Is Islam a religion of violence ?

[Deleted member 24278]

The Quran states that all non Muslims are going to hell and that all non Muslims shall be killed, brutal and I thought about visiting a mosque, I need Jesus the son of God to protect me

 

[flippasav]

U have muslim Tate in ur av

 

[Deleted member 24278]

U have muslim Tate in ur av

That's one thing I disagree with Tate, I believe Jesus existed and I don't believe there are virgins in heaven

 

[flippasav]

That's one thing I disagree with Tate, I believe Jesus existed and I don't believe there are virgins in heaven

He is still Muslim mate

 

[Alton]

The Quran states that all non Muslims are going to hell and that all non Muslims shall be killed, brutal and I thought about visiting a mosque, I need Jesus the son of God to protect me

Islam does not state that non-Muslims are going to hell. I can elaborate if needed.

 

[Deleted member 24278]

Islam does not state that non-Muslims are going to hell. I can elaborate if needed.

Please do, also elaborate on the part that states all non Muslims shall be tortured or killed

 

[Deleted member 18544]

Islam does not state that non-Muslims are going to hell.

Yes it does.

 

[The Grinch]

Please do, also elaborate on the part that states all non Muslims shall be tortured or killed

That’s what the Bible says about non Christian’s. Ever heard of the fire lake ? It’s not a wellness pool, in care you didn’t know

 

[Alton]

Yes it does.

How so, esteemed delegate?

 

[Deleted member 18544]

How so, esteemed delegate?

You already know, there's no need to play stupid.

 

[Deleted member 24278]

That’s what the Bible says about non Christian’s. Ever heard of the fire lake ? It’s not a wellness pool, in care you didn’t know

About sinners who don't repent, but everyone is welcome to heaven, even those who don't believe

 

[Deleted member 27772]

That's one thing I disagree with Tate, I believe Jesus existed and I don't believe there are virgins in heaven

Muslims believe jesus existed to them he was the last prophet before muhammad but he wasnt the son of god and he wasnt crucified

 

[Alton]

You already know, there's no need to play stupid.

Please provide evidence to reinforce your claim(s).

 

[BrendioEEE]

That’s what the Bible says about non Christian’s. Ever heard of the fire lake ? It’s not a wellness pool, in care you didn’t know

You will be confronted with your sins even when you die, you will have ample opportunity to feel genuine remorse for your sins, if you feel no remorse, or feel like you've done nothing wrong, or are simply scared of going to hell, then you will go to hell. You must want genuine forgiveness and guilt for your actions, this is why many Jews and Satanists (same thing lol) will be burning in hell for their actions, they will only feel fear of hell, merely asking for forgiveness isn't enough.

 

[The Grinch]

You will be confronted with your sins even when you die, you will have ample opportunity to feel genuine remorse for your sins, if you feel no remorse, or feel like you've done nothing wrong, or are simply scared of going to hell, then you will go to hell. You must want genuine forgiveness and guilt for your actions, this is why many Jews and Satanists (same thing lol) will be burning in hell for their actions, they will only feel fear of hell, merely asking for forgiveness isn't enough.

That’s a very logical perspective. If I was god, I wouldn’t want someone to obey me because he fears hell, but because he respects my authority, but take hell away any even most. christians won’t even give a shit about their religious rules anymore

 

[RAITEIII]

About sinners who don't repent, but everyone is welcome to heaven, even those who don't believe

Just do whatever the fuck you want and then repent theory

 

[Deleted member 21735]

jesus said the same about non christians too

 

[Deleted member 27066]

jesus said the same about non christians too

When

 

[Deleted member 24278]

Jews and Satanists (same thing lol) will be burning in hell for their actions, they will only feel fear of hell, merely asking for forgiveness isn't enough.

The Jews can't go a thread without getting roasted jfl

 

[Deleted member 21735]

When

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

 

[Deleted member 27066]

But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me.

Thats a parable

 

[Deleted member 21735]

Thats a parable

parables are a way of telling things

 

[Deleted member 27066]

parables are a way of telling things

Its about pharisees who Saw him perform miracles and still killed him. He's telling he Will return (revelations) and kill evil. Its fair.

 

[Alton]

Please do, also elaborate on the part that states all non Muslims shall be tortured or killed

Firstly, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to elaborate upon the false notion that the "Quran states that all non-Muslims shall be tortured or killed". Secondly, it is incumbent that one must read the Quran in an authentic, genuine translation that is accepted by all major Islamic institutions, and be cognizant of the vast intricacies and adequacies - whether it be metaphorically or literally (and respect to context as well):

For reference, I will be showing verses with their chapter and verse number chronologically (for further clarity):

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out.

Full context:

{2:190} and fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

{2:192} But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

{2:193} and fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Quite clearly the verses above are within the context of a defensive war. Verse 190 states that the fight is against those who started a fight with the Muslims. Verse 191 points out that these people drove the Muslims out of their homes. Verse 193 says that there should be no hostility if the enemy stops the attack and only oppressors deserve a hostile approach.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:65} O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

Context:

{8:61} and if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:39} and fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Context:

The verse above states that if the enemies desist then there is no more fighting. This is a clear indication that its context is war and that the fight was defensive in nature because the enemy started the attack/persecution otherwise the words "if they desist" wouldn't be used. Another verse in the Quran with a similar meaning: {2:193} And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Misrepresented verse​

{9:5} …. slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,

Context:

A group of idolaters broke a peaceful agreement with the Muslims. Surah Nine (Tawbah) is thought to be a continuation of Surah Eight (Anfal),{8:56} Those with whom you make an agreement, then they break their agreement every time and they do not guard (against punishment).

This group of idolaters had a history of viscously persecuting the Muslims, they attacked the Muslims first. The verse 9:5 only refers to this specific group because the previous verses in the Surah state that a punishment was announced to this certain group and the other idolaters who did not break the treaty were not to be attacked:

{9:3} And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

{9:4} Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

And even those who broke the treaty were given a chance to have peace and asylum with Muslims in safety:

{9:6} And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

The behavior of the idolaters who broke the treaty is described in the following verse:

{9:13} What! Will you not fight a people, who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

We haven't presented the full context of verse 9:5 and would advise people to read the Surah for themselves.

Misrepresented verse​

{Yusufali 9:29} Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

That verse talks of the Jizyah tax that had to be paid to the Islamic government. A large rebellious group refused to pay that minimal tax. Everyone has to pay a tax, even Muslims have to pay taxes. A government has a duty to look after the citizens and the citizens must pay the taxes to allow a government to function with a budget. The Jizyah tax is not for Muslims. The Muslims pay other types of taxes that non-Muslims don't have to pay. The Jizyah tax is for those non-Muslims who are exempt from joining the army of the state. This tax is substitute for their non-involvement in the army. Citizens cannot refuse to pay a tax if they are deriving all the benefits from a government including a protecting army. In early Islam non-Muslims who served in the army did not have to pay the Jizyah. In any case the Jizyah was less than the amount in taxes that the Muslims paid. The historical context of the verse should not be ignored.

Misrepresented verse​

{4:89} … then seize them and kill them wherever you find them,

Context:

{4:90} Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

 

[Deleted member 21735]

Its about pharisees who Saw him perform miracles and still killed him. He's telling he Will return (revelations) and kill evil. Its fair.

did you ask him personally?

 

[Deleted member 23772]

While i dont believe in Islam, it can be used a a tool to mass control people and turning them to loyal worshippers if a war breaks out

 

[Deleted member 26054]

That’s what the Bible says about non Christian’s. Ever heard of the fire lake ? It’s not a wellness pool, in care you didn’t know

Hell is a place of eternal torment, with no communion with God. It is where your sins become actualized. It's spiritual rather than physical, those who are in hell face a second death.

 

[Deleted member 27066]

did you ask him personally?

A King gets rejected by his people and them comes back and punishes them. Its not rocket science dude

 

[Deleted member 24278]

Firstly, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to elaborate upon the false notion that the "Quran states that all non-Muslims shall be tortured or killed". Secondly, it is incumbent that one must read the Quran in an authentic, genuine translation that is accepted by all major Islamic institutions, and be cognizant of the vast intricacies and adequacies - whether it be metaphorically or literally (and respect to context as well):

For reference, I will be showing verses with their chapter and verse number chronologically (for further clarity):

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out.

Full context:

{2:190} and fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

{2:192} But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

{2:193} and fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Quite clearly the verses above are within the context of a defensive war. Verse 190 states that the fight is against those who started a fight with the Muslims. Verse 191 points out that these people drove the Muslims out of their homes. Verse 193 says that there should be no hostility if the enemy stops the attack and only oppressors deserve a hostile approach.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:65} O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

Context:

{8:61} and if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:39} and fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Context:

The verse above states that if the enemies desist then there is no more fighting. This is a clear indication that its context is war and that the fight was defensive in nature because the enemy started the attack/persecution otherwise the words "if they desist" wouldn't be used. Another verse in the Quran with a similar meaning: {2:193} And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Misrepresented verse​

{9:5} …. slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,

Context:

A group of idolaters broke a peaceful agreement with the Muslims. Surah Nine (Tawbah) is thought to be a continuation of Surah Eight (Anfal),{8:56} Those with whom you make an agreement, then they break their agreement every time and they do not guard (against punishment).

This group of idolaters had a history of viscously persecuting the Muslims, they attacked the Muslims first. The verse 9:5 only refers to this specific group because the previous verses in the Surah state that a punishment was announced to this certain group and the other idolaters who did not break the treaty were not to be attacked:

{9:3} And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

{9:4} Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

And even those who broke the treaty were given a chance to have peace and asylum with Muslims in safety:

{9:6} And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

The behavior of the idolaters who broke the treaty is described in the following verse:

{9:13} What! Will you not fight a people, who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

We haven't presented the full context of verse 9:5 and would advise people to read the Surah for themselves.

Misrepresented verse​

{Yusufali 9:29} Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

That verse talks of the Jizyah tax that had to be paid to the Islamic government. A large rebellious group refused to pay that minimal tax. Everyone has to pay a tax, even Muslims have to pay taxes. A government has a duty to look after the citizens and the citizens must pay the taxes to allow a government to function with a budget. The Jizyah tax is not for Muslims. The Muslims pay other types of taxes that non-Muslims don't have to pay. The Jizyah tax is for those non-Muslims who are exempt from joining the army of the state. This tax is substitute for their non-involvement in the army. Citizens cannot refuse to pay a tax if they are deriving all the benefits from a government including a protecting army. In early Islam non-Muslims who served in the army did not have to pay the Jizyah. In any case the Jizyah was less than the amount in taxes that the Muslims paid. The historical context of the verse should not be ignored.

Misrepresented verse​

{4:89} … then seize them and kill them wherever you find them,

Context:

{4:90} Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

Wow this is legendary Muslim lore, thanks

 

[The Grinch]

A King gets rejected by his people and them comes back and punishes them. Its not rocket science dude

When will you take revenge on women for rejecting you?

 

[Deleted member 27066]

When will you take revenge on women for rejecting you?

I actually never got rejected. Still seething for bbcs? Get a life kebabcel

 

[Alton]

Wow this is legendary Muslim lore, thanks

My pleasure, esteemed delegate! Similarly, I can go into ornate detail if needed.

 

[The Grinch]

I actually never got rejected.

 

[Deleted member 24278]

My pleasure, esteemed delegate! Similarly, I can go into ornate detail if needed.

Not for now but thank you brocel, comment of the year indeed

 

[Geoff2024]

You already know, there's no need to play stupid.

Cite the verse that state all non muslims shall be killed i am waiting

 

[Deleted member 18544]

Cite the verse that state all non muslims shall be killed i am waiting

Seems that you are illiterate like your prophet and didn't see what I was replying to.

 

[_MVP_]

Yes, ITS a saiyan-like barbarian oozaru religion

 

[Geoff2024]

Firstly, I would like to thank you for giving me this opportunity to elaborate upon the false notion that the "Quran states that all non-Muslims shall be tortured or killed". Secondly, it is incumbent that one must read the Quran in an authentic, genuine translation that is accepted by all major Islamic institutions, and be cognizant of the vast intricacies and adequacies - whether it be metaphorically or literally (and respect to context as well):

For reference, I will be showing verses with their chapter and verse number chronologically (for further clarity):

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out.

Full context:

{2:190} and fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.

{2:191} and kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

{2:192} But if they desist, then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

{2:193} and fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Quite clearly the verses above are within the context of a defensive war. Verse 190 states that the fight is against those who started a fight with the Muslims. Verse 191 points out that these people drove the Muslims out of their homes. Verse 193 says that there should be no hostility if the enemy stops the attack and only oppressors deserve a hostile approach.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:65} O Prophet! Urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.

Context:

{8:61} and if they incline to peace, then incline to it and trust in Allah; surely He is the Hearing, the Knowing.

Misrepresented verse​

{8:39} and fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do.

Context:

The verse above states that if the enemies desist then there is no more fighting. This is a clear indication that its context is war and that the fight was defensive in nature because the enemy started the attack/persecution otherwise the words "if they desist" wouldn't be used. Another verse in the Quran with a similar meaning: {2:193} And fight with them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the oppressors.

Misrepresented verse​

{9:5} …. slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush,

Context:

A group of idolaters broke a peaceful agreement with the Muslims. Surah Nine (Tawbah) is thought to be a continuation of Surah Eight (Anfal),{8:56} Those with whom you make an agreement, then they break their agreement every time and they do not guard (against punishment).

This group of idolaters had a history of viscously persecuting the Muslims, they attacked the Muslims first. The verse 9:5 only refers to this specific group because the previous verses in the Surah state that a punishment was announced to this certain group and the other idolaters who did not break the treaty were not to be attacked:

{9:3} And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters; therefore if you repent, it will be better for you, and if you turn back, then know that you will not weaken Allah; and announce painful punishment to those who disbelieve.

{9:4} Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty).

And even those who broke the treaty were given a chance to have peace and asylum with Muslims in safety:

{9:6} And if one of the idolaters seek protection from you, grant him protection till he hears the word of Allah, then make him attain his place of safety; this is because they are a people who do not know.

The behavior of the idolaters who broke the treaty is described in the following verse:

{9:13} What! Will you not fight a people, who broke their oaths and aimed at the expulsion of the Messenger, and they attacked you first; do you fear them? But Allah is most deserving that you should fear Him, if you are believers.

We haven't presented the full context of verse 9:5 and would advise people to read the Surah for themselves.

Misrepresented verse​

{Yusufali 9:29} Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued

That verse talks of the Jizyah tax that had to be paid to the Islamic government. A large rebellious group refused to pay that minimal tax. Everyone has to pay a tax, even Muslims have to pay taxes. A government has a duty to look after the citizens and the citizens must pay the taxes to allow a government to function with a budget. The Jizyah tax is not for Muslims. The Muslims pay other types of taxes that non-Muslims don't have to pay. The Jizyah tax is for those non-Muslims who are exempt from joining the army of the state. This tax is substitute for their non-involvement in the army. Citizens cannot refuse to pay a tax if they are deriving all the benefits from a government including a protecting army. In early Islam non-Muslims who served in the army did not have to pay the Jizyah. In any case the Jizyah was less than the amount in taxes that the Muslims paid. The historical context of the verse should not be ignored.

Misrepresented verse​

{4:89} … then seize them and kill them wherever you find them,

Context:

{4:90} Except those who reach a people between whom and you there is an alliance, or who come to you, their hearts shrinking from fighting you or fighting their own people; and if Allah had pleased, He would have given them power over you, so that they should have certainly fought you; therefore if they withdraw from you and do not fight you and offer you peace, then Allah has not given you a way against them.

You already know, there's no need to play stupid.

Here is your answer dumbass

 

[Deleted member 18544]

Here is your answer dumbass

As I said, it seems that you are illiterate and did not see what I was replying to.

 

[Geoff2024]

Seems that you are illiterate like your prophet and didn't see what I was replying to.

Stop deflecting you fucktard, you stated in your comment that Muslims are told to kill non Muslims with 0 proof like the retarded hooligan you are. But when someone provides you with proof you are silent like a dog.

 

[Deleted member 18544]

Stop deflecting you fucktard, you stated in your comment that Muslims are told to kill non Muslims

Are all muslims schizophrenic?

 

[Geoff2024]

As I said, it seems that you are illiterate and did not see what I was replying to.

OK where does it state that all non Muslims will go to hell. It literally states that the people of the book aka Christians and Jews who are still on the right way will also go to heaven. Dumbass

 

[Geoff2024]

Are all muslims schizophrenic?
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Yeah ok fair enough that was retarded from me, but even then your point is wrong.

 

[_MVP_]

 

[Alton]

Are all muslims schizophrenic?
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My sincerest apologies, fellow. Lately, my cognition has been swiftly plummeting due to "thugmaxxing" and being in "THE KNOW" (alongside talking to factory owners).

 

[Alton]

My sincerest apologies, fellow. Lately, my cognition has been swiftly plummeting due to "thugmaxxing" and being in "THE KNOW" (alongside talking to factory owners).

@anoright

WTF man... Are you going to persist in bullying ethnics like @Iasacrko and me? I thought we were "friends"!

 

[Deleted member 18544]

@anoright

WTF man... Are you going to persist in bullying ethnics like @Iasacrko and me?

Yes

 

[Alton]

Yes

Thank you for your candor, sir; additionally, what are your thoughts on ethnic people with colored eyes? I was just wondering as my Turkish father's side has some individuals with green eyes (like my grandfather and one aunt), whereas another relative of mine possesses grey eyes (my other aunt). Once again, thank you for your time, fellow.

 

[Deleted member 27066]

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Thats getting avoided. Also another kebabcel Who thinks its a slayer but rots here like everybody else.

 

[human304]

The Quran states that all non Muslims are going to hell and that all non Muslims shall be killed, brutal and I thought about visiting a mosque, I need Jesus the son of God to protect me

read about the verses about hijab, war booty.

Also read the hadiths on sex slaves, how adoption is haram, how you can marry your adopted daughter.