be 100 percent correct

That's why I made sure to highlight the word predict. Because it's a predictor, not a measure

 

[FoidAnnihilator1]

I often see people argue that IQ doesn’t mean shit and is a bad way to measure intelligence, but half the time these statements are made by people who got low on an IQ test and are coping. Yet, if that’s true, then what even is intelligence? By saying that IQ tests (the best way of testing it in a standardised way we have created) don’t mean shit, how can we even measure intelligence, or classify people as ‘smart’? However, on the other hand, some people make IQ out to be this perfect measure of intelligence, refusing to acknowledge that a standardised test might miss out nuance, which isn’t correct either.

its not a good measure of intelligence, but it's the best one we have. if people really say that iq means nothing then theyre clearly just stupid

 

[estrogen consumer]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

Lmfao 82 is insane
What test did you take
Try mensas

 

[EvilSatanArseRapist]

its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

You sound fucking retarded tbh

You will have many people who outright deny it's existence and downplay it's impact.

"Muh pseudoscience"

with average IQ with experience and effort can still beat you easily.

Well, struggle sometimes equalizes something..
i wouldn't have put that "easily" in ther tho.

no you don’t

this is just an example of low iq people coping

you’re just dumb

+

I think IQ is too broad. I believe true intelligence is a spectrum of self awareness levels. If you’re able to be completely honest with yourself and observe your own underlying psychology, you are in my book S tier intelligence.

I'd differ, but i get what you mean.
Intelliegnce to me is the capacity to make deductions, recognize patterns, understand causal chains and so on and so forth..

I think this leads to a greater awareness and to a better processing of what you observe.. therefore what you jjst described is a consequence of intelligence, not intelligence itself.

 

[ngannou]

To a certain extent yes

but from certain threshold no.

The correlation between creativity and IQ is 0.4 which is credible

but not that high.

Most of the people who claim iq of 150 160 170 180 extremely high shows lack of ingenuity or deep insight when

they enter the actual math, science or research field where "real" geniuses

who leave there name in history come like einstein, newton, nicola tesla, euler, davinci....etc

But until range of 130-140 yes it is a good indicator of intelligence

Lmfao 82 is insane
What test did you take
Try mensas

its not a good measure of intelligence, but it's the best one we have. if people really say that iq means nothing then theyre clearly just stupid

That's why I made sure to highlight the word predict. Because it's a predictor, not a measure

IQ ( intelligence quotient ) def is a valuable way and people saying it isn’t are coping there are countless studies on it and researchers finding new ways to test it if it was invalid people wouldn’t use it but that doesn’t mean ur automatically retarded think of it being like your a leader and your country ( think Roman era ) is going to war how would you plan strategies

obviously there are other forms of intelligence people can have ( eg emotional* ) but that’s mostly for understanding a woman’s heart

Of course not

It rly depends on the IQ test tbh, i forgot the link but I remember there being a study of IQ correlating well with income with the higher iq you are meaning the more likely you are in higher paying jobs or specialized jobs that require you to be smart, but then again IQ is a theory of mind and as all theories its not always going to be 100 percent correct

This is the funniest shit I’ve read all day.
I might be retarded cause I’m still debating whether this is satirical or not .
Niggas be getting 82's talking about emotional intelligence

No one really denies IQ and it's relation with g factor. The pushback from that crowd is generally not denying its existence but about over interpretation because in complex real life effort, experience, specialist skills and environment all come into the picture and skew the results. High IQ is just an accelerator that's it.

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its not a good way to measure intelliegnce, explanation below

i got 82 iq on an iq test, literraly impossible and not accurate however im a smarter indivual than all of my irl friends combined, i feel like emotional intelligence is a good way to measure it, for example, i have it.

Is height good way to measure how tall person are?

no you don’t

this is just an example of low iq people coping

you’re just dumb

IQ tests are reliable if your subscores don't majority deviate. This is because of the general IQ score just being the average of these subscores, and these subscores measure specific aspects that contribute to intelligence. So if your scores significantly deviate, the test is not accounting for parts of your intelligence. But psychologist already account for this. They will tell you if the test is representative or not.

I myself I have a near 50 point deivation across my scores, so my scores weren't generalizable. You would think I am crazily ND due to that, but just I'm mild sperg despite that. I scored 125 fluid and verbal intelligence, but 78 for working memory and i think i remember 93 for processing speed.

IQ tests are reliable if your subscores don't majority deviate. This is because of the general IQ score just being the average of these subscores, and these subscores measure specific aspects that contribute to intelligence. So if your scores significantly deviate, the test is not accounting for parts of your intelligence. But psychologist already account for this. They will tell you if the test is representative or not.

I myself I have a near 50 point deivation across my scores, so my scores weren't generalizable. You would think I am crazily ND due to that, but just I'm mild sperg despite that. I scored 125 fluid and verbal intelligence, but 78 for working memory and i think i remember 93 for processing speed.

Tales from the back of the class

i define intelligence as curiosity coupled with the ability to do what you truely want and get what you want out of life

You sound fucking retarded tbh

"Muh pseudoscience"

Well, struggle sometimes equalizes something..
i wouldn't have put that "easily" in ther tho.

+

I'd differ, but i get what you mean.
Intelliegnce to me is the capacity to make deductions, recognize patterns, understand causal chains and so on and so forth..

I think this leads to a greater awareness and to a better processing of what you observe.. therefore what you jjst described is a consequence of intelligence, not intelligence itself.

 

[estrogen consumer]

To a certain extent yes

but from certain threshold no.

The correlation between creativity and IQ is 0.4 which is credible

but not that high.

Most of the people who claim iq of 150 160 170 180 extremely high shows lack of ingenuity or deep insight when

they enter the actual math, science or research field where "real" geniuses

who leave there name in history come like einstein, newton, nicola tesla, euler, davinci....etc

But until range of 130-140 yes it is a good indicator of intelligence
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Nigga replied to every message
Holy rep farm

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

The correlation between creativity and IQ is 0.4 which is credible

Creativity isn't a well fleshed out variable at this point. In fact, our tests are pretty gay

 

[Jason Voorhees]

Well, struggle sometimes equalizes something..
i wouldn't have put that "easily" in ther tho.

There was experiment I read about from a reddit user they let a student who was high IQ. Don't remember the exact number took a college level math test against a math professor who was tested to be lower IQ but with 8 years of experience. The professor beat the high IQ student every single time even if the student was given time to prepare and understand the concepts. The professor finished the test in 3/4th time and almost always got a perfect score.

 

[Jason Voorhees]

There was experiment I read about from a reddit user they let a student who was high IQ. Don't remember the exact number took a college level math test against a math professor who was tested to be lower IQ but with 8 years of experience. The professor beat the high IQ student every single time even if the student was given time to prepare and understand the concepts. The professor finished the test in 3/4th time and almost always got a perfect score.

@imontheloose

 

[KG4]

You sound fucking retarded tbh

"Muh pseudoscience"

Well, struggle sometimes equalizes something..
i wouldn't have put that "easily" in ther tho.

+

I'd differ, but i get what you mean.
Intelliegnce to me is the capacity to make deductions, recognize patterns, understand causal chains and so on and so forth..

I think this leads to a greater awareness and to a better processing of what you observe.. therefore what you jjst described is a consequence of intelligence, not intelligence itself.

you catched the bait nigger, its obvious that i wasnt serious

 

[KG4]

Lmfao 82 is insane
What test did you take
Try mensas

i typed it in a retarded way and i thought people wouldnt take that seriously

 

[KG4]

This is the funniest shit I’ve read all day.
I might be retarded cause I’m still debating whether this is satirical or not .
Niggas be getting 82's talking about emotional intelligence

thanks bhai, it was supposed to be funny

 

[KG4]

Mods, this guy is clearly a foid

no, that was a sarcastical shit post

 

[puniteking]

Bro it’s 9am in the morning ?

 

[theonewhocantascend]

Only niggers deny that.
But Muh High IQ is cope though, retarded Chad is the ideal existence.

I can’t think of a shittier lifetime than the one of a High IQ normie like me.

 

[hypernormie]

There was experiment I read about from a reddit user they let a student who was high IQ. Don't remember the exact number took a college level math test against a math professor who was tested to be lower IQ but with 8 years of experience. The professor beat the high IQ student every single time even if the student was given time to prepare and understand the concepts. The professor finished the test in 3/4th time and almost always got a perfect score.

Crystallized intelligence in a specialized domain will always beat fluid intelligence

This is not controversial and is well understood to be the likely outcome of such an experiment

But fluid intelligence is not about who can be better at a task one person has practiced at, it's who can be better at a task both people are experiencing for the first time

I made multiple posts about chess which are relevant here.

Peak chess is less about fluid intelligence than crystallized recognition and that drastically impacts how much intelligence is actually being taxed during high level play

So in a game of chess you would generally always expect the more experienced player to win even if they are less intelligent

However other games like Element or The Duke would load much higher on fluid intelligence because they contain an element of randomness that negates crystalized pattern recognition

So in games like these you would expect a higher IQ person to dominate a lower IQ person

 

[bourgeoizyzz]

no, that was a sarcastical shit post

ban her

 

[faxilla]

To a certain extent yes

but from certain threshold no.

The correlation between creativity and IQ is 0.4 which is credible

but not that high.

Most of the people who claim iq of 150 160 170 180 extremely high shows lack of ingenuity or deep insight when

they enter the actual math, science or research field where "real" geniuses

who leave there name in history come like einstein, newton, nicola tesla, euler, davinci....etc

But until range of 130-140 yes it is a good indicator of intelligence
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I said my definition of intelligence is that, ive come across a lot of very intelligent people and also a lot of intelligent lazy people and that is the definition i have personally decided for it.

 

[KG4]

ban her

alright, this is baiting

 

[1966Ford]

Yup